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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody Interterterra, the

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only Doctor Who flash cast that could really go for a particle

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accelerator just about now.

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We're all here and we're here to discuss this week's episode, the

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Saranga, what's it called?

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Leila?

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The Saranga Leila conundrum.

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So, which is fitting really, actually, an amazing coincidence.

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So we've all watched it several times in the last sort of 24 hours

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or so and we all have bracing opinions to share.

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So I am going to throw to Todd, I think.

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Oh, I, I, I, I get to start again.

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Thank you.

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Brendan keeps refusing.

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Okay.

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Well, brace yourselves. everyone and listeners.

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Look, at the beginning of this, I really liked it.

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I thought that, you know, the Tartars has lost and it appears to

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be critical to the plot and then it wasn't.

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And then the doctor, you know, is injured more than the others.

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And that appears to be critical to the plot.

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And then it's really not.

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Um, I really like the 5th doctor, Neris Hughes sort of

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relationship with the male medic, um, pastos.

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And when he pulled up the selfish doctor, I thought that was

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brilliant.

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And I thought, this is great.

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This chemistry we're going to have all the way through.

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This is going to be wonderful.

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It felt very kinder at this stage, didn't it, Todd?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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I had someone heard that it was pretty.

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Very pretty.

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And then Sonic.

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And then and then I, yeah, I thought he was going to be critical

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to the plot.

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And then well, he wasn't.

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And then, of course, we had the Sonic, you know, getting eaten by

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the, the, the Tuping, and I thought, oh, that's going to be

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critical to the plot, and then it really wasn't.

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The moment we lost him, I began to lose hard a bit.

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I didn't bond with the characters of the general and her crew at

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all.

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I thought they were terrible cliches in their relationships. you

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know, she's lying about her, um, condition and then she turns out

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to be a pilot and I'm thinking when we, when they got to the

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asteroid thing, oh, yes, she's going to see them through the

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asteroids and she's probably going to die, and of course, that's

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the roof we went.

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But of course, we've just got people standing around, you know, in

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a, in a room, sort of wobbling around rather than actually seeing

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it, and and at a time in the episode later in the episode when I

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thought it was critical to sort of add some sort of oomph and

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action, and it just sort of slid into mediocrity.

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The shipped earlier on, looked wonderful, like Vivian Phase. like

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you know.

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It was.

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That was exactly what I thought as well.

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It was the hyperspaceship from Stones of Blood.

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And, you know, they were heading off to an invisible enemy medic

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you know, facility.

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And, you know, that...

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Pointless eye makeup.

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Yes, that was there.

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You know, I just got sick of all the technobabble, the

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technobabble to establish to the general, to establish the ship

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the location, the pregnancy.

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We heard, you know, threat level chalice up from beetroot.

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We sort of had these things, like in episode 2 where we were

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establishing the race and the currency.

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And I just thought, this is not, for me, it was like cliche, it

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wasn't clever writing, it was just like obvious sort of writing.

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I'm trying to be like RTD but I'm not half as clever.

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The female medic not having like having issues with her ability to

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step up sort of thing, you know, not sure of herself.

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Like, I just thought, oh, another cliche.

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And what sort of began to ruin it for me was the fact that a lot

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of the doctor's speeches, I didn't think were cleverly written.

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I just thought they were really quite banal and quite simple.

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And I didn't feel it when the doctor was talking to her to try and

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make her step up.

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I just, I was just losing heart with some of the dialogue that

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poor Jody was having to deliver and then she gave us a science

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lesson on whatever that, the, the, the antimatter thing.

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And I want her to have a voice that's not chibnals because I just

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think the writing in that other episode was so much better, short

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sharp, and she had great reactions, and this just was just getting

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painful.

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And then in the last 15 minutes, that the chimes music just began

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to get on my, like, the pan pipes from hell.

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I just wanted to stop.

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I wanted to stop.

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They were so annoying.

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I just wanted to halt the episode.

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Many can't watch picnic at hanging rock without feeling exactly

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the same way.

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Which one, the original or that terrible TV show?

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I wouldn't know about a remake.

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We don't do remakes on this podcast. consistent.

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We're doing it now, launches, yes, not remakes.

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We're talking NFTV about people standing around in corridors

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urgently talking and that seem to be happening all the time.

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We talked about, I was talking about, I think, in it, that I, what

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are these extra 8 minutes going to bring?

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And if you look at the extra 8 or 10 minutes, we had some lovely

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lovely work by Tossin and Amanda, when they were talking about his

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mum and dad, that was just beautiful.

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I mean, Graham's stuff about called the midwife was hilarious.

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And, um, we had the whole cliche males reacting to a pregnancy

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thing, which I was just rolling my eyes at.

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And, but, you know, spoiler alert people in episode 10, Chibmill's

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going to get Ryan to do the fist pump to Graham, like, you know

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call me out on that one.

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Yep.

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Oh, yes. absolutely.

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Yeah.

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Um, uh, uh, um, The Ting, like I'm typing, typing to, typing, drop

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the Y, typing person.

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No, it's the other around.

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Peting.

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I know, I know.

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They're going, yeah, really, like, I thought that thing was

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actually hilarious.

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The conundrum was better.

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It was after this food.

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Like, if it sense that big major power source, why didn't it go

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for it first, rather than all these little quantrain meals around

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the ship first, look.

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For me, you know, that 1st 15 minutes was like, you know, 9 or 8

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out, 9 or 10 out of 10, I just loved it.

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And then I just felt like rather than what I was wanting, but the

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episode just saw, it just glided into mediocrity.

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And this was my biggest fear with Gibinals writing.

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And so at the end of it, I was just there going, 0 my goodness, I

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can't give this any more than a four.

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Oh, my goodness.

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I was getting into the massacre territory there.

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It probably ended up in, it's in my bottom 10.

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I kind of feel like I'd rather go and watch the twins on them up.

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Oh, or, or, um, what's that?

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Or, um, the Tint Dilemma or, uh, Delta and the Bannerman.

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And for me, that's like, you know, a huge thing.

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Sorry guys.

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Sorry, everyone.

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You know, the stuff there was stuff I liked, but I just...

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The dialogue was just screwing me in.

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Well, um, all right.

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What did you think, Brendan?

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Look, um...

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Most seasons of New Doctor Who, halfway through the season, they

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have an episode that's fine.

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You know, the long game is fine.

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Lazarus experiment is fine.

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Vampire of Venice, caretaker.

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They're fine.

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But I kind of feel that we're down to 10 episodes a year now.

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With the same production period.

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We probably shouldn't be having just fine episodes anymore.

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And to be honest, I watched it again today.

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And I'm glad I watched it again today because I was going to be a

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lot more critical about it.

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But watching it again, um, kind of made me realise why it didn't

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work for me.

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There are things that did work.

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Todd's already pointed out that conversation between Ryan and

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Yaz.

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Not only well written, but really well performed on both their

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parts.

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Yaz continues to be criminally underused in my opinion, but she

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got some really good stuff in the 2nd half of the episode and I

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found myself thinking, Oh, Yas has been given a gun.

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Well, of course, Yaz has been given a gun.

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Yaz has training with firearms being a police officer and it made

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me realise Yaz being a police officer hasn't really factored into

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the plot in the last few episodes.

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That standoffs, yes.

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That last week, she didn't make a point of the fact that she was a

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police officer. personage.

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Yeah, when they're in the hotel the entire time.

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This guy is directing her with a gun and she doesn't go, watch it

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mate.

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I'm a police office.

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But Brandon, she's like, Lisa.

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She's like, Miss, when she gets a gun, she's brilliant.

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The giant vibrating machine.

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I thought that that scene with her and Jody...

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Sorry, I'm talking over you.

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Thanks to you, Brendan.

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Sorry.

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Oh, well, you're about to say the same with her, Jody, and the

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airlock, yeah?

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That was really good.

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You could have picked a higher number, but that was really good.

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But Todd, getting back to what you what you keep saying about Yaz

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being Nissa, well, yeah, she's a concept companion.

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The concept is that she is a police officer.

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She's trainee police officer.

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She wants to prove herself.

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She also has to deal with racism in her day-to-day life, and those

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concepts have been brought up, but they're only brought up when

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they're germane to the plot.

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Her character is currently a plot device.

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Which really, which really annoys me.

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Unless she gets stuff to do with Towson, and they bounce so

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beautifully off each other, but of course, Towson has to have lots

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of scenes with Bradley.

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So they keep pushing the ass off to the side.

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But where I with this episode fell down for me.

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And I don't actually think it's in the script because I think in

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terms of the writing and performances, this is the funniest

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episode so far this year.

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I had a few full on belly laughs while I was watching it, like

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that called the midwife stuff, for instance.

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But I think the direction of this episode really lets it down

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because.

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The conversation between Yaz and Ryan is beautiful.

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Why are they stopping?

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Why are they physically stopping during an emergency?

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You know, we've got a, we've got a dialogue about that, though.

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That is dialogue.

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I should get moving, but a lampshade to me is not an effective way

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to deal with that.

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They could just keep moving through the corridors.

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You know, there are psychologists around the world who find

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walking therapy is better than sitting therapy and not that they

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would make a point of that in the plot.

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But there are whole scenes, not just that one, whole scenes where

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it's like, um, okay, instead of just saying we're going to go over

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here and do this now, you should be moving towards that because

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you are in a very dangerous situation.

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You're also in a very tiny set.

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Like, there's not, there wasn't enough corridor for them to walk

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along for that scene.

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And I think that that's why there's still...

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If there's enough corridor in Blake 7, there's enough corridor in

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Doctor Who in 2018, I just feel, I just feel that the direction at

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many points just robs the tension of the performances and the

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script.

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Jennifer Perriot.

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I hope I'm pronouncing that right.

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New director to Doctor Who.

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Australian director, I'm really hoping that she's also directing

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next week's episode.

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I'm really hoping that that is gonna be an improvement.

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I think next week there's going to be location, you know, like I

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think that will help.

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Yeah, I think 7 out of 10 from me.

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Still 7 out of 10 because of all that other stuff, but just the

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direction really ground my gears.

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I think I think the real test for Yaz's character next week.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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I like next week's going to be the test for her character because

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they're they're centring her in the plot, they're coming back into

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her. forward to it.

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Yeah, into her own...

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Yeah, she's great.

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She's super charming. to deliver.

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Are you're cooking there, Todd, or?

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I'm not cooking anything.

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Not me.

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Is that you, Richard?

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No, I think that was just the plot falling out of the air long

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after that to start with.

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What did you think, Richard?

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Me, Michael.

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I have so many words, but most of them have been used already

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by...

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Oh, what's her name?

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I keep wanting to see Olivia Hussey, but the lovely skinny girl

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who played olive oil in Popeyeon was in Woody Allen, mini Woody

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Allen movies like Manhattan.

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Anyway, she played his girlfriend. will come back to me before I'm

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finished.

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When she describes sex with Woody Allen as lachrymose, Jejune, and

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Kath Karesque.

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And went on, and then she went on to...

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This might be the only podcast to describe this episode as Kafka

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esque.

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She went on to elaborate sign.

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I think she went on to have an affair with Carol Kane, who later

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turns up in in Kimmy Schmidt as the crazy lady downstairs.

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I found this.

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Yeah, I know.

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I love her too.

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And I, and I, and I love, I love, I love the 1st part that Todd

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was into so much and I was admiring that the set, the whole show

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had a, had a very 60s feel to it.

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And I was looking at a set thinking, all these corners and edges

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are actually incredibly expensive to build, and I can describe to

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you all the work that the plasterers and builders would have gone

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to.

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And then they went and stuck some Star Trek pipes on them, and I

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thought they deliberately trying to make this look cheap for a

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reason.

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It's a lovely harbinger to, um, to what was going on in the 60s

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and then maybe being pointed to again in the 80s and some of our

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favourite stories.

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So pretty much after that moment with the Sonic and the pregnancy

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and thing, I turned on twin dilemma and I...

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Turned the collar down because I'm not into self-harming through

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willingness anyway.

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So I turned the colour down and I really found it entertaining and

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the sets are gorgeous and they feel a lot like the space museum.

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So I went and turned on the space museum, and I can tell you

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that's a great story with really lovely steps and some terrific

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spaceships and lots of work in it.

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The performances are superb and witty, and there's a lot of

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Jonas.

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There a lot of standing around in corridors, prattling lines that

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don't seem to go anywhere and don't appear to have anything to do

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with any plot or any exegencies of any reason at all, and that the

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best people, such as Barbara, are left standing around with

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interesting haircuts, much like, um, Miss, uh, what's her name?

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Sorry, I just keep calling her Yaz, but yeah, much like much like

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my favourite character in this season, which is the police

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person.

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So yeah, I can hardly recommend to you both.

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The Space Museum and the twin dilemma with the colours turned

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down.

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I really enjoyed both of them last.

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So I think we could hear in the background of Richard's speech, our

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Marigold's Thermon.

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We've released the fees from it and it was making a beautiful

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sound in the background.

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So we have written 15 minutes.

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Um, I, I do want to say something, though, about the episode, which

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is that, um, I think that this is the new normal.

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I think the things that are being identified as flaws by all of us

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here, what we should really now come to expect from this season.

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The plots are very simple.

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And as Todd said, you know, that whole plot with Eve, Cicero was

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you know, it was very clear where that was going right from the

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beginning.

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And so, and there is a kind of linearity and a kind of, like a

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simplicity, I don't want to say a lack of ambition because I think

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it is a conscious reaction to what we've had for the last couple

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of years.

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And I do think that what they've decided to do, they're doing very

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well.

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I don't really agree with the criticisms of the look of the show.

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I thought it looked amazing this week.

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I did think it looked cheaper than other episodes, but I did

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think.

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It wasn't cheap. a cheap set.

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But it's not very big, though.

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You know, like it is just those 3 things.

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Yeah, that's right.

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I'm not joking.

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It's actually really hard to build those angles and corners.

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I would just ask you all, and I mean this quite legitimately.

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How would you feel about this if it wasn't an episode of Doctor

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Who?

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I think I would still have enjoyed it because I think what it is.

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It's a super mental remake of alien.

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And so you've got alien but instead of a xenomorph, you've got

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nibbler. you know, and suddenly it goes from being very standard

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science fiction to being something that's much more mental than

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that.

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And and the pregnant man who was not just there for laughs.

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I thought he was a nice performance and stuff, but it was also a

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character beat for Ryan as well.

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And so I did think that the standing urgently in corridors that we

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were talking about.

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We were talking about that at length on FTE this week.

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We've got a lot of it.

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You know, like we've got enough time for us to sort of...

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Yeah, well, we got enough time here for good actors to stand

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around and do character work.

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And that's what Chibnell does.

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And I thought the 1st 2 episodes...

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No one found the pace, no one knew tone.

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No one could work from each other.

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Jody was just projecting the lines because she really didn't know

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nobody knew what they were doing with their parts and it was all

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pitched at the same level.

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It was as bland and white as the set and it's the worst thing I've

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seen.

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I think on Doctor Who since the 2 episodes I mentioned, which I

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actually enjoyed a lot more last night.

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This was an absolute abomination, and I'm really shocked that it

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got through.

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All my fears of chibnol were absolutely cemented with this one.

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It was unwatchable.

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I managed to watch it through, but it's worst piece of shit I've

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ever seen on Doctor Who.

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I think you're all wrong.

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I loved it.

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Yeah, I thought it's one of the worst pieces of television I've

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seen recently.

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James.

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No, no, I loved it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I loved it.

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I mean, possibly because it's just the antithesis of what we've

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been getting for the last 5 or 6 years.

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It was very focussed on the characters.

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It was very focussed on onstanding urgently in corridors, having

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you know, conversations which would not have happened in the last

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like 5 seasons because...

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We love that my dinner with Andre action figure set thing

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that's...

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And I, I, look, I loved the fact that the alien wasn't evil.

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It just was hungry.

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And they said it away satisfied.

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Yeah, they said it away with a well-prepared meal.

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And yes, like only 2 characters die, one character, you know, yes

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it was a bit obvious that she was going to die from the moment you

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work out what's that she's ill.

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That's signposted very early on, but she dies with some amount of

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meaning.

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The other character, the pretty one that we wanted to survive the

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entire episode, unfortunately, dies very quickly, but he wasn't

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being given very much to do.

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But he was likeable.

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You want to make a character.

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You know, you don't want to see the character and go, oh, this is

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the throwaway character.

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You know, like you want to think he's going to be...

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So he can die with some amount of sort of impact.

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So it was a bit hackneyed.

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Look, I've always believed in new stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, look, it's nothing if not predictable or straightforward or

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kind of, you know, like it's not inventive dialogue by any

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stretch.

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But there's an attempt.

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You've got 8 characters.

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There's a massive attempt to give all of them except for Ronan

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something to do.

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And some kind of character arc.

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And, you know, there's enough there for the regulars, you know, to

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all get something as well. you know, and it had that RTD feel to

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the future where the future is kind of silly.

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Almost. almost, but then, no, my, sorry, and I'll leave it at this

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but none of the casts really seem to be listening to each other or

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working from each other.

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They felt a bit lost.

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I blame the director because I agree with you.

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It had all the bones to be a really fun story, but it just doesn't

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gel as a piece of theatre.

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Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm astonished that none of the human characters

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sort of, Graham, Yas, Ryan, none of them laugh at the monster the

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1st time they see it.

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I feel like you would, until you see it, eat the engine part, and

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then you go, 0 my, 0 my god, what is this?

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Like how the characters in Futurama react to Nibbler.

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But again, I don't think that's the fault of the actors or even

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the fault of the script.

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I think that's the director.

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And I didn't feel like any of the Tartar crew after that 1st

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incident were actually in any real jeopardy.

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Like, no.

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Yeah, that's true.

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This has taken off to be hypnotised or, you know, whatever, but

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they were all just there, you know?

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whatever.

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The doctor is internally haemorrhaging.

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These were major plot points that weren't addressed.

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I don't think that was a major plot point.

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I think that that was a way of making Jody be the last one to wake

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up and giving her something to do when she was sort of running

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around that was a bit more interesting.

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I think that that was that served a plot function to get us into

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the start of the episode.

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So I wasn't surprised that that didn't actually go anywhere.

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But look, that's just about all we have time for, in fact.

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Well, I'm truly over time.

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So, we're going to... moment, isn't it?

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We're going to sign off.

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We'll be back next week for next week's episode, which we won't

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tell you the title of because I can't remember it and because I

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don't want to spoil you.

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And we are obviously in the throws of series one on Flight Through

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Entirety.

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So we'll be releasing our 1st episode on the finale, the big

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finale this Sunday, and you'll find us at Flightthroughentirety

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com at FTE podcast on Twitter and Flight Through Entirety on Apple

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Podcasts.

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And I guess that's it for tonight.

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So thank you everyone for calling in tonight and we will catch up

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with each other.

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Next week.

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Thank you. you, everyone.

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Barbara's just so good in the space museum.

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Got to say.

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Come back, Anthony Stephen, all this forgiven. night.

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Why is this typewriter exploded?