Legend of the Sea Devils

[0:00]

Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody Into Terror, the only Doctor Who flash cast that really thinks you're a great listener, but is mysteriously reluctant to take things any further.

I'm Nathan.

I'm Brendan.

I'm Todd, and I'm a frilled latex neck ribbed denouement talking out of the side of my mask for this one.

Anything to see, devil, if you're brave enough.

That's right.

That's what we've always said.

Now, we have just watched Legend of the Sea Devils, which screened for the 1st time mere hours ago, by Ella Road and Chris Chibnell, it's the 2nd episode that we have experienced this year and the 2nd last episode of the Whittaker era, and therefore of this very podcast.

So I'm going to ask a few questions around the panel and we will see what we thought of the episode.

[01:01]

So let me start with this 1st question.

And I will direct it to you first, Todd.

Is this better or worse than Warriors of the Deep and why is it worse?

It's worse than Warriors of the Deep.

Because it doesn't start, Peter Davidson, Janet Fielding, and Mark Strickson.

Yeah, yeah.

We do have to wait our spoilers for Janet a bit later, I think.

Spoilers.

Oh, and it doesn't have the murker.

Yeah, well, we don't know.

Do we, do we have the murder?

I think the Huashan is a giant...

Maybe it's the larval stage of the murker and then it sort of sprouts legs and other legs and arms and stuff and shrinks down and things in adulthood, like all of us, really.

What do you think, Brendan?

Better or worse than Warriors of the Deep.

[02:02]

Ah.

I have to say worse, not that I think worries of the deep is particularly brilliant, but Warriors of the Deep does have Ingrid Pitt.

Yeah.

And this does not have meat and group.

I think I think actually worry isn't deep managers to be better because it has miscasting.

Whereas I don't think this does have miscasting.

I think everyone's very well casted very well, very well acted in this.

I would like to take, I would like to take Brendan on point for that, but I'm not going to because we're not reviewing Warriors of the D. I think, I think, and I'm doing my best Janet Fielding at the moment, banging Janet as she's now known.

That's quite some artillery she's gone there.

I actually meant that Tom Adams was Miss Cast in Warriors of the Deep Ingrid. perfect. talk about this.

Oh, Todd, did you do Warriors of the Deep back in the day?

Because I thought he was actually very, oh, we were talking about the base commander.

[03:03]

I thought he was excellent.

Yes. don't know.

I don't know.

I've always liked Warriors of the Deep, so you know.

I've always liked it too.

I'm going to watch it again this evening, just out of spite.

Yes, that's right.

I actually watched I actually watched the sea devils today just out of spice.

Is that bought?

It's really great.

The music's awesome.

Okay, can I can I throw?

Can I throw a point of truth in?

An absolute truth?

I honestly, objectively, as much as I can as a Doctor Who fan, feel that it doesn't win out oversea devils, nor warriors on the cheap, because we're missing 25 minutes, and I don't, I honestly feel that this has been wedged.

I think John Richards said something similar today, actually.

I haven't read any reviews, you know, a friend of the podcast.

It just doesn't make any sense to me.

And I'm sure it's just that there's linking.

I know that Doctor Who always takes leaps and bounds and, you know, as murkers do, but there's just salient points.

As soon as that, as soon as our turtle dove, my fate, and I love the sea dulls actually love them, probably the most gorgeous 70s monster of all things, and Malcolm Clark can jump in and tune in there.

[04:17]

But they just, they, they could have honestly been a Tamagotchi for this for all of the narrative purposes served.

I always think that the solution to a bad episode isn't more of that episode.

I just generally feel that, you know, imagine like this one only longer.

Like, I'm not sure about that.

I think the problem isn't that the there are things that need explaining.

It's that it's a little bit difficult to care.

And I think, but I think it's, you know, we've, we're on the main podcast on flights through entirety.

We frequently talk about an episode being thin.

And it's usually thin because something else interesting is going on.

But here, nothing else interesting is going on.

It's just thin.

There's really kind of nothing to it.

And there are things that turn up.

And I'm all for spectacle.

This is TV.

And I thought that the murka looked fantastic in this story.

[05:19]

But what was it for?

Like, what was it for?

Yeah.

It didn't even like attack the ship really, you know?

I mean, it didn't do any damage.

One poor fisherman got eaten and that's about it.

You know, we dragged the Tartars down.

That was an interesting...

That was an interesting cut.

That was an interesting cut, jump cut to suddenly the TARDIS is in the sea double base.

It was a bit like the net suddenly was around the sea devil at the beginning.

There was obviously some cuts in that sequence.

Definitely, definitely.

Yeah, I wonder about that.

Because there's dialogue there suggested suggesting that they followed the sea devils or they were chasing them and it's kind of like, no, no, no, the monster bit them and then suddenly they're here.

It was very strange.

Yeah, um, something I think really lends credence to that rumour that's going around.

I've heard 13 minutes cut out of this episode.

Oh, really?

Yeah, is when the murker attacks.

[06:19]

And we are talking about the Hua Shen as it's referred to, the giant dragon thing.

If it's not a Merka, why is it?

Anyway.

Um, I'm sure...

I'm sure it's Cantonese for Panto.

But yeah, when the Mercer attacks, they fire cannon balls at it, it sends the cannonballs back which blow up in the sky because they hit each other and then it just goes away.

Yeah, correct.

I think we ever see it again and it's like, okay, I feel like there's been a big fight scene cut out here that may not have added much to the plot, but it would have fleshed out the characters.

And I think part of the lack of care is because there's no time given to get to know Madam Ching, or G. Hun, or the young man who, you know, he and he and Dan have a sort of Jamie Ben kind of relationship dragging each other into trouble, which is really sweet.

But I feel a lot of character stuff has been cut out at the behest of the BBC to make it fit a time slot, which is a great show.

[07:23]

I wonder whether the lack of character stuff is a problem.

I actually think the problem is that it's not about anything.

It's plot but no story.

And so, and maybe maybe some character speeches would have been enough to give it story, but I just think it's the kind of thing that we've seen from Tudmill before, where it's kind of like we have enough action to kind of pad out the running time, but none of it really amounts to anything.

It's not a story about something.

Like you couldn't, you couldn't say in a couple of sentences what this story was about, I think, in a way that you could more easily with worries of the deep.

And worries in the deepest about the Cold War.

What's this about?

Like, stuff, you know, things that happen.

I did spend 10 minutes and the 1st viewing is the best, so I want to hear from Brendan, but I did spend about 10 minutes trying to work out where they all ended up after flux.

[08:24]

Because it's as if that part of my life has just been taken from my mind and put somewhere else, I can't remember.

Yeah, no, the universe is.

The universe is still in pieces around us, but we don't care about it.

All right, let's go for another question.

How do we feel the sea devils went in this revival?

You've already hinted at this, Richard?

Tell us how you felt they went this time?

Well, what we saw of them, I very much liked, and I liked their Lego pirate ship with Christmas fairy lights on the side of it for no damn good reason.

And I liked all the other stuff for no damn good reason.

They've always had spurious and fragile filigree thin plots.

I love the ears with the little, with all the little veilly lacy things.

I thought they were gorgeous and everyone's been, I don't know. certain fans have been saying he talks out of the side of his head and all realism is gone.

[09:29]

I thought it was superb to be able to make later.

It is, um, you know, a practical effect and with some CG on the eyes and I thought it, I don't know, for me, they made it work and I just wanted to see another 15, 20 minutes of them doing things, see devilly.

They were almost not in it as far as I felt.

What did you think, Tom?

Look, I thought the design was great.

I missed their little round guns.

Oh, yes.

And I do, and I do think that, I do think one of the problems with the episode is the fact that Madam Cheng had no crew, and so they couldn't kill off any sort of extra crew, but they all had to be killed off by everybody who was there.

So they all seem to die very quickly.

Do you know what I mean?

Even Dan just, you know, one big swoosh of the sword and they're all down for the count.

So that, you know, in terms of making them an effective sort of, um, A monster sort of just diminished their, I don't know, danger or scariness or whatever. you know?

[10:41]

And besides our lead, Um, uh, sea devil, the rest of them didn't seem to have any sort of, you know, they were just, they could have been anybody, you know?

Do you know what I mean?

You know, the shot where the sea devil does the fantastic backflip onto the deck of the ship?

For some reason.

And then he's on the ship and there's all these sea devils that he's explaining things to that they clearly all know.

But it's an amazing shot.

There's so many of them.

It looks really good, I think.

Brendan?

I'm, I'm, I'm with Richard in that.

I, I love the design of them, but I'm all, I'm also with, um, with Richard and Todd as to more, more sea devils, please.

It's like, there, actually, I will start by praising something, I think Chris Chipnell does really interestingly with monsters, is that either the monster will present themselves or the doctor will comment that, The monsters are not a homogeneous thing.

[11:50]

So for instance, Ashad is very different from the other side of that.

When the doctor confronts the cheap sea devil, she says, your race is not a race of aggressors, what makes you an outlier?

And so it's, and then she mentions to Yaz, um, that, you know, the, they were actually here before you.

This is why it's kind of awkward.

And I really, I really praise that in a story that is so compressed that there is still time to state that, you know, yes, they're related to the Solarians, but and they're different because they're different, because they're people.

Um, But when it comes down to it, um, They, they, so they had this plan.

They're going to flood the world.

Hey, great idea.

We can make the story about something if the doctor says, well, if you just wait 200 years and humans are going to do it for you.

You know, give us a bit of that Malcolm Holk commentary.

That humans are monsters as well.

Um, it's there for the taking, you know what I mean?

[12:53]

But aside from the fact they want to claim the planet.

Well, you know, lots of alien races want to claim the planet.

There's nothing particularly sea devilly about them.

And that's a bit of a, that's a, that's, it's a shame.

It's a shame.

Yeah, I mean, there's absolutely nothing done with the fact that they were here 1st and that they think that they have the right to the planet.

They're just evil.

And to be fair, the original sea devils are that as well, you know, there's a 2nd of sort of nod towards the Silurians, but essentially they're just bad people who the master wants to manipulate into killing everyone.

And so, you know, maybe it's, it's not quite so bad.

Todd, you sounded like you had something more to say before.

Um, I guess the thing is that I just found in the whole story, like, like, Madam Cheng turns up with a bit of parchment that leads her to the little stone that just happens to, you know, release the sea devil miraculously, like, but she's after this treasure.

[14:04]

And then this guy's supposed to be guarding it and he's got the magic, um, golden red stone thing.

Surely that's the thing that imprisoned it.

Why wouldn't he have it with him?

you know?

And then, oh, there's just like, and then they use that magic redstone to activate their destruction of the, well, changing of the world, but surely you could have done that 200 years in the past, like, I mean, maybe I'm just missing something there.

Like, like there's just, it's a typical Chris Chibnil thing where, I just kind of felt like even Madam Chen's like, you know, her whole crew has been, and her boys have been kidnapped, right?

So could she actually get the ship there by herself?

I would have liked to have seen that to sort of invest more in her, do you know what I mean?

It was all spoken about off screen.

And the other character from the past, like, you know, he was working for the sea devils because his hand was being forced, but that was again all just explained.

Like it's, yeah, it's my, it's my common complaints that I have with Chris Chubinall's writing and and that sort of, you know, let things down because I think there was some absolutely amazing, um, special effects or viewpoints, you know, of the whole bay and I thought Jody looked great and Yaz looked great and and and all of that and under the sea looked great.

[15:23]

But just all these little niggly things were just like, sorry, I've got my head in my hands.

You may, you may or may all disagree with me.

It was sort of like, well, we're hearing about this and then you're explaining it.

And then the piece of resistance was the fact that, you know, people got knocked out, Madam Chen, and the guys on the ship by the 3 exploding, um, um, grenades.

It got knocked out for a convenient amount of time just so they could recover in time for the doctor, you know, to turn up.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah.

I'm sorry, I feel like I'm nitpicking it apart.

But I am picking it apart because all these little things add up to to take away from a story that had so much potential and again, but then it just doesn't work for me.

I want to know who's there that was.

It wasn't one of the kids.

It was a big year.

Yeah, no.

And she had her 1st maze.

It's even in the script.

It was very silly.

[16:25]

Because the disturbing thing is, we know that both Yaz and the doctor have multiple ear piercings.

And I'm just like, 0 God, hold on.

Is this a Christmas invasion situation?

It's not the doctor's extra year from when she regenerated out of Peter Cavaldi.

Is that what you're saying?

It's not Vincent's.

I know that.

I've seen that.

Because, you know, during it means during the regeneration, Jody can grow a half human, Jody, to stay with, yeah.

Yeah, perfect.

Problem solved.

Speaking of which.

Can we talk about that relationshipism?

Yeah.

So let's do that.

Can we put it off and can we just quickly talk about Dan?

and then let's talk about jazz and the doctor.

So I think Dan continues to do a great job.

Is that fan?

In his tertiary, in his tertiary position?

In his tertiary position?

Yeah.

Yeah, I, the thing I most like is it gives, it gives Yaz a chance to be on the inside because some, a problem I always had with Graham and Ryan is, you know, they're, they're a unit because they're family.

[17:38]

Which meant sort of during series 11 in particular, and most of series 12, Yaz is sort of on the outer of that, but now Yaz is the more seasoned traveller, and I just get such a, um, a brother sister vibe from her and Dan, like especially she's dressed him up completely ridiculous.

It's the gunfighters, isn't it?

Isn't it the gunfires?

It's the same beat, which I really adore.

So it's Stephen and Dodo.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. because Stephen comes dressed out. you know, dressed up like a sort of hilarious cowboy in silk and satin and stuff.

I thought that was really fun.

I don't know why she ragged on him for the outfit later on because she put him in it, but like whatever.

Can I, I just wanted to say, like, I think, I'm at this point now where it's sort of like, I wish Ryan and Graham had left earlier to give Yaz that chance to sort of breed as a character because I actually think she does a great job in reactions, no matter what she is, the plot or the relationship.

[18:45]

There's a real strength there, which is really lovely.

And, but unfortunately, the flip side, of course, with Dan is that he is the 3rd peg.

And so he's, he's away from the doctor a lot.

And, and I actually want more time with the doctor, but we're never really going to get that.

And I think that's one of the biggest shames with his, with his whole character in this, you know, these 7 or 8 episodes that he's been in is that, you know, because of the nature of it all, we're never really going to get that.

Look, I thought he, I thought his performance was good, but, but at times, it's so, I know this is not a criticism per se, but, it's so laid back. that I just feel like everything just sort of slows down a bit too much at times and it's sort of like, okay, come on, get on with it, you know?

Um, But I do prefer this team over the previous.

Yeah.

Iteration.

He does kill a bunch of people in this episode, which I thought was a bit upsetting.

That was quite astounding, really, to suddenly all the all the sea devils down in one convenient swipe.

[19:52]

It's so dumb.

It's so dumb because the doctor, the doctor has just criticised Jihun for killing the chief sea devil.

Jehun is standing right there, and I think it would have been a lot more in character if Dan had been talking, talking, talking, talking, talking.

And Jehun just grabs the sword and says, oh, for God's sake, and he does it?

Because he's about to go sacrifice himself anyway, you know, it, uh, we would get the atonement for that.

I don't, it's either you don't have Dan do that or you don't have the doctor criticise Jehun 30 seconds earlier.

I mean, that's a, again, there's no sort of consistent moral viewpoint, I think, in this era either, and that's part of the problem.

I thought that the, the, the joke, you know, have you met my mother and all I could think was maybe an episode 2 of flux, but I can't really remember.

You know, like I just didn't think it was a good save.

It wasn't that funny.

[20:53]

No, no, we met the mother and she seemed quite nice.

So, you know, real?

Well, all right, let's let's finish with what do we call it?

What's their shipper name?

It's... men.

No, you're team.

Oh, okay.

Thasmin.

That's not even a word.

So how do we...

Nathan, that's how portmanteaus work?

Oh, dear, I thought that were things you carried your jacket in.

All right, so how do we feel that that went and we're going to go for opposing viewpoints starting with Brendan?

Right.

So, This is a concept that was always on a hiding to nothing.

Yeah.

Not because of any flaw in the concept, but because A companion is never going to have an equal romantic relationship with the doctor.

[21:58]

Even the relationship with the river song is mostly offscreen.

You know what I mean?

That being, that being said, I appreciate that, it wasn't sort of the 10th doctor who would fob off that kind of thing or the 11th doctor who would make a silly joke and scream for Rory.

You know, it was the 13th doctor saying, you are my friend.

I think you're excellent.

And if I were, if I were ready to pursue a relationship, I would pursue it with you, but I am not that person.

And I think that It's actually like a really mature way to handle that conversation.

But there's not really much drama in it, you know what I mean?

That's why you had 10 and rows on opposing dimensions face up against the wall kind of thing.

But at the same time, I appreciate that it is not dramatic and overwrought and it gives us a lovely final scene with, I think, some of the best acting from Amanda and Jody in the show.

[23:00]

Richard?

I agree with everything, Brendan said, but it still felt like a coin dropping into an empty beer keg.

I can still hear it rattling.

It just, it made noise, but it didn't achieve very much.

And yes, I felt that they both actress did their absolute best with something that just felt terribly thin and a little bit of sets.

I just couldn't buy it.

And maybe it's time and maybe that's that it jolted, but it also felt a bit like what a straight boy thinks girl relationships are.

And that may be terribly unfair, but it just didn't hold it for me.

Do you remember the doctor and its tenant, and I can't remember who he says it to, and he says, you could spend the rest of your life with me, but I couldn't spend it with you.

It is tenant, is it?

Yeah.

To, to, to, to...

[24:01]

Yeah, yeah.

I thought it was school reunion.

I think that's beautiful and I thought this was kind of a bit of a pale imitation of that.

Exactly.

And I think too, saying, uh, a relationship's going to hurt, so I don't do that.

Like, that's, there's something more pathetic about that.

And to be fair, to be fair, that's what, yes, says without kind of, um, you know, sticking the boot in.

But I mean, that all relationships end.

Do you know what I mean?

They all end.

Like, and they all end sadly, you know, it's like having a pet only not quite as good.

And, you know, like, like, um, it's, you know, they, they all end.

Even if even a relationship that lasts your entire life ends with the death of one of you, you know, like it just seemed a bit pathetic.

Todd.

Well, I think you've all touched on the whole gambit there.

[25:06]

I mean, I don't really care one way or the other, quite frankly, but, um, um, especially when poor Jody gets to say, I wish this could last forever or go on for whatever and you know that we've got one more adventure and I just kind of went, well, thanks, Chris, for that bit of dialogue and poor Jody having to deliver that.

Um, you know what?

I loved my favourite moment of her in the episode was when she went to touch one of the Sea Devil's, um, devices and it came came at her with the sword and she gave it that look and went, ooh, or whatever.

I thought that was great.

But so I go away from the relationship.

Look, I look, look.

I thought it, like, it is what it is and I don't hate it.

I not in love with it.

It's going to end.

We know that.

I think, I mean, I think it is sort of queer baiting a bit, and I think it would have been probably best avoided.

And also I just sort of think, yeah, there's this cross with the doctor all the time, like just all the time.

[26:11]

She's so cross with her.

I just, yeah, anyway.

Yeah.

Mind you, mind you, so was Donna and we love that.

Yeah, yeah, but Donna didn't want to get in his pants, though.

Is it because we don't want to slap Jodie Whittaker, whereas we kind of want to slap tenants doctor quite often.

Yeah, I think that could well be it.

I mean, something I'd like to say as well about the relationship is, from what I, from what I see online, it's resonating a lot with younger fans.

Yeah.

So maybe I just don't get why it's resonating so much.

And I just, I just want to say, if anyone is listening and kind of going, well, this relationship really resonates with me.

Don't don't take don't take what I said as gospel.

That is my opinion, and if this relationship resonates with you, and especially if it helps you sort through your own feelings, then I think it's really valuable.

[27:12]

And I think that's what Mandat Gill has said she wants it to do on the show.

So I do hope it, I do hope it's having value for the people who are invested in it.

That's a good sentiment.

I would agree with that, you know?

Just, yeah.

I just think we were talking about this today.

I mean, Star Trek blows Doctor Who out of the water when it comes for queer representation.

But nevertheless, you know, I'm aware that this relationship really does resonate.

And I think that that's one of the reasons why it's become explicit in the show.

All right, our last point, uh, before we wrap up and that is, uh, and spoiler horn.

I should drop in the horn from Horror Fang Rock, the folder.

Spoiler horn, we are going to talk about the trailer.

Todd, anyone you know in the next episode?

[28:14]

There are 2 people.

And I just pray that um, Chris does them justice.

But it is exciting.

I'm so excited to see Joe back.

It is exciting.

I'm more excited about Tegan than I am about Ace.

I mean it's great for both of them because they're both great actresses, but I just want to see her, um, You know, if she meets the master, you know, here's one.

You're a revolting man.

She's so good.

I can't wait.

What about you, Richard?

Taken with a what?

AK 47?

No, it was bigger.

I thought, I looked at this and I thought, surely I've seen this before.

Didn't she do that in every single story?

She has a big ass gun in her story. shock, doesn't she?

[29:14]

Like a be...

She does and she has... she knows what to do with it.

It's not just rabbits.

It was such, look, I don't know how it happened.

I thought it was going to be Karen Gillan and there had been some leak that it was Karen.

I thought, okay, I'm going to see Amy Pond at the end of this and blah.

And I'm so glad I got such a shock and there's all these cute little memes of 50 something year old men of a certain persuasion standing next to a still on their television with their mouths open like a 4 year old at the 1st time at the nocturnal house.

And I'm not saying, I'm not making any upper middle class jokes about skin tone or I think, I think, honestly, I think that, um, I think Sophie looks great for her age.

But I have to say, Janet was freaking amazing.

And the indignation in half a 2nd all as you have, you could just see the whole.

I can't believe it, it's still happening.

[30:15]

I thought, yes.

I was very happy with 90 minutes of just Janet complaining with a gun.

That's all we never wanted.

That's the tinyest.

That's all we wanted.

Yeah.

She did tweet today, did you see?

She said, stop being bothersome.

I think she was doing that in town.

She said, you're all freaking out over nothing. going to be great.

Relax, trust me.

So she was, she was definitely saying yes, it's going to be, Chris treated us both very well.

It's really good script.

I thought, well, look, as long as they carry on as the new 2 companions for the next doctor, they can do anything they like, I'm fine.

Yep.

And, uh, Brendan.

Yeah, okay, Richard Ray is an interesting point because Russell was planning to bring back Ace in Sarah Jane Adventures season 6.

And way back when when Tom was leaving, JNT wanted to bring back 1st Elizabeth Sladen and then Louise Jameson because he was worried about how the show would bear without Tom Baker and wanted to give it a popularity boost.

[31:23]

Now, imagine if Russell has been talking to Chris and going, okay, you bring him back in your last episode, and I'll have him for a few episodes as well.

Like I'm thinking maybe not as regular as maybe as recurring, but that would that would be sensational.

I would love that.

Now, as Todd and Nathan have said, and I think I think Richard is inferred as well. you know you're all looking forward to Janet.

Now I'm looking forward to Janet.

Don't get me wrong.

But I started watching Doctor Who in 1988.

So, I screamed when Sophie appeared on the screen.

Uh...

Yeah, I haven't seen the doctor in 30 years.

Um, no, I'm, I'm so looking forward to it.

And thing is, I'm not just looking forward to that.

Like, I love seeing Sasha up there, even if, even if in one shot, he has not enough beard and in another shot, he has too much beard.

Um, a shard is back and I'm very happy about that.

[32:23]

Somehow, he grew up again.

He got big.

Romana was behind him. you're just torturing us now.

Lisa was picking scabs off her arms.

Yeah, somewhere.

It's a shame Jackie Lane's no longer with us.

All right.

I think we're going to wind up at that point.

Um, so, uh, do anyone have any sort of urgent uh, final um, closing statements, I want to say?

Todd?

Yes, I've got one.

You know, they credited Malcolm Hulk in the, um, the creator of the sea devils, but they spilled his name wrong.

So it was a nice sentiment, right?

But they stuffed it up and that's how I feel about this episode.

It sums up quite a whole thing.

What I've thought about this episode.

I can't really give this any more than 5 out of 10 at the best.

All right.

Well, that's a perfect balanced mark.

[33:23]

So, what do we have to plug?

Um, Brendan, you're going to do a walk to work with Whittaker at some point quite soon.

In about 12 hours, the reason I didn't do it today is I just need to watch the episode again.

I really, I really didn't get it.

And I think we didn't really say enough, but I just want to give it a shout out.

I think the 3 main guest cast who play Madam Ching, Jihun, and the young man from the village whose name escapes me at the moment, that's why I need to watch it again.

No, I think they were all really great.

Um, and yeah, I think it's a matter of the characterisations and performances in this episode were great, but the plot not good. 6 out of 10.

Yeah.

Um, Brendan, can you do your walk to Whittaker in a electric blue Chong Sam or whatever it is we call the frog?

Because I'm giving the frogs 10 out of 10, love the frogs.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah. nice to see Jodie dressed in something else Yep.

Oh, yeah, Jody looks so much better.

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Yeah, yeah, and relaxed.

I think she was more comfortable in her costume.

And um, I know I was.

And honestly, it looked gorgeous, some of the best effects we've had.

Chibnall has, for whatever reason, maybe because he moves with, Well, I can't say glacial anymore, the pace they're going.

But, um, it just, he's, he's era does look better than any other.

Yeah.

So, I'm grateful for that.

I thought there were some some fairly stock after effects kind of things in there from time to time.

But a lot of it looked absolutely amazing.

All right, so let me plug some things.

We have walk to work with Whittaker, and I will put a link in the show notes to the playlist, if not the actual thing.

It will be out tomorrow.

I, or perhaps already as you're listening to this.

We are currently in the middle of series 7 A of Doctor Who in Flight through Entirety.

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And this Sunday we'll be doing a town called Mercy.

Um, There is also uh, Untitled Star Trek project, which is out every Friday, um, and we have some great episodes coming up there.

And later in the year.

We have now finished, I think, recording series B. of Blake 7 or series 2, as normal people call it, and that will be being released sometime quite soon.

So keep an eye out for that.

Until next time, may the thing that you're trying to conceal under your clothing not be prone to glowing unexpectedly.

Thank you very much for listening and good night.

Good night.

See you soon.

Good then.