WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 12:53:50 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:09.779 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody Interterterra, the only Doctor Who flash cast that could really go for a particle accelerator just about now. 2 00:00:09.900 --> 00:00:18.839 We're all here and we're here to discuss this week's episode, the Saranga, what's it called? 3 00:00:18.899 --> 00:00:19.859 Leila? 4 00:00:19.980 --> 00:00:21.780 The Saranga Leila conundrum. 5 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:27.480 So, which is fitting really, actually, an amazing coincidence. 6 00:00:27.539 --> 00:00:37.140 So we've all watched it several times in the last sort of 24 hours or so and we all have bracing opinions to share. 7 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:42.539 So I am going to throw to Todd, I think. 8 00:00:42.780 --> 00:00:46.380 Oh, I, I, I, I get to start again. 9 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:46.740 Thank you. 10 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:49.679 Brendan keeps refusing. 11 00:00:49.740 --> 00:00:50.759 Okay. 12 00:00:50.820 --> 00:00:57.240 Well, brace yourselves. everyone and listeners. 13 00:00:57.299 --> 00:01:00.479 Look, at the beginning of this, I really liked it. 14 00:01:00.539 --> 00:01:07.980 I thought that, you know, the Tartars has lost and it appears to be critical to the plot and then it wasn't. 15 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:13.799 And then the doctor, you know, is injured more than the others. 16 00:01:13.859 --> 00:01:15.659 And that appears to be critical to the plot. 17 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:17.280 And then it's really not. 18 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:24.540 Um, I really like the 5th doctor, Neris Hughes sort of relationship with the male medic, um, pastos. 19 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:27.299 And when he pulled up the selfish doctor, I thought that was brilliant. 20 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:29.040 And I thought, this is great. 21 00:01:29.099 --> 00:01:30.659 This chemistry we're going to have all the way through. 22 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:31.500 This is going to be wonderful. 23 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:34.500 It felt very kinder at this stage, didn't it, Todd? 24 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:35.219 Yes. 25 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:35.819 Yeah. 26 00:01:35.819 --> 00:01:37.680 I had someone heard that it was pretty. 27 00:01:37.739 --> 00:01:39.060 Very pretty. 28 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:40.859 And then Sonic. 29 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:46.739 And then and then I, yeah, I thought he was going to be critical to the plot. 30 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:48.299 And then well, he wasn't. 31 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:56.340 And then, of course, we had the Sonic, you know, getting eaten by the, the, the Tuping, and I thought, oh, that's going to be critical to the plot, and then it really wasn't. 32 00:01:56.579 --> 00:02:01.319 The moment we lost him, I began to lose hard a bit. 33 00:02:01.379 --> 00:02:05.159 I didn't bond with the characters of the general and her crew at all. 34 00:02:05.219 --> 00:02:22.560 I thought they were terrible cliches in their relationships. you know, she's lying about her, um, condition and then she turns out to be a pilot and I'm thinking when we, when they got to the asteroid thing, oh, yes, she's going to see them through the asteroids and she's probably going to die, and of course, that's the roof we went. 35 00:02:22.620 --> 00:02:38.819 But of course, we've just got people standing around, you know, in a, in a room, sort of wobbling around rather than actually seeing it, and and at a time in the episode later in the episode when I thought it was critical to sort of add some sort of oomph and action, and it just sort of slid into mediocrity. 36 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:43.319 The shipped earlier on, looked wonderful, like Vivian Phase. like, you know. 37 00:02:43.500 --> 00:02:43.860 It was. 38 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:45.300 That was exactly what I thought as well. 39 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:47.520 It was the hyperspaceship from Stones of Blood. 40 00:02:47.939 --> 00:02:53.400 And, you know, they were heading off to an invisible enemy medic, you know, facility. 41 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:57.479 And, you know, that... 42 00:02:57.539 --> 00:02:58.379 Pointless eye makeup. 43 00:02:58.439 --> 00:02:59.639 Yes, that was there. 44 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:08.219 You know, I just got sick of all the technobabble, the technobabble to establish to the general, to establish the ship, the location, the pregnancy. 45 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:12.060 We heard, you know, threat level chalice up from beetroot. 46 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:16.500 We sort of had these things, like in episode 2 where we were establishing the race and the currency. 47 00:03:16.500 --> 00:03:25.800 And I just thought, this is not, for me, it was like cliche, it wasn't clever writing, it was just like obvious sort of writing. 48 00:03:25.860 --> 00:03:29.039 I'm trying to be like RTD but I'm not half as clever. 49 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:40.020 The female medic not having like having issues with her ability to step up sort of thing, you know, not sure of herself. 50 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:42.000 Like, I just thought, oh, another cliche. 51 00:03:42.060 --> 00:03:48.840 And what sort of began to ruin it for me was the fact that a lot of the doctor's speeches, I didn't think were cleverly written. 52 00:03:48.900 --> 00:03:51.599 I just thought they were really quite banal and quite simple. 53 00:03:51.659 --> 00:03:56.699 And I didn't feel it when the doctor was talking to her to try and make her step up. 54 00:03:56.759 --> 00:04:07.860 I just, I was just losing heart with some of the dialogue that poor Jody was having to deliver and then she gave us a science lesson on whatever that, the, the, the antimatter thing. 55 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:19.980 And I want her to have a voice that's not chibnals because I just think the writing in that other episode was so much better, short, sharp, and she had great reactions, and this just was just getting painful. 56 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:26.819 And then in the last 15 minutes, that the chimes music just began to get on my, like, the pan pipes from hell. 57 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:28.680 I just wanted to stop. 58 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:29.939 I wanted to stop. 59 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:30.959 They were so annoying. 60 00:04:31.019 --> 00:04:33.000 I just wanted to halt the episode. 61 00:04:33.540 --> 00:04:39.480 Many can't watch picnic at hanging rock without feeling exactly the same way. 62 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:43.680 Which one, the original or that terrible TV show? 63 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:45.540 I wouldn't know about a remake. 64 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:48.839 We don't do remakes on this podcast. consistent. 65 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:52.920 We're doing it now, launches, yes, not remakes. 66 00:04:52.980 --> 00:05:01.680 We're talking NFTV about people standing around in corridors urgently talking and that seem to be happening all the time. 67 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:09.000 We talked about, I was talking about, I think, in it, that I, what are these extra 8 minutes going to bring? 68 00:05:09.060 --> 00:05:17.160 And if you look at the extra 8 or 10 minutes, we had some lovely, lovely work by Tossin and Amanda, when they were talking about his mum and dad, that was just beautiful. 69 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:20.939 I mean, Graham's stuff about called the midwife was hilarious. 70 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:21.660 Yeah. 71 00:05:21.660 --> 00:05:30.300 And, um, we had the whole cliche males reacting to a pregnancy thing, which I was just rolling my eyes at. 72 00:05:30.300 --> 00:05:38.399 And, but, you know, spoiler alert people in episode 10, Chibmill's going to get Ryan to do the fist pump to Graham, like, you know, call me out on that one. 73 00:05:38.459 --> 00:05:39.120 Yep. 74 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:40.439 Oh, yes. absolutely. 75 00:05:40.500 --> 00:05:41.040 Yeah. 76 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:51.000 Um, uh, uh, um, The Ting, like I'm typing, typing to, typing, drop the Y, typing person. 77 00:05:51.060 --> 00:05:51.839 No, it's the other around. 78 00:05:51.899 --> 00:05:52.439 Peting. 79 00:05:52.500 --> 00:05:53.819 I know, I know. 80 00:05:54.420 --> 00:05:59.160 They're going, yeah, really, like, I thought that thing was actually hilarious. 81 00:05:59.220 --> 00:06:01.560 The conundrum was better. 82 00:06:01.620 --> 00:06:03.120 It was after this food. 83 00:06:03.180 --> 00:06:12.540 Like, if it sense that big major power source, why didn't it go for it first, rather than all these little quantrain meals around the ship first, look. 84 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:20.879 For me, you know, that 1st 15 minutes was like, you know, 9 or 8 out, 9 or 10 out of 10, I just loved it. 85 00:06:20.939 --> 00:06:28.319 And then I just felt like rather than what I was wanting, but the episode just saw, it just glided into mediocrity. 86 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:31.740 And this was my biggest fear with Gibinals writing. 87 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:37.199 And so at the end of it, I was just there going, 0 my goodness, I can't give this any more than a four. 88 00:06:37.980 --> 00:06:39.839 Oh, my goodness. 89 00:06:39.899 --> 00:06:44.100 I was getting into the massacre territory there. 90 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:48.480 It probably ended up in, it's in my bottom 10. 91 00:06:48.779 --> 00:06:52.259 I kind of feel like I'd rather go and watch the twins on them up. 92 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:57.060 Oh, or, or, um, what's that? 93 00:06:57.060 --> 00:07:01.079 Or, um, the Tint Dilemma or, uh, Delta and the Bannerman. 94 00:07:01.139 --> 00:07:02.939 And for me, that's like, you know, a huge thing. 95 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:04.079 Sorry guys. 96 00:07:04.139 --> 00:07:04.860 Sorry, everyone. 97 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:08.279 You know, the stuff there was stuff I liked, but I just... 98 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.279 The dialogue was just screwing me in. 99 00:07:11.339 --> 00:07:14.339 Well, um, all right. 100 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:15.959 What did you think, Brendan? 101 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:18.779 Look, um... 102 00:07:18.779 --> 00:07:29.339 Most seasons of New Doctor Who, halfway through the season, they have an episode that's fine. 103 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:31.680 You know, the long game is fine. 104 00:07:31.740 --> 00:07:34.920 Lazarus experiment is fine. 105 00:07:34.980 --> 00:07:37.680 Vampire of Venice, caretaker. 106 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:39.360 They're fine. 107 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:44.939 But I kind of feel that we're down to 10 episodes a year now. 108 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:48.540 With the same production period. 109 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:53.459 We probably shouldn't be having just fine episodes anymore. 110 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:57.660 And to be honest, I watched it again today. 111 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:02.939 And I'm glad I watched it again today because I was going to be a lot more critical about it. 112 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:08.759 But watching it again, um, kind of made me realise why it didn't work for me. 113 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:10.439 There are things that did work. 114 00:08:10.500 --> 00:08:15.420 Todd's already pointed out that conversation between Ryan and Yaz. 115 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:21.420 Not only well written, but really well performed on both their parts. 116 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:32.460 Yaz continues to be criminally underused in my opinion, but she got some really good stuff in the 2nd half of the episode and I found myself thinking, Oh, Yas has been given a gun. 117 00:08:32.580 --> 00:08:34.019 Well, of course, Yaz has been given a gun. 118 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:42.360 Yaz has training with firearms being a police officer and it made me realise Yaz being a police officer hasn't really factored into the plot in the last few episodes. 119 00:08:42.419 --> 00:08:45.360 Like, we literally... 120 00:08:45.419 --> 00:08:46.799 Makes sense. 121 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:48.059 That standoffs, yes. 122 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:53.100 That last week, she didn't make a point of the fact that she was a police officer. personage. 123 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:55.860 Yeah, when they're in the hotel the entire time. 124 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:59.820 This guy is directing her with a gun and she doesn't go, watch it, mate. 125 00:08:59.879 --> 00:09:01.200 I'm a police office. 126 00:09:01.259 --> 00:09:02.220 Yeah. 127 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:03.960 But Brandon, she's like, Lisa. 128 00:09:04.500 --> 00:09:07.259 She's like, Miss, when she gets a gun, she's brilliant. 129 00:09:09.539 --> 00:09:12.000 The giant vibrating machine. 130 00:09:12.059 --> 00:09:16.500 I thought that that scene with her and Jody... 131 00:09:16.500 --> 00:09:17.940 Sorry, I'm talking over you. 132 00:09:18.419 --> 00:09:20.340 Thanks to you, Brendan. 133 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:20.639 Sorry. 134 00:09:20.700 --> 00:09:24.659 Oh, well, you're about to say the same with her, Jody, and the airlock, yeah? 135 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:25.980 Yeah, yeah. 136 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:27.419 That was really good. 137 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:29.940 You could have picked a higher number, but that was really good. 138 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:37.500 But Todd, getting back to what you what you keep saying about Yaz being Nissa, well, yeah, she's a concept companion. 139 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.279 The concept is that she is a police officer. 140 00:09:41.340 --> 00:09:43.019 She's trainee police officer. 141 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:44.039 She wants to prove herself. 142 00:09:44.100 --> 00:09:51.720 She also has to deal with racism in her day-to-day life, and those concepts have been brought up, but they're only brought up when they're germane to the plot. 143 00:09:51.779 --> 00:09:54.600 Her character is currently a plot device. 144 00:09:54.659 --> 00:09:57.240 Which really, which really annoys me. 145 00:09:58.620 --> 00:10:07.320 Unless she gets stuff to do with Towson, and they bounce so beautifully off each other, but of course, Towson has to have lots of scenes with Bradley. 146 00:10:07.379 --> 00:10:10.620 So they keep pushing the ass off to the side. 147 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:12.899 But where I with this episode fell down for me. 148 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:23.639 And I don't actually think it's in the script because I think in terms of the writing and performances, this is the funniest episode so far this year. 149 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:30.720 I had a few full on belly laughs while I was watching it, like that called the midwife stuff, for instance. 150 00:10:30.779 --> 00:10:37.500 But I think the direction of this episode really lets it down because. 151 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:41.460 The conversation between Yaz and Ryan is beautiful. 152 00:10:41.580 --> 00:10:44.039 Why are they stopping? 153 00:10:44.100 --> 00:10:46.379 Why are they physically stopping during an emergency? 154 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:49.740 You know, we've got a, we've got a dialogue about that, though. 155 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:51.240 That is dialogue. 156 00:10:51.299 --> 00:10:56.159 I should get moving, but a lampshade to me is not an effective way to deal with that. 157 00:10:56.220 --> 00:10:59.639 They could just keep moving through the corridors. 158 00:10:59.700 --> 00:11:10.559 You know, there are psychologists around the world who find walking therapy is better than sitting therapy and not that they would make a point of that in the plot. 159 00:11:10.620 --> 00:11:21.779 But there are whole scenes, not just that one, whole scenes where it's like, um, okay, instead of just saying we're going to go over here and do this now, you should be moving towards that because you are in a very dangerous situation. 160 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.899 You're also in a very tiny set. 161 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:29.940 Like, there's not, there wasn't enough corridor for them to walk along for that scene. 162 00:11:29.940 --> 00:11:32.399 And I think that that's why there's still... 163 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:50.460 If there's enough corridor in Blake 7, there's enough corridor in Doctor Who in 2018, I just feel, I just feel that the direction at many points just robs the tension of the performances and the script. 164 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:52.320 Jennifer Perriot. 165 00:11:52.379 --> 00:11:53.460 I hope I'm pronouncing that right. 166 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:55.139 New director to Doctor Who. 167 00:11:55.200 --> 00:12:01.860 Australian director, I'm really hoping that she's also directing next week's episode. 168 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:05.220 I'm really hoping that that is gonna be an improvement. 169 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:09.720 I think next week there's going to be location, you know, like I think that will help. 170 00:12:09.779 --> 00:12:12.120 Yeah, I think 7 out of 10 from me. 171 00:12:12.179 --> 00:12:18.299 Still 7 out of 10 because of all that other stuff, but just the direction really ground my gears. 172 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:25.019 I think I think the real test for Yaz's character next week. 173 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:25.980 Really? 174 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:26.460 Yeah. 175 00:12:26.460 --> 00:12:34.559 I like next week's going to be the test for her character because they're they're centring her in the plot, they're coming back into her. forward to it. 176 00:12:34.620 --> 00:12:37.259 Yeah, into her own... 177 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:39.240 Yeah, she's great. 178 00:12:39.299 --> 00:12:43.139 She's super charming. to deliver. 179 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.299 Are you're cooking there, Todd, or? 180 00:12:48.299 --> 00:12:49.980 I'm not cooking anything. 181 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:50.639 Not me. 182 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:52.019 Is that you, Richard? 183 00:12:52.139 --> 00:12:58.320 No, I think that was just the plot falling out of the air long. after that to start with. 184 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:01.259 What did you think, Richard? 185 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:02.940 Me, Michael. 186 00:13:03.179 --> 00:13:11.100 I have so many words, but most of them have been used already by... 187 00:13:11.220 --> 00:13:12.600 Oh, what's her name? 188 00:13:12.659 --> 00:13:20.220 I keep wanting to see Olivia Hussey, but the lovely skinny girl who played olive oil in Popeyeon was in Woody Allen, mini Woody Allen movies like Manhattan. 189 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:22.559 Anyway, she played his girlfriend. will come back to me before I'm finished. 190 00:13:22.620 --> 00:13:28.379 When she describes sex with Woody Allen as lachrymose, Jejune, and Kath Karesque. 191 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:33.360 And went on, and then she went on to... 192 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:37.799 This might be the only podcast to describe this episode as Kafka-esque. 193 00:13:37.860 --> 00:13:40.259 She went on to elaborate sign. 194 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:49.679 I think she went on to have an affair with Carol Kane, who later turns up in in Kimmy Schmidt as the crazy lady downstairs. 195 00:13:49.740 --> 00:13:51.000 I found this. 196 00:13:51.059 --> 00:13:52.080 Yeah, I know. 197 00:13:52.139 --> 00:13:52.740 I love her too. 198 00:13:52.799 --> 00:14:03.539 And I, and I, and I love, I love, I love the 1st part that Todd was into so much and I was admiring that the set, the whole show had a, had a very 60s feel to it. 199 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:13.740 And I was looking at a set thinking, all these corners and edges are actually incredibly expensive to build, and I can describe to you all the work that the plasterers and builders would have gone to. 200 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:20.580 And then they went and stuck some Star Trek pipes on them, and I thought they deliberately trying to make this look cheap for a reason. 201 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:30.299 It's a lovely harbinger to, um, to what was going on in the 60s and then maybe being pointed to again in the 80s and some of our favourite stories. 202 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:37.620 So pretty much after that moment with the Sonic and the pregnancy and thing, I turned on twin dilemma and I... 203 00:14:37.620 --> 00:14:42.179 Turned the collar down because I'm not into self-harming through willingness anyway. 204 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:48.419 So I turned the colour down and I really found it entertaining and the sets are gorgeous and they feel a lot like the space museum. 205 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:58.019 So I went and turned on the space museum, and I can tell you, that's a great story with really lovely steps and some terrific spaceships and lots of work in it. 206 00:14:58.019 --> 00:15:02.519 The performances are superb and witty, and there's a lot of Jonas. 207 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:21.659 There a lot of standing around in corridors, prattling lines that don't seem to go anywhere and don't appear to have anything to do with any plot or any exegencies of any reason at all, and that the best people, such as Barbara, are left standing around with interesting haircuts, much like, um, Miss, uh, what's her name? 208 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:28.860 Sorry, I just keep calling her Yaz, but yeah, much like much like my favourite character in this season, which is the police person. 209 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:31.559 So yeah, I can hardly recommend to you both. 210 00:15:31.620 --> 00:15:35.759 The Space Museum and the twin dilemma with the colours turned down. 211 00:15:35.820 --> 00:15:37.440 I really enjoyed both of them last. 212 00:15:37.500 --> 00:15:43.259 So I think we could hear in the background of Richard's speech, our Marigold's Thermon. 213 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:49.019 We've released the fees from it and it was making a beautiful sound in the background. 214 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:52.379 So we have written 15 minutes. 215 00:15:52.440 --> 00:16:03.899 Um, I, I do want to say something, though, about the episode, which is that, um, I think that this is the new normal. 216 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:15.059 I think the things that are being identified as flaws by all of us here, what we should really now come to expect from this season. 217 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:17.700 The plots are very simple. 218 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:25.440 And as Todd said, you know, that whole plot with Eve, Cicero was, you know, it was very clear where that was going right from the beginning. 219 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:38.100 And so, and there is a kind of linearity and a kind of, like a simplicity, I don't want to say a lack of ambition because I think it is a conscious reaction to what we've had for the last couple of years. 220 00:16:38.460 --> 00:16:42.419 And I do think that what they've decided to do, they're doing very well. 221 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:46.559 I don't really agree with the criticisms of the look of the show. 222 00:16:46.620 --> 00:16:48.000 I thought it looked amazing this week. 223 00:16:48.059 --> 00:16:51.000 I did think it looked cheaper than other episodes, but I did think. 224 00:16:51.179 --> 00:16:52.500 It wasn't cheap. a cheap set. 225 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:54.360 But it's not very big, though. 226 00:16:54.419 --> 00:16:56.879 You know, like it is just those 3 things. 227 00:16:56.940 --> 00:16:57.539 Yeah, that's right. 228 00:16:57.600 --> 00:16:58.620 I'm not joking. 229 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:00.779 It's actually really hard to build those angles and corners. 230 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:04.619 I would just ask you all, and I mean this quite legitimately. 231 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:07.500 How would you feel about this if it wasn't an episode of Doctor Who? 232 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:12.000 I think I would still have enjoyed it because I think what it is. 233 00:17:12.059 --> 00:17:15.720 It's a super mental remake of alien. 234 00:17:15.779 --> 00:17:27.359 And so you've got alien but instead of a xenomorph, you've got nibbler. you know, and suddenly it goes from being very standard science fiction to being something that's much more mental than that. 235 00:17:27.420 --> 00:17:32.460 And and the pregnant man who was not just there for laughs. 236 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:37.019 I thought he was a nice performance and stuff, but it was also a character beat for Ryan as well. 237 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:44.339 And so I did think that the standing urgently in corridors that we were talking about. 238 00:17:44.339 --> 00:17:46.799 We were talking about that at length on FTE this week. 239 00:17:46.859 --> 00:17:48.539 We've got a lot of it. 240 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:51.720 You know, like we've got enough time for us to sort of... 241 00:17:51.779 --> 00:17:56.460 Yeah, well, we got enough time here for good actors to stand around and do character work. 242 00:17:56.519 --> 00:17:58.259 And that's what Chibnell does. 243 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:02.759 And I thought the 1st 2 episodes... 244 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:04.799 No one found the pace, no one knew tone. 245 00:18:04.859 --> 00:18:06.000 No one could work from each other. 246 00:18:06.059 --> 00:18:12.660 Jody was just projecting the lines because she really didn't know, nobody knew what they were doing with their parts and it was all pitched at the same level. 247 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:16.859 It was as bland and white as the set and it's the worst thing I've seen. 248 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:23.339 I think on Doctor Who since the 2 episodes I mentioned, which I actually enjoyed a lot more last night. 249 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:28.140 This was an absolute abomination, and I'm really shocked that it got through. 250 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:32.460 All my fears of chibnol were absolutely cemented with this one. 251 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:33.900 It was unwatchable. 252 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:39.240 I managed to watch it through, but it's worst piece of shit I've ever seen on Doctor Who. 253 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:41.519 I think you're all wrong. 254 00:18:41.579 --> 00:18:42.539 I loved it. 255 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:47.160 Yeah, I thought it's one of the worst pieces of television I've seen recently. 256 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:49.799 James. 257 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:50.759 No, no, I loved it. 258 00:18:50.819 --> 00:18:51.420 Yeah, yeah. 259 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:52.140 I loved it. 260 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:59.819 I mean, possibly because it's just the antithesis of what we've been getting for the last 5 or 6 years. 261 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:04.680 It was very focussed on the characters. 262 00:19:04.740 --> 00:19:16.079 It was very focussed on onstanding urgently in corridors, having, you know, conversations which would not have happened in the last like 5 seasons because... 263 00:19:16.140 --> 00:19:20.880 We love that my dinner with Andre action figure set thing that's... 264 00:19:20.940 --> 00:19:27.119 And I, I, look, I loved the fact that the alien wasn't evil. 265 00:19:27.180 --> 00:19:29.220 It just was hungry. 266 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:31.619 And they said it away satisfied. 267 00:19:31.619 --> 00:19:34.980 Yeah, they said it away with a well-prepared meal. 268 00:19:34.980 --> 00:19:49.740 And yes, like only 2 characters die, one character, you know, yes, it was a bit obvious that she was going to die from the moment you work out what's that she's ill. 269 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:54.900 That's signposted very early on, but she dies with some amount of meaning. 270 00:19:55.740 --> 00:20:05.880 The other character, the pretty one that we wanted to survive the entire episode, unfortunately, dies very quickly, but he wasn't being given very much to do. 271 00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:07.140 But he was likeable. 272 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:08.579 You want to make a character. 273 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:13.440 You know, you don't want to see the character and go, oh, this is the throwaway character. 274 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:16.140 You know, like you want to think he's going to be... 275 00:20:16.140 --> 00:20:19.859 So he can die with some amount of sort of impact. 276 00:20:20.460 --> 00:20:22.559 So it was a bit hackneyed. 277 00:20:22.859 --> 00:20:25.380 Look, I've always believed in new stuff. 278 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:25.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 279 00:20:25.980 --> 00:20:33.960 Oh, look, it's nothing if not predictable or straightforward or kind of, you know, like it's not inventive dialogue by any stretch. 280 00:20:34.019 --> 00:20:35.640 But there's an attempt. 281 00:20:35.700 --> 00:20:36.960 You've got 8 characters. 282 00:20:37.019 --> 00:20:43.079 There's a massive attempt to give all of them except for Ronan something to do. 283 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:46.799 And some kind of character arc. 284 00:20:46.799 --> 00:21:00.299 And, you know, there's enough there for the regulars, you know, to all get something as well. you know, and it had that RTD feel to the future where the future is kind of silly. 285 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:11.940 Almost. almost, but then, no, my, sorry, and I'll leave it at this, but none of the casts really seem to be listening to each other or working from each other. 286 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:13.200 They felt a bit lost. 287 00:21:13.259 --> 00:21:15.240 I blame the director because I agree with you. 288 00:21:15.299 --> 00:21:21.180 It had all the bones to be a really fun story, but it just doesn't gel as a piece of theatre. 289 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:33.119 Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm astonished that none of the human characters, sort of, Graham, Yas, Ryan, none of them laugh at the monster the 1st time they see it. 290 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:40.619 I feel like you would, until you see it, eat the engine part, and then you go, 0 my, 0 my god, what is this? 291 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:44.220 Like how the characters in Futurama react to Nibbler. 292 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:47.640 But again, I don't think that's the fault of the actors or even the fault of the script. 293 00:21:47.700 --> 00:21:48.539 I think that's the director. 294 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:54.240 And I didn't feel like any of the Tartar crew after that 1st incident were actually in any real jeopardy. 295 00:21:54.299 --> 00:21:55.140 Like, no. 296 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:56.819 Yeah, that's true. 297 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:02.160 This has taken off to be hypnotised or, you know, whatever, but they were all just there, you know? 298 00:22:02.220 --> 00:22:03.539 whatever. 299 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:05.700 The doctor is internally haemorrhaging. 300 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:07.740 These were major plot points that weren't addressed. 301 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:10.019 I don't think that was a major plot point. 302 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:18.359 I think that that was a way of making Jody be the last one to wake up and giving her something to do when she was sort of running around that was a bit more interesting. 303 00:22:18.420 --> 00:22:23.819 I think that that was that served a plot function to get us into the start of the episode. 304 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:27.059 So I wasn't surprised that that didn't actually go anywhere. 305 00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:33.720 But look, that's just about all we have time for, in fact. 306 00:22:33.779 --> 00:22:35.640 Well, I'm truly over time. 307 00:22:35.700 --> 00:22:39.960 So, we're going to... moment, isn't it? 308 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:43.980 We're going to sign off. 309 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:50.039 We'll be back next week for next week's episode, which we won't tell you the title of because I can't remember it and because I don't want to spoil you. 310 00:22:50.099 --> 00:22:58.079 And we are obviously in the throws of series one on Flight Through Entirety. 311 00:22:58.140 --> 00:23:13.920 So we'll be releasing our 1st episode on the finale, the big finale this Sunday, and you'll find us at Flightthroughentirety.com at FTE podcast on Twitter and Flight Through Entirety on Apple Podcasts. 312 00:23:14.220 --> 00:23:17.880 And I guess that's it for tonight. 313 00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:24.539 So thank you everyone for calling in tonight and we will catch up with each other. 314 00:23:24.779 --> 00:23:26.279 Next week. 315 00:23:26.819 --> 00:23:29.099 Thank you. you, everyone. 316 00:23:29.460 --> 00:23:32.339 Barbara's just so good in the space museum. 317 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:33.000 Got to say. 318 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:41.160 Come back, Anthony Stephen, all this forgiven. night. 319 00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:42.900 Why is this typewriter exploded?