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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back for the last time to Jody

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Into Terror, the only Doctor Who flash cast that really doesn't

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mind a good goodbye.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm James I'm Peter.

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And I'm Simon.

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Well, we're actually all here in the room together with champagne

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for our final episode.

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This is something that started 100s of years ago now with us all

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phoning one another up a night or 2 after the Doctor Who episode

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aired.

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And here we are, altogether, finally at last, to talk about the

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power of the doctor by Christopher H.

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Chibnall.

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So, um, I guess we're going to start and we're going to go round

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the table with the 1st question of the evening.

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Do you think this worked?

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Simon.

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Absolutely not However, that doesn't mean that I didn't have a

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really good time watching it.

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Yeah, okay.

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That's fair enough, Peter.

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I mean, I'm with Simon.

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It was, it was possibly the best thing that Chipmull was ever

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written.

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That shouldn't be confused with being actually good.

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Um, I think it was kind of just in his wheelhouse of kind of um

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nostalgia and useless mythology and frenetic action and somehow it

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all aligned.

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It was quite enjoyable.

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Yeah, yeah.

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What about you, James?

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I think it works in spite of the script.

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Yeah, I found it a complete mess, but it was charming.

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It had some lovely old actors that we love to see wheeled out

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occasionally.

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Jody ain't that old.

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She is by the end of it.

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Yeah, like it was fun.

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Yeah.

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The dialogue wasn't not too much.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to disagree with that later.

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Okay.

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Todd.

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I enjoyed it, you know, for a chibnal episode, I think he did

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rather well, but it's all that nostalgia stuff that really, for me

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seals the deal.

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Um, and um, the master stuff.

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Yeah, that's, yeah, I enjoyed it.

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But I think on repeated viewing, the plot or lack thereof may not

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hold up.

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What about you, Brendan?

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Yeah, I think the plot is pretty thin, but I think for that reason

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it does actually work.

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Sort of, all the Chekhov's guns we're given in the 1st half hour

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are fired by the end of it, and I think possibly my favourite one

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is, why is the master Rasputin is answered with the question

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because he wanted to dance to rah, rah, Rasputin in a really

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pretty palace.

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Why not?

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You know, it's actually just fun for the sake of being fun, which

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can be a bit of a rarity, this era.

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Yeah, I think that's true.

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Look, I thought that flux demonstrated that Chibnall was kind of

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at home with sort of blaring space nonsense.

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And so Wildflux doesn't kind of hold together and doesn't really

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seem to kind of amount to something at the end of it.

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There is a lot of noise and colour and vision and things on the

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way.

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And I thought that was what this did quite well.

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And like flux, occasionally good bits.

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Yeah, I think that's true.

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I think that's true.

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I did look pretty amazing, I think.

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I mean, you know, the train scene at the beginning has every sort

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of sign of just being a thing to use up running time, but...

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Well, no, to create excitement.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But also to give Dan a... that have space from in the plot.

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Right, back Ace and Tegan.

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But let's talk about Ace and Tegan.

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How do we think they came off?

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I mean, Sophie can still deliver.

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Yeah, I think so too.

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Um, yeah, I, look, Sophie's the highlight for me, I think like

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James, that's our era, you know, so we were always going to love

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seeing that.

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I think Janet did perfectly well.

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Once she was actually in the room with other people.

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Like, I think her phone call at the beginning was pretty painful

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was pretty painful.

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But when she's bouncing off other people, and especially that

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scene, she's bouncing off Pete.

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You know, that was that was lovely.

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But even, even though she's not on Sophie's on the same level as

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Sophie, it's still funny when she's, oh, I think I handled that

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quite well.

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Jason described it when we were watching it as she's your matronly

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old Australian aunt from Brisbane.

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She's Auntie Vanessa.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Actually, my matronly old Australian aunt has just visited from

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Brisbane.

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Actually, that bit where she says, yes, I would like to go into

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the TARDIS was so old school Bolshitigan, I enjoyed that.

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Yeah, there were some nice old Tegan moments in it.

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I just think having a 70 year old climbing down a lift shaft being

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shot by Cyberman is so great.

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What other show is doing that?

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How far does she...

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She falls quite away.

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See, I enjoyed her performance so much and I actually thought that

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Tegan ultimately was better served than Ace.

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That's Ace had moments, but I really liked Tegan when she went

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back in with Kate and just the interaction with the master and

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that sort of thing.

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I really got more out of Tegan than I did.

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What I'm curious to know, though, is how a general viewer

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especially a younger general viewer, would have taken it, because

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they are quite central to the plot, they get a lot of screen time

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it's not just a few cute cameos.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I was actually, you might not think this to look at me, but

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I actually went and saw my personal trainer this afternoon and he

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is a Doctor Who fan, but only of the new series.

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Not much past Matt Smith.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So it was kind of like, what on earth?

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Yeah, Matt, what are you going to make of this?

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is going to be baffling.

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We hadn't watched it when I saw him this morning.

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No, I spoke to him this afternoon and he hadn't watched it, but he

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said he would watch it tonight.

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He was prioritising House of the Dragon.

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Yes, exactly right.

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Prioritising working out with you.

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This personal trainer.

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He's not my personal trader, but he sees me at the gym and will

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say to me, when's Doctor Who coming back?

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And I told him weeks ago and he has, okay, fine, fine.

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No, really, Matt.

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It's fine.

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He does listen.

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That's why I just addressed him.

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You know, in fact, the funny thing was that all the people who

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watch Doctor Who, who I know watch Doctor Who at work, I went

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around like a good citizen and told them it was on and none of

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them had any idea.

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Like, I think a lot of people had checked out, I think, by this

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point.

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Well, it's been given no publicity here at all. true.

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I mean, I really enjoyed, obviously, seeing Tegan and Ace back, but

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I had a strong case of the what ifs because I kept thinking that

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Tegan's role actually should have been Mel because Bonnie would

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have fixed that problem because she's a recognisable quantity to

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the British viewing public.

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She's a current actress.

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She would have been the kind of guest star that the series would

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aim to get now if she hadn't played Mel in the classic series.

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And I just think seeing her and Sophie together and paired up

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would have been, you know, it would have been the sequel to

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Dragonfire that we always knew we never wanted. it might have

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given Colin something to do.

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So Colin just gets to be shapeshifting, you know, guardian guy, but

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for me, the the doctors, the best bits with the old doctors were

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obviously Tegan and Pete.

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And Sophie and Silv, although I have a massive problem with one of

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Silv's lines of dialogue, he's in favour of blowing things up

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isn't he, Brendan?

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Um, the thing is, the whole thing with him, an ace is he, he says

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he's not in favour of blowing things up, then tells her to go blow

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up beside, really, really.

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Yeah, but it ties in with what he says about, you know, I wanted

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to teach you.

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And that rankled me for a moment, and then I remembered, Chris

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Gibnall is writing this not for people who've read the new

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adventures because their makeup, like 2% of the audience.

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He's writing it for the people who may have just bought the season

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26 box set.

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So who, what's the, like the Venn diagram's a circle?

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I mean, what's the difference?

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There's this whole thing with that where she's she's she's fallen

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out with him.

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Don't see that in the series.

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That is the due adventure.

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Yeah, it's a little bit like the end of what, Love and War or

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something only less serious.

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I thought that was good.

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And I think that means that what we didn't know that and viewer at

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home didn't necessarily know that either.

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And I thought that those 2 scenes were good.

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But I think he made the decision to go with Tegan and Ace.

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So you're going to have that, and unfortunately, that means that

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Colin's not going to have that moment.

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But he was after David Bradley.

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He was suddenly, okay, David Bradley was there and I thought, oh

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okay, we're going to have that.

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I went, oh.

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And then he was the 1st one that appeared.

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So sort of like, that was his sort of, oh, wow, we're going to do

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that sort of moment.

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Did you know he would be in it, Tom?

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No, not at all.

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And I burst into tears.

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I just kind of thought it was, um, it was justice for them after

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the 50th.

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That's all I better say about that, you know?

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But how do we think it comes off?

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These quite elderly actors now.

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But I just think, well, it's Chipno is a fan of our ilk, and it's

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for me, and, you know, that's just the way the way it is.

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It's a celebration of the history of the show.

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It's I mean, it's not supposed to be a...

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Yeah, Russell's not going to do it.

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No.

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And Moffatt didn't do it. and he had the opportunity.

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But I think Russell and Moffatt in a sense make the right

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decision.

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That's true, but at least we get this.

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I think that to me.

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There's no overanalysing it.

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You take it on face value.

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It's enjoyable just to see our favourite doctors show up.

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And also, having just said, Chipnell is not writing this for the

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people who've read the new adventures.

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That's straight out of timeworm, the final timeworm book with the

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doctor encountering her past her past lights.

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But I thought it was so beautifully.

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I thought it was really beautifully well done, and I can't

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remember who it was now, but someone on Twitter said, it's

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interesting how Stephen Moffat said part of the reason he didn't

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bring back the most of the classic doctors for Day of the Doctor

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was it would be undignified to ask them to chuck on their old

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costumes just to do a couple of lines.

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And yet Chibnall does it here.

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And it's probably the most successful part of the episode, even if

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Silver's got his tank top tucked into his trousers, which only

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happened in time and the Rani, not when he was travelling with A

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Wave it your hand wave it away. wave it away.

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You know, oh, the interface is playing up.

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You look old.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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Don't say that to Brendan.

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Do, skin like an old Bible.

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Anyway.

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But I think I just think there's some really interesting things

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there.

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Like, I mean, obviously we see Mel at the end and, you know, well

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how did she get back to earth, you know, Big Finish can go and

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explore that.

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And also the pairing of Ace with Graham.

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You know, I actually thought, I thought from him, 0 my goodness

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he's going to go down the road of, because they're basically the

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same age. that Graham is interested in her and that's how it came

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across to me and I'm thinking, well, there's going to be lots of

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fan stuff about that.

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I think I said this in day of the doctor.

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That's what I always loved about the multi-doctor specials is when

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you get different companions paired up, different doctors

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companions.

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That's the great what ifs and that was a wonderful moment to have

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ace with Graham.

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I think that was one of my favourite parts.

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I think the appearance of the 80s doctors would have felt would

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have sat better for me, had just one of the 21st century doctors

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also appeared in it.

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I'm reminded about being a fan just before the show came back

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where I sort of suddenly realised that we've got all these ageing

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people that we're following, and they're just getting older and

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older and older, and the new series brought suddenly all the, even

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when we did the 96 telly movie and you had Yiji.

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So suddenly on stage, at a Panopticon with, I can't remember who

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he was with, it was Patricia Quinn.

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Talking about sequels to Dragonfire.

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And they just say Patricia Quinn was having a wonderful time.

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And so was he.

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But it's just that thing of, like, it was so wonderful to see this

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injection of, of youth.

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And that's what I, I was kind of having those feelings again when

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I was seeing these very old actors playing these parts supported

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by their now very old companions.

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I think if you'd have had Matt Smith appear even briefly, even

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Capaldi, even though he's not that young either.

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It just sort of felt, it would just sort of for me, had more of a

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connection across the series.

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This was a weird moment in time.

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I just don't think you're going to get it.

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Chris isn't going to do it.

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Tenant for obvious reasons isn't going to turn up earlier in the

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episode.

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Matt is, you know, as a career.

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So I think we're...

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No, I know they're a practical.

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I know there are a 1000000 practical reasons why that was never

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going to happen.

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But that's, I just couldn't help feeling that this is, this is the

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show that, from yesteryear that I wish was, you know, I'd rather

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remember it as it was rather than trying to recreate that.

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I just took all of those scenes on face value and really enjoyed

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them.

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Oh, no, I really enjoyed the scenes, but yeah.

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But for me, you know, chibnal scripts are often not really about

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anything in particular.

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And here there was some kind of unity because we actually had 4

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companion farewells one after the other.

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And I think they got down out of the way, not just because he

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would have just stood around Gormlessly for 90 minutes not

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achieving anything, like every other episode he's in.

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No, no.

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I love Dan.

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He's very charming. the flux.

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Well, it's just, you know, in this era, the companions aren't very

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proactive and don't tend to solve the problem.

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They tend to just be companions and waive the doctor to press some

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buttons on the Tarness console and solve the problem.

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But what it did do was it gave us the feeling from the off that

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this was going to be an episode about goodbyes.

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And so we got Dan, and then to our surprise, we got Tegan saying

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goodbye to her doctor.

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We got A saying goodbye to her doctor and then finally the one

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that we really cared about, which was Yaz saying goodbye to her

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doctor.

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Yeah, I think we did.

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Just in context at this point.

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You know, it kind of mattered.

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They've been together for 3 seasons or whatever and, you know, I'm

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kind of, I wasn't expecting anything about your team, which is

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what Peter and I..

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That was never going to happen, and I'm glad they cleared that

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away last episode.

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But I thought that was a good final departure.

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We'll talk about, we'll talk about it more later, but I thought it

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was well done.

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I think you're right.

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I think it was good to get Dan saying goodbye early on rather than

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having to try and rush everything at the end.

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Yeah, and he gets to come back in the end, like we see him again.

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But again, he's like virtually about every other episode he's in

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not really with the doctor or news very much.

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What I really liked about that last scene with Yaz and the doctor

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on the TARDIS is it consciously mirrors their scene on the beach

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at the end of Legend of the Sea Devils, where Yaz is clearly

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heartbroken and desolated to realise the doctor doesn't have the

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same feeling she has, despite the fact she, you know, she cares

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for her and likes her and admires her very deeply.

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Whereas this is them... cementing their friendship.

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And it's definitely, I think, Amanda's performance, still

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acknowledging that depth of feeling, but also acknowledging that

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the doctor's feelings for Yaz are just as important as Yaz's

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feelings for her.

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And the thing is, with all that buildup, and my God, Yaz carrying

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the doctor towards the TARDIS, inverting that vision that we've

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had with almost all the cases.

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Yeah, right from the case of Androzani, inverting that, yeah

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inverting that vision.

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Right from then, I'm like, how on earth will she leave?

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She won't leave.

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And it's so simple that the doctor just says, I want to do this by

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myself.

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And because they care for each other so much, Yaz respects that.

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And I'm like, that's actually perfect.

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I would, if her contract's up.

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That's the perfect way.

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I would have actually liked it to come from her as well.

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Like, I would like some acknowledgement where she knows that the

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doctor she loves is not going to be here anymore.

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And so she kind of agrees to go because as it is, it's pretty much

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like, yes, you're not contracted for next series.

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And I don't think Russell's going to want you.

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So you go away while I do this special effect scene.

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Dude, like, don't you think it would have worked better if she'd

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had more of a Martha type leaving?

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Yeah.

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She's admitted these feelings to the doctor that doesn't share

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them.

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She makes the active decision.

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I love you, but I have to look.

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But I need to get on with my life.

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Yeah.

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But early on, when Tegan says whatever line she says, we were once

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you.

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There is a look from her at that and I think it's adawning on her

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that that she's not going to be able to stay and she and it comes

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to it. and and hear all these people and she will be one of them

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sooner rather than later.

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And I think it's flagged in that particular moment.

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I do think I agree with you, Brendan.

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I love that shot of her picking up the doctor and going back, very

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few times in this era have I ever been moved and I was moved at

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that.

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Yeah, same.

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And like, I'm not a huge fan of Yaz.

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She hasn't made that much of an impact on me.

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And I'm not invested in your team at all.

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But those final scenes where everyone else is gathered around the

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console and it's Yaz who runs to get the doctor and carries her

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back in and then she's surrounded by her extended fam as she puts

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it.

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They did bring a lump to my throat.

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And I think Chibnall has a history of not landing these moments

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particularly well, but I think he got most of the way there.

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And I think that Mandip, in particular, did heavy lifting and

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brought it the rest of the way.

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Yes.

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There's also this wonderful moment when basically every big apart

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from one person in that console room is a woman.

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Yeah.

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Looking down on her, that's quite...

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Yeah, that's pretty amazing, isn't it?

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Because I remember one of the criticisms when John Bishop was

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announced for flux, was a lot of people said we could have had the

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1st all woman team TARDIS, you know, and you know, kind of like

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John Bishop's very talented and whatnot and what have you, but

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this is kind of just the same dynamic we've had before.

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And I think the writing of this may have been a response to that

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you know, because as you know, James, it's pretty much just very

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much towards the end, just Vinder and Graham, who were the men

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there.

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Yeah, I forgot, Vinda, he had nothing to do.

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He had a lot of exposition to deliver to that guy on the other end

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of the phone.

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I'm doing this.

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He looked depressive.

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I think maybe we just go straight into the regeneration and then

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talk about the blaring space nonsense at the end.

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I actually thought that that was a really strong sequence.

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I think the visual of the 2 of them sitting on top of the TARDIS

437
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eating ice cream. is really good, isn't it?

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And there's a moment where Jody kind of Jody's all surface, I

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think, in her performance, like she is the doctor who behaves in

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this sort of particular way.

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But there were little moments of actual Jody coming through, I

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think, there.

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And I was kind of thinking, why couldn't we have had more of this

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during the last few years because I think she's super charming.

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And she's been nothing if not, you know, an incredible kind of

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ambassador for the show.

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And I can't forget that thing she did during lockdown, from the

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cupboard, where she was reassuring us all that everything would be

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okay, where she really properly was the doctor in an extraordinary

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way.

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And I thought that she got to, she did a good job here.

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And she got those great lines.

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I love Doctor Whoever I'm going to be tag your ears.

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I think that's a really great final line.

455
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Yeah, that was really good.

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I think what sets it apart so much is it's.

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It's the happiest regeneration we've had.

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Um, you know, like Eccleston and Matt Smith are sort of

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bittersweet.

460
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Tennant doesn't want to go.

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Capaldi doesn't want to live.

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That's so miserable.

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Whereas, whereas Jody, like the sort of only negative reaction she

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has is, I've got so much more to do, and this, we're having so

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much fun, but if it's time, it's time, and I'm going to go look at

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this beautiful vista, and throw my hands out, and who, you know

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whoever you are or tag you're it, you know?

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And that whole thing of the blossom is blossom.

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Some people might have criticised it for, that's just the daisiest

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daisy.

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And I was one of those people, and then someone pointed out

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actually, it's from a Dennis Potter play.

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It's like one of the few times that Chip noise is actually saying

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look at this piece of culture.

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I think it's actually from a Buddhist Sutra, right?

476
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But I think that's lovely and I think that absolutely she gets to

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do that in her final scene.

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Why not?

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And we were saying earlier about the dialogue.

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I think that I don't think Chibnell is a great writer of dialogue

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but I think there are a handful of instances in this episode where

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he really delivers and there's some funny lines, especially given

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to Sasha.

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And he lands through a generation.

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Like it actually, it's a really good regeneration scene.

486
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So let's talk about Sasha and the blaring space nonsense.

487
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What the hell was all that?

488
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I don't quite know what the deal was.

489
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So he was going to do a thing and there was a planet that would

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help him and a whole heap of things happened.

491
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The volcanos turn to metal.

492
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And we had to be in 1916 for some reason.

493
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Well, that was the year that Rasputin died, but...

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When I 1st saw the master doing that, I thought he was going to

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try and prevent the October Revolution, it was kind of like, go

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off and do something and that might have been sort of slightly

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interesting.

498
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But it just doesn't go anywhere.

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It's like, here are a whole lot of ideas and I smoohed them

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together and this is what's come out.

501
00:22:46.980 --> 00:22:54.779
And then we needed that because then he would, um, unshrink, a

502
00:22:54.779 --> 00:22:56.940
shard and then have like the doll thing where they're all coming

503
00:22:56.940 --> 00:22:57.180
out.

504
00:22:57.240 --> 00:22:59.220
Yeah, but like what?

505
00:22:59.460 --> 00:23:04.619
And that the thing is that all of that was such sort of nonsense

506
00:23:04.619 --> 00:23:09.539
like, you know, and that's how she dies.

507
00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:14.519
I think that's a that's a bit of a problem because Eccleston's

508
00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:21.900
doctor dies to save Rose, Tenant's doctor dies to save Wilf, Matt's

509
00:23:21.900 --> 00:23:26.099
doctor lives a long life defending this little town from repeated

510
00:23:26.099 --> 00:23:30.720
alien invasions and then dies of old age and, you know, finishes

511
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:31.740
off the Daleks.

512
00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:38.940
And Capoli dies somehow, he's saving saving the people from the

513
00:23:38.940 --> 00:23:39.599
Cyberman.

514
00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:41.759
Well, I mean, he was just hugged a bit too hard.

515
00:23:41.819 --> 00:23:42.599
Yeah, that's right.

516
00:23:42.660 --> 00:23:47.279
Whereas Jody, like, things are firing beams at each other or

517
00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:50.220
something and she just gets caught in the crossfire.

518
00:23:50.220 --> 00:23:52.920
Yeah, there's sort of nothing to it.

519
00:23:52.980 --> 00:23:55.319
And I just thought that that was, that was the sort of thing that

520
00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:57.900
would have had my mother sort of shaking her head.

521
00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:00.599
You know, like I would have been enthusiastically watching it on

522
00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:02.880
Doctor Who, age 12 or whatever.

523
00:24:02.940 --> 00:24:05.940
And she'd be going, what is this nonsense?

524
00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:07.740
What are you watching?

525
00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:08.880
That was my childhood.

526
00:24:09.299 --> 00:24:14.519
It is actually a very strange regeneration to come up with as the

527
00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:17.700
only regeneration that this showrunner is going to do, that surely

528
00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:21.900
he's been thinking since he was six, how he would regenerate the

529
00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:22.259
doctor.

530
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:25.500
And I actually find this about the other modern era regenerations

531
00:24:25.500 --> 00:24:25.859
as well.

532
00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:27.960
I've actually been surprised by most of them.

533
00:24:28.019 --> 00:24:31.740
I haven't had what I would feel is what I would define as like a

534
00:24:31.740 --> 00:24:34.440
logopolis moment or a case avengers idea moment.

535
00:24:34.500 --> 00:24:37.500
And I know that, you know, Davis is effectively dying throughout

536
00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:38.640
because of the spectrum.

537
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:40.619
But it's done in a different way.

538
00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:43.140
It's not this thing of, oh, I'm about to regenerate.

539
00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:45.839
So let's all go and have a have some ice cream on the top of the

540
00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:46.200
tire.

541
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:49.259
So let's go and meet all my companions from my era before.

542
00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:52.319
It's all a bit, it all kind of takes away from that foreboding.

543
00:24:52.380 --> 00:24:53.819
I can't stop this.

544
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:56.220
I'm dying and away we go.

545
00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:01.140
There's already made solution there, which is she's just had her

546
00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:03.960
life energy stolen and then forced back into...

547
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:07.920
Yeah, but... reason and it's all going wrong. not lasting.

548
00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:09.000
I'm about to regenerate.

549
00:25:09.059 --> 00:25:10.980
Isn't that the reason that the master's going to die?

550
00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:11.819
Yes, exactly.

551
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:13.259
What even is that?

552
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:16.920
Is it a forced regeneration if someone pushes you off a radio

553
00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:17.519
telescope?

554
00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:20.039
You're not choosing it.

555
00:25:20.099 --> 00:25:21.240
Like, what is that?

556
00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:24.720
And it just operates according to the rules that the plot needs it

557
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:25.079
to operate.

558
00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:26.339
Well, that's that's true.

559
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:28.980
And as you were saying, Peter, like, you know, because it was

560
00:25:28.980 --> 00:25:32.700
reversed, then the master seems to be dying, but she's okay until

561
00:25:32.700 --> 00:25:37.079
he gets his little magic Zappa thing out on the planet and...

562
00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:38.220
And also, we're not clear on top.

563
00:25:38.220 --> 00:25:39.059
It's a vape.

564
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:44.519
We're not clear as to why he needs to get the doctor's

565
00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:45.180
refrigerated to him.

566
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:47.039
Is it because he's run out of every generation?

567
00:25:47.099 --> 00:25:48.900
which is always which used to be the thing.

568
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:50.940
But then what happened to Rasputin?

569
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:55.859
Is he just lying there kind of breathing quietly while he's in the

570
00:25:55.859 --> 00:25:59.220
box while Sasha doctor is over here doing this thing?

571
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:01.799
I have to say, I quite liked that.

572
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:06.839
I liked the fact that the master doesn't want to destroy the

573
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:07.140
doctor.

574
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:08.279
He doesn't want to rule universe.

575
00:26:08.339 --> 00:26:11.339
All he's ever wanted to be is the doctor, yes.

576
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:12.480
That is good.

577
00:26:12.539 --> 00:26:15.839
And that's what the episode is kind of hinting at all throughout.

578
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:22.200
And also it made me laugh because on that note, Chris Chibnall, who

579
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:25.380
just pulled out nonsense science and actually managed to be camp

580
00:26:25.380 --> 00:26:29.819
in this episode and was very enjoyable, did his own transformation

581
00:26:29.819 --> 00:26:31.380
into the thing that he hates the most.

582
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:33.660
He's finally become Pip and Jane Baker.

583
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:34.920
Oh, dear.

584
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:36.299
But we know about finally.

585
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.539
I thought when you were talking about Sashi, we were talking about

586
00:26:39.539 --> 00:26:42.180
how, I was going to say, he is the best thing in this.

587
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:43.440
Oh, yeah.

588
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:45.839
His dialogue is great too.

589
00:26:45.900 --> 00:26:49.019
Oh, yes, totally one of the best things in the entire era.

590
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:50.940
Yeah, it's not that thing.

591
00:26:50.940 --> 00:26:55.079
He raids the doctor's wardrobe for the crappiest things the doctor

592
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:55.980
has ever worn.

593
00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:58.859
Like, he's got celery on his lapel.

594
00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:00.119
It's so awesome.

595
00:27:00.180 --> 00:27:04.380
And the thing is, the celery on his lapel is the Abby short

596
00:27:04.380 --> 00:27:07.440
replica they sold that has a pin badge on the back, which at one

597
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:08.400
point you can see.

598
00:27:08.460 --> 00:27:10.380
And it's like, you know what?

599
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.599
Jamie Mag the Stone is actually an excellent director.

600
00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:15.480
I'm sure that was caught and he went, you know what?

601
00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:18.119
No, that's fine because you are all artifice.

602
00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:19.200
Yeah, he's cosplaying.

603
00:27:19.259 --> 00:27:20.039
Dr. Dawan.

604
00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:20.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

605
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:22.980
I love the bit where he says how he's fun.

606
00:27:23.099 --> 00:27:24.420
You know, I'm fun.

607
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:25.859
A different kind of fun.

608
00:27:26.220 --> 00:27:30.059
But do you remember in our SpyFall episode, we talked about the

609
00:27:30.059 --> 00:27:33.839
tantalising possibility that Yaz might actually end up as the

610
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:35.099
companion to the master.

611
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:37.259
And here it came tantalisingly close.

612
00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:40.559
Like, coming back to his campness.

613
00:27:40.619 --> 00:27:44.039
Like, I do love those moments when, you know, within the TARDIS

614
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:46.079
and he's like, I mean, I mean, her head.

615
00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:48.000
I said I'm in your head, love.

616
00:27:48.059 --> 00:27:52.380
Well, I love him, you know, inviting the soldiers to bunk down

617
00:27:52.380 --> 00:27:55.140
with him in a bunker and stuff, easy boys.

618
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:57.480
Like he's really funny.

619
00:27:57.539 --> 00:28:00.059
He's properly good and properly scary, I think.

620
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.839
He does mad in a way that I'm afraid John Sim just didn't.

621
00:28:03.900 --> 00:28:05.819
No, but also Scary mad.

622
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.759
Yeah, and you've got to give Chibnall kudos for that.

623
00:28:08.819 --> 00:28:13.500
Chipnall writes him as fun and gives him a lot of clever lines.

624
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:15.000
Chimmel is clearly capable of that.

625
00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:17.640
Yeah, and it's the thing that the master always does.

626
00:28:17.700 --> 00:28:20.160
You know, will the master be more fun than the doctor and I think

627
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:22.740
that that's always the kind of peril.

628
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:27.119
But, you know, like even the fact that he's not threatening them

629
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:31.380
but he's kind of saying, so you're going to feel safe with me in

630
00:28:31.380 --> 00:28:35.220
the building, you know, it's like not for a 2nd is he kind of

631
00:28:35.220 --> 00:28:37.920
stressed or anything about being locked up.

632
00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:41.460
In fact, he's making it clear that they will die because they're

633
00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:42.240
locking him up.

634
00:28:42.299 --> 00:28:45.119
He's so good. really is fantastically great.

635
00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:47.940
Which is why, as you say, Chimney was capable of doing, you know

636
00:28:47.940 --> 00:28:49.440
he's got the good dialogue here.

637
00:28:49.500 --> 00:28:52.200
He can, you know, pick good actors there.

638
00:28:52.259 --> 00:28:58.799
What he's lacking is an overall ability to craft something, which

639
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:02.759
puts all those things together in a way which is satisfying

640
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:05.579
because that's what for me is the problem with this.

641
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:09.000
I was engaged, which is which I wasn't for about 50% of the flux

642
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:11.460
episode and I haven't been for about 50% of the episodes of this

643
00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:11.819
era.

644
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.059
They're just on and I watched them and then they're over.

645
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.880
But like the 2nd episode of Lux, for instance, I remember us all

646
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.220
saying, it was. on the edge of my seat.

647
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.319
Now, I wasn't on the edge of my seat for this, but I was engaged.

648
00:29:22.380 --> 00:29:24.359
I wasn't going, 0 my god, when will this be over?

649
00:29:24.420 --> 00:29:27.299
I was really enjoying it, even though I thought it was quite

650
00:29:27.299 --> 00:29:27.839
rubbish.

651
00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:31.619
So, but what it is, there was all these set pieces, all this

652
00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:31.980
stuff.

653
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:35.099
But as I keep saying, it's all sort of been thrown up in the air

654
00:29:35.099 --> 00:29:38.759
and it's just landed where it lands and he's gotten the sticky

655
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:41.880
tape and glued bits of it together and some of it doesn't quite

656
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:44.160
make sense, but it doesn't matter because we're shooting from

657
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:44.460
tomorrow.

658
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:45.420
Yeah.

659
00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:51.720
But also it feels like he's doing... doing the big season finale

660
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:53.759
red generation story shtick for a lot of it.

661
00:29:53.819 --> 00:29:56.940
You know, you've got a musical number.

662
00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:58.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

663
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:03.359
You've got Daleks inside men interacting with each other.

664
00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:04.200
For no apparent reason.

665
00:30:04.259 --> 00:30:06.960
Oh, the ones where they look at each other when he's doing the

666
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:07.859
Raspberry thing?

667
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:09.059
I think that's genuinely funny.

668
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:10.319
Yeah, that's nice, mate.

669
00:30:10.380 --> 00:30:11.579
He's got a hologram doctor.

670
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:12.119
Yes.

671
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:12.839
Yeah.

672
00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:14.160
Plenty of hologram doctors.

673
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:18.720
Yeah, I mean, I do think he missed a trick by not bringing the

674
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:23.640
13th doctor full circle and having a fall off that cliff at the

675
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:23.880
end.

676
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:25.440
That would have been the woman who fell to her.

677
00:30:25.500 --> 00:30:28.680
I actually expected her to come in through the roof of the train

678
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:29.759
in the 1st scene.

679
00:30:29.819 --> 00:30:31.740
I thought, well, this is her last episode.

680
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.740
Maybe she comes in through the roof of a train again, which I

681
00:30:34.740 --> 00:30:36.599
guess she sort of does, but it's the cyberman.

682
00:30:36.660 --> 00:30:37.319
Oh my god, yes.

683
00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:37.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

684
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:38.819
No, no, she does.

685
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:40.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

686
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:43.500
But when they, but when they initially do the whole, I, I thought

687
00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:45.779
Jody was going to appear as a kind of fake out.

688
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.000
What do we think of the cybermasters?

689
00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:51.359
Cyberthalias.

690
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:52.019
I thought they were cool.

691
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:53.339
Yeah, they are.

692
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:55.319
Well, I mean, they were used the way they were always going to be

693
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.900
used, which is drop down dead and regenerate and then come back

694
00:30:57.900 --> 00:30:58.740
and blow people away.

695
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:01.859
And then you've got a shard and what, you know, he's been cloned

696
00:31:01.859 --> 00:31:05.460
and he's not angry with the master, really, and the Daleks are

697
00:31:05.460 --> 00:31:08.099
kind of the, I loved that line about the cloning.

698
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:10.259
What a throwback to dimensions in time.

699
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:12.359
Not before she cloned me there.

700
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.680
And what about the master's Dalek plan?

701
00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:20.880
That was my line from the 90s.

702
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.240
He was actually in the audience.

703
00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:27.900
Well, could, could Pete McTie have told him?

704
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:30.240
You're not going to laugh about it.

705
00:31:30.299 --> 00:31:30.660
Who knows?

706
00:31:31.859 --> 00:31:35.940
I don't know why they're not called the Cyberlords, for God's

707
00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:36.240
sake.

708
00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:38.400
Yes, I have a lordship doing better.

709
00:31:38.460 --> 00:31:40.680
But I actually thought when they started at the Simon started

710
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:44.099
regenerating in that 1st scene, I thought, oh, I was hoping we

711
00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:45.180
were just going to forget this ever happened.

712
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:47.759
But it is used for a plot point.

713
00:31:47.819 --> 00:31:50.880
They harnessed the regeneration energy to get the doctor back.

714
00:31:50.940 --> 00:31:53.339
But I mean, they could have just done anything because we're just

715
00:31:53.339 --> 00:31:54.420
making rules up.

716
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.119
Oh, so do we think that the master taking all of that regeneration

717
00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.940
energy from the cybermen in order to do the force regeneration

718
00:31:59.940 --> 00:32:02.279
thing, do we think that's now cleansed to the history of the show

719
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:03.240
of this phenomenon?

720
00:32:03.299 --> 00:32:05.160
No, I...

721
00:32:05.220 --> 00:32:06.660
We'll just never speak of it again.

722
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:07.259
Yes, exactly.

723
00:32:07.259 --> 00:32:08.279
That's what I was hoping.

724
00:32:08.339 --> 00:32:12.539
But like he named them cybermasters because he's...

725
00:32:12.539 --> 00:32:13.079
He's the master.

726
00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:14.700
Yes, it's his ego, yeah.

727
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:15.900
Yeah, he's an ecodist.

728
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.960
And speaking of, Simon, how I wished for an appearance by Tech

729
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:19.559
Teune.

730
00:32:20.579 --> 00:32:21.960
Really?

731
00:32:22.019 --> 00:32:22.559
Okay.

732
00:32:22.619 --> 00:32:24.420
I'm quite glad that he...

733
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:25.140
Oh, and Dr. Ruth.

734
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:27.599
Yeah, Dr. Ruth got to appear for some reason.

735
00:32:27.660 --> 00:32:29.880
I'm quite glad that he ignored that.

736
00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:30.420
Yeah.

737
00:32:30.420 --> 00:32:32.579
And then but we did have that little girl.

738
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:34.980
And she was she that creature?

739
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:35.640
Yeah.

740
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:37.619
Yeah, she was like...

741
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.380
Because then I just sort of went back and thought, is it like the

742
00:32:40.380 --> 00:32:43.380
power of 3 episode where he's got a little girl in that being.

743
00:32:43.380 --> 00:32:44.160
Oh, yeah, he does too.

744
00:32:44.220 --> 00:32:46.440
Or the timeless child or whatever.

745
00:32:46.500 --> 00:32:47.940
I don't know. kind of lost it there.

746
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.640
But this is the thing that I'm saying about crafting the ideas

747
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.940
together because that's actually quite a nice idea, right?

748
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:58.980
Um, of, you know, it's this bizarre creature, but it's hiding

749
00:32:58.980 --> 00:33:00.299
itself, making it look like a child.

750
00:33:00.420 --> 00:33:03.480
But because that's revealed so quickly, there's just no

751
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:05.460
opportunity to have absorbed any of it.

752
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:07.619
And so I go, oh, okay, okay, that's a thing.

753
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:08.460
And now we move on.

754
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.480
And so there's absolutely no suspense or drama or anything about

755
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.240
say, poor Jody got to explain us, tell us all about it.

756
00:33:15.299 --> 00:33:16.019
It's all the explanation.

757
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:18.240
I was just there going, oh, please stop.

758
00:33:18.299 --> 00:33:18.599
Yeah.

759
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:23.099
The thing I didn't like about that hyper-powerful space creature

760
00:33:23.099 --> 00:33:28.500
or what have you is, okay, but so why isn't it the Ux or the solar

761
00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:32.279
tract or the timeless child or all the other hyper-pandimensional

762
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:33.119
space creatures?

763
00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:34.140
We've had this era.

764
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:35.940
Why not bring one of them?

765
00:33:36.180 --> 00:33:36.720
the frog back.

766
00:33:36.779 --> 00:33:38.940
Bring the frog back.

767
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:39.960
About the patting.

768
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.480
Now that would have been funny.

769
00:33:42.539 --> 00:33:44.279
It has been back.

770
00:33:44.339 --> 00:33:47.339
Or a super intelligent shade of the colour blue.

771
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:49.200
Yeah, exactly. or even Benny.

772
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:51.900
Which Benny?

773
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:54.660
Actually, Todd.

774
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.359
I'll tell you what, something I would have absolutely loved

775
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.599
because when Ace and Graham attacked the volcano, suddenly there's

776
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:04.559
only one Dalek there to deal with, I would have loved if Ace

777
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:08.159
throws out some Nitro 9, but Graham's got a backpack and, oh my

778
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:09.239
god, I'm out of Nitro.

779
00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:09.840
It's all right.

780
00:34:09.900 --> 00:34:13.440
Ive got a little mate and Graham pulls out a potato that eats the

781
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:14.039
Daleks.

782
00:34:14.099 --> 00:34:15.599
Yes, and the drill.

783
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:17.639
At the drill.

784
00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:20.099
And Ace says, where did you get that?

785
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:21.179
Don't ask.

786
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:22.739
And you know what?

787
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:23.760
For once, that'd be fine.

788
00:34:23.940 --> 00:34:27.840
I'm very happy with the don't ask or I'll explain later.

789
00:34:27.900 --> 00:34:29.039
I don't mind that.

790
00:34:29.099 --> 00:34:30.840
No, I don't want explanations.

791
00:34:30.900 --> 00:34:34.559
We did have the master doing a sort of return, you know, tying

792
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.679
Jody up and explaining what was going to happen to her again.

793
00:34:37.739 --> 00:34:39.179
Except I enjoyed it.

794
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:40.440
Yeah, well, he was more fun.

795
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:43.019
What was his line when he said when she said, how did you escape

796
00:34:43.019 --> 00:34:43.800
from Gallifrey?

797
00:34:43.860 --> 00:34:44.519
And what did he say?

798
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:45.059
excellent time?

799
00:34:45.179 --> 00:34:46.260
Well, just learn something about it.

800
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:47.699
Excellent forward planning.

801
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:49.199
Yes exactly. that's great.

802
00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:50.219
Perfect. all we did.

803
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:50.880
Yes exactly.

804
00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:56.340
I will also say the master's whole thing of force regenerating the

805
00:34:56.340 --> 00:35:00.539
doctor actually looks like what Eric Roberts is trying to do to

806
00:35:00.539 --> 00:35:01.440
Paul McGann in the movie.

807
00:35:01.500 --> 00:35:03.420
Yes, I thought the same thing.

808
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:04.320
Yeah, yeah.

809
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.320
In which case it's like, that's great.

810
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:13.320
And as we've alluded to Dr. Ruth coming in and other side men all

811
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:15.360
shooting through her because she's a hologram.

812
00:35:15.420 --> 00:35:20.039
I just love how every appearance of Joe Martin in a scene is just

813
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.480
I'm breaking the show now.

814
00:35:21.539 --> 00:35:22.860
Thank you very much.

815
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:26.760
Like, I'm reversing a regeneration or I'm fritzing in and out of

816
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.760
being Jody or hello, let's take it from the top.

817
00:35:29.820 --> 00:35:30.539
I'm the doctor.

818
00:35:30.659 --> 00:35:33.659
It's like, yes, you bring Joe Martin in to break the show.

819
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:35.340
She is really great.

820
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.039
And you know, Brendan, with that telemovie connection.

821
00:35:38.099 --> 00:35:41.579
Having faced Eric Roberts in those swishy robes, that's the reason

822
00:35:41.579 --> 00:35:43.619
that Paul McGann doesn't do robes.

823
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:49.139
I actually genuinely think that Paul McGann said, yeah, no, sod it

824
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:49.860
not putting that on.

825
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.980
And then they just they just wrote around it.

826
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:56.519
Oh, we have this in wardrobe from night to the doctor.

827
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:02.699
So let's talk about the ending, the ending, ending, and the

828
00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:06.719
surprise appearance of David Tennant as the doctor.

829
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.960
The Grover Cleveland of...

830
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:14.639
Well, I believe he's going to be called the 14th doctor.

831
00:36:14.699 --> 00:36:15.360
Oh, yes.

832
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:16.440
So he gets numbered.

833
00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:19.920
Yeah, so he's the 10th and 14th doctor.

834
00:36:19.980 --> 00:36:24.059
Thank God you chose Grover and not potentially Trump. 11th and

835
00:36:24.059 --> 00:36:28.920
14th Yes, we knew that he had a problem with vanity or something.

836
00:36:28.980 --> 00:36:31.139
Yes, vanity issues at the time.

837
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:34.320
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, there were a lot of absurd

838
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.199
theories online in the lead up to it, that he was going to be the

839
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.119
master or he was going to be something else.

840
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:42.960
And, like, the way that you change actors playing the doctor in

841
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.440
this show is the doctor regenerates into another actor.

842
00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:48.840
That's the whole purpose of regeneration.

843
00:36:48.900 --> 00:36:51.960
And so it was clearly just going to be that.

844
00:36:52.019 --> 00:36:58.079
And I laughed out loud, obviously, at his 1st line because it's a

845
00:36:58.079 --> 00:36:59.280
proper payoff, isn't it?

846
00:36:59.340 --> 00:37:02.880
And, of course, we all knew he was going to go, what, what, what

847
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:04.079
going into the closing?

848
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:06.840
And I like the 2nd what was about the regenerated clothes?

849
00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:09.360
Yeah, that's only happened once before.

850
00:37:09.420 --> 00:37:10.679
Oh, with trousers.

851
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:11.159
Well, twice.

852
00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:11.940
Twice.

853
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:12.239
Really?

854
00:37:12.300 --> 00:37:12.840
What was the other one?

855
00:37:12.900 --> 00:37:15.960
Tom Baker's boots for generations, Peter Davidson socks.

856
00:37:16.019 --> 00:37:17.099
Yeah, true.

857
00:37:17.099 --> 00:37:20.400
But I mean, this is clearly there because they didn't want to have

858
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.219
tenant running around in Jody's costume, I think.

859
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:24.719
Oh, well, that's in its...

860
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:26.219
Well, it could be about studio, surely?

861
00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:28.619
No, that's not what the next episode.

862
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:29.579
Maybe.

863
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:33.360
I think they will make it a plot point, but I think that just that

864
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:36.420
you know, it's a different production team, they may not have

865
00:37:36.420 --> 00:37:38.099
access to the costume.

866
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:39.539
Oh, so it would have just looked stupid.

867
00:37:39.539 --> 00:37:42.179
And it looked stupid, although it looked quite good on Sasha.

868
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.719
Yeah, but that's camp, and that was meant to be camp, and this is

869
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:46.500
not meant to be camp.

870
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:48.900
Yeah, David Tenner is never knowingly camp.

871
00:37:49.739 --> 00:37:53.639
I think as well that they were shot a few months apart.

872
00:37:53.699 --> 00:37:58.860
Because Jody said when I shot my half of the regeneration, the

873
00:37:58.860 --> 00:38:01.019
other actor wasn't there to shoot their half.

874
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:04.559
And it's evident that he's not on the cliff.

875
00:38:04.619 --> 00:38:07.559
The rest of it's just shot against screen screen with the

876
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:08.039
Tartars.

877
00:38:08.099 --> 00:38:10.139
Yeah, but they've got very good at that now.

878
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:11.099
Oh, yeah, definitely.

879
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:11.699
Oh, yeah.

880
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:12.179
Yeah.

881
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:14.940
It's funny for a moment because, I mean, for me, it's like that

882
00:38:14.940 --> 00:38:15.179
thing.

883
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.400
I mean, we know that tenant's coming back and so on like that, but

884
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:17.940
I wasn't sure.

885
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:20.639
Are we actually really going to have the doctor regenerate back

886
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:23.340
into David Tennant or is it going to be something an open-ended

887
00:38:23.340 --> 00:38:24.900
regeneration and we're not really going to know.

888
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.780
So when the camera pulls back and Jody's just regenerating.

889
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:30.480
I was wondering whether, oh, we're just going to go to the credits

890
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.099
and it's going to be a to be continued winner.

891
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:34.199
A power boosted open-ended regeneration.

892
00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:34.619
Exactly.

893
00:38:35.340 --> 00:38:39.840
But anyone who has a clue about how the show works would just

894
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:45.239
never do that because the whole thrill of tuning in to a doctors.

895
00:38:45.300 --> 00:38:47.639
Well, part of the thrill of tuning into a doctor's final episode

896
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:50.940
is seeing who replaces them and what they do.

897
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:54.840
And, you know, Russell obviously delivered in that last 20 seconds

898
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:55.559
of the episode.

899
00:38:55.619 --> 00:38:57.960
Probably explains why Wargames 10 rated so poorly.

900
00:38:58.019 --> 00:39:02.519
I have to say that scene tenant back gave me a warm glow, much

901
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:03.480
like Jodie had just had.

902
00:39:04.380 --> 00:39:06.659
I was happy to see him back.

903
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.340
It was like welcoming back an old friend.

904
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:09.000
Yeah.

905
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:10.320
Right.

906
00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:11.340
Well, I wasn't.

907
00:39:11.460 --> 00:39:12.360
Oh, really?

908
00:39:12.420 --> 00:39:16.800
And I just sat there going, this is like, we've been there, we've

909
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:17.099
done that.

910
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:18.300
Do we really need him again?

911
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:20.159
That's what I felt, right?

912
00:39:20.219 --> 00:39:22.800
I thought it was a jump, the shark moment perhaps, in the show.

913
00:39:22.860 --> 00:39:25.739
So we're going to see what that was.

914
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.119
And I wasn't, you know, I haven't been a big fan of Jody and so

915
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:34.320
everybody's been praising all of that stuff leading up to the

916
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:35.039
regeneration.

917
00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:38.280
And I quite liked it, but I just didn't have the emotional impact

918
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:38.820
for me.

919
00:39:38.820 --> 00:39:42.480
And, you know, she is gone and I'm okay with that.

920
00:39:42.539 --> 00:39:47.340
I mean, we've got tenant for 3 episodes and it's going to be a

921
00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:47.699
special.

922
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.340
I don't think we'll get the chance to get tired of him.

923
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:53.460
Well, it's over 3 weeks as well.

924
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:54.659
Oh, is it?

925
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:56.820
3 weeks in November.

926
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:59.340
In November, so there's nothing now until November, next year.

927
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:00.900
Can you recapture the past?

928
00:40:01.019 --> 00:40:02.820
Well, I think you probably can.

929
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:06.239
I mean, he was the doctor at the point where the show was at its

930
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:11.579
very most popular and the show has kind of sunk into obscurity

931
00:40:11.579 --> 00:40:14.039
particularly given the different televisual landscape where

932
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:17.880
there's so much competition to just broadcast television that the

933
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:20.760
show has to do something big that is going to bring people back.

934
00:40:20.820 --> 00:40:23.639
David Tennant, I think, has the ability to cut through with the

935
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:24.119
general public.

936
00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:24.900
Yeah, absolutely.

937
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:27.659
That's Russell's instincts and I think they're the right ones.

938
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.900
I still, I would agree with Todd, though, that I actually think

939
00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:33.719
that both the decision to bring Tenant back, but also the episode

940
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:37.440
we've just watched is a great big jumping the shark moment.

941
00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:42.659
Now, it may pay off with Tenant, and yes, and because we already

942
00:40:42.659 --> 00:40:44.579
know that Shitigat was coming and he's going to be so different

943
00:40:44.579 --> 00:40:45.719
and so on like that.

944
00:40:45.780 --> 00:40:47.880
So maybe that's going to paper over that.

945
00:40:47.940 --> 00:40:51.360
But I had the same, as soon as I heard he was coming back.

946
00:40:51.420 --> 00:40:53.340
Well, actually, to tell you the truth, as soon as I knew Russell

947
00:40:53.340 --> 00:40:54.059
was coming back as well.

948
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.659
I thought the show has just jumped the shark.

949
00:40:57.719 --> 00:40:59.760
Um, that's, this is, this is not good.

950
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:03.539
Yeah, because it becomes something that only a couple of people

951
00:41:03.539 --> 00:41:04.019
can do.

952
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:09.480
If only Russell can do it successfully, how, like what's its long

953
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:09.900
term future.

954
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:14.039
But also, I also wonder whether having a previous doctor

955
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:16.860
regardless of how popular he was, regardless of how the fact that

956
00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:18.840
oh, it was the peak of the popularity of the show and the modern

957
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:21.780
era, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you're still effectively

958
00:41:21.780 --> 00:41:27.300
belittling the era or era that have preceded them by saying, we

959
00:41:27.300 --> 00:41:28.739
need to get this show back on track.

960
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:29.699
You were all rubbish.

961
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:32.760
The only way to do that is to bring back the most popular doctor.

962
00:41:32.820 --> 00:41:36.119
It would be like Tom Baker coming back after Davidson or after

963
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:36.780
Colin.

964
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:39.000
It would have been the same kind of thing.

965
00:41:39.059 --> 00:41:42.119
Do you remember verity was going to bring back pertweed?

966
00:41:42.179 --> 00:41:43.380
those rumours?

967
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.260
Oh, in the 90s when it was going to be after, yeah.

968
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.019
And then Jant was going to bring back Sarah Jane.

969
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:53.099
And Sidney Newman wanted to bring back Trouton after Colin Baker.

970
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:56.579
But also, you can't divorce the fiction from the real life.

971
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.940
Something needs to be done to restore the program's good graces.

972
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.440
And I think this might be the way to go.

973
00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:02.460
I disagree with all of you.

974
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:03.900
Yeah, no, I'm with you.

975
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:07.500
I think this is a good decision And it's the sort of thing that I

976
00:42:07.500 --> 00:42:08.820
would expect Russell to do.

977
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:12.119
And it is just a special. like having David Tenner back for the

978
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:12.599
50th.

979
00:42:12.659 --> 00:42:14.699
We have David goes back for the 60s.

980
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:17.519
Yeah, we've just had a multi-doctor story with old companions

981
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:19.679
returning and the master and the Daleks and the sidemen.

982
00:42:19.739 --> 00:42:21.119
So what are we going to do for the 60th?

983
00:42:21.179 --> 00:42:22.860
I think this is a perfectly legit...

984
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:26.880
But I also think that that is inward looking and a bad decision.

985
00:42:26.940 --> 00:42:30.840
And as you said, at the top of this episode, that the instinct

986
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.139
that both Russell and Moffin had about being the 20th century

987
00:42:34.139 --> 00:42:37.619
doctors back to not bringing them back was the right one.

988
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:42.239
And I think watching this episode, I still think it was the right

989
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:42.539
one.

990
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:46.920
As much as I enjoyed it, but I think that the show has become even

991
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:51.360
more inward looking than it ever has been at its worst moments in

992
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:51.599
the past.

993
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:54.840
Yes, I would have preferred Nicola Tesla's Knights of Terror part

994
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:55.079
two.

995
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:59.579
That is also terrible, but differently terrible.

996
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:04.500
This is terrible for a more fundamental reason rather than that's

997
00:43:04.500 --> 00:43:05.519
just an episode that's a bit bad.

998
00:43:05.579 --> 00:43:06.179
All right.

999
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:07.980
I think we're going to wind up.

1000
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:12.599
So I do want to say one thing about the self-help group at the

1001
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:12.719
end.

1002
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:13.500
Oh, yes.

1003
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.780
Why couldn't they be at a pub or a restaurant?

1004
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:16.139
restaurant?

1005
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:17.820
Chipper is such a robot.

1006
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:21.960
He turns it into an AA meeting where having been with a doctor is

1007
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:22.739
a giant trauma.

1008
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:23.400
Yes.

1009
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:24.780
Why doesn't everyone...

1010
00:43:24.780 --> 00:43:26.639
Graham invites them to his house?

1011
00:43:26.699 --> 00:43:29.880
Yes, and they all have a party and they're all laughing and joking

1012
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:32.940
by the time this thing about the fact that being with a doctor and

1013
00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:35.820
the new adventure started, this, the fact that it's the most

1014
00:43:35.820 --> 00:43:38.280
traumatising experience you'll ever have, and you'll never be the

1015
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:38.639
same again.

1016
00:43:38.699 --> 00:43:39.420
Correct.

1017
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:41.940
You'll never be the same again, but for a whole lot of wonderful

1018
00:43:41.940 --> 00:43:43.019
good rings.

1019
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.000
And you go on and do wonderful things.

1020
00:43:45.059 --> 00:43:48.599
Even with Tegan, and even to some extent, Ace during this episode

1021
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:51.480
they're presented as being somewhat broken.

1022
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:56.940
We saw that and even with being Sarah back in school union, she's

1023
00:43:56.940 --> 00:43:58.260
broken by the experience.

1024
00:43:58.320 --> 00:43:59.219
They've got to be.

1025
00:43:59.579 --> 00:44:02.099
I'm solving the world's problems because of what the doctor taught

1026
00:44:02.099 --> 00:44:02.280
me.

1027
00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:07.559
I got something completely different out of that scene because Ace

1028
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:11.280
and Tegan come into this and they are they are doing stuff and

1029
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:12.659
investigating stuff themselves.

1030
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:16.079
And the idea that the doctor might be getting into contact gives

1031
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:21.300
them trepidation, but not necessarily sadness and the group

1032
00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:24.300
atmosphere at the end, you know, they are like, like they are

1033
00:44:24.300 --> 00:44:25.199
laughing and joking.

1034
00:44:25.260 --> 00:44:26.820
Graham's like, I've had lots of adventures.

1035
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:29.039
I'm going to tell you about them and everyone starts laughing and

1036
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:33.000
oh my god, the doctor's a woman and Yaz doesn't even say she's

1037
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:34.079
gone off to regenerate.

1038
00:44:34.139 --> 00:44:38.280
She just says, she'll be fine because she's the doctor, you know.

1039
00:44:38.340 --> 00:44:42.119
And I had this really horrible thought and you are all going to

1040
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:42.960
hate me, I promise.

1041
00:44:43.019 --> 00:44:45.119
And I'm setting that up because you're all going to hate me

1042
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:51.480
because what they need isn't a new direction in life or something

1043
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.119
like that, but they need to talk to people who just understand

1044
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:55.739
their experiences.

1045
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.440
And that is the power of the doctor.

1046
00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:02.579
The power of the doctor is the friends we've made along the way.

1047
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:04.380
Oh, no, it absolutely is that.

1048
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:06.119
And I think that's absolutely what it is.

1049
00:45:06.179 --> 00:45:07.500
But do it in a pub.

1050
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:08.519
For God's sake.

1051
00:45:08.579 --> 00:45:12.119
Not in a circle of chairs with sticky on name tags.

1052
00:45:12.179 --> 00:45:13.559
No, you see, that's Graham.

1053
00:45:13.619 --> 00:45:15.179
Graham's done that.

1054
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:18.780
I think that's how all of Chibnall's social event.

1055
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:21.000
That's the form they all take.

1056
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:22.800
Besides, it's so boring.

1057
00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:24.059
I think actually Dan did that.

1058
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:28.500
All right, so let's wind it up.

1059
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:31.380
So I have a few things to plug out.

1060
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:32.460
Shall we leave the room?

1061
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:33.119
No.

1062
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:35.460
That's the dog.

1063
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:39.179
The dog. why I asked you all here.

1064
00:45:39.900 --> 00:45:41.579
Excuse me.

1065
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:42.840
I'm just going to turn chain.

1066
00:45:42.900 --> 00:45:45.059
Just gonna laser it and turn it into steel.

1067
00:45:45.539 --> 00:45:52.079
So our coverage of series, our coverage of series 7 of FDE

1068
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:57.659
finishes this Sunday, and we, so that's with our series 7

1069
00:45:57.659 --> 00:45:59.639
retrospective, which I'm currently editing.

1070
00:45:59.699 --> 00:46:04.260
And then after that, during the week of the 23rd of November, we

1071
00:46:04.260 --> 00:46:08.940
will be releasing no less than 5 episodes of FTE, including 2

1072
00:46:08.940 --> 00:46:13.019
episodes on the day of the doctor, which we will release one after

1073
00:46:13.019 --> 00:46:16.019
the other on the actual anniversary itself.

1074
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:20.280
Brendan, are you walking to work with Whittaker or have you...

1075
00:46:20.340 --> 00:46:21.480
I don't know, folks.

1076
00:46:21.539 --> 00:46:22.679
I am moving house this week.

1077
00:46:22.739 --> 00:46:24.480
So who knows where I am?

1078
00:46:24.539 --> 00:46:26.639
Maybe I'll I might just do it from the terrace.

1079
00:46:26.699 --> 00:46:28.500
Terror in the moving van.

1080
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:30.239
The back of the movie.

1081
00:46:30.300 --> 00:46:30.539
Yeah.

1082
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:32.039
Talk from the terrace with tenant.

1083
00:46:32.099 --> 00:46:33.480
Brilliant.

1084
00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:39.119
We also have maximum power back, which is halfway between its 2

1085
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:45.059
episode run of interviews with Michael E. Bryant, and Pete and Si

1086
00:46:45.059 --> 00:46:47.639
are conducting that, and it is pretty amazing, Peter.

1087
00:46:47.699 --> 00:46:50.219
As opposed to the Peter and Simon...

1088
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:51.539
Yeah, same side.

1089
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:53.820
They don't they don't have time to say their full names.

1090
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:57.360
Busy interviewing Michael E. Bryant.

1091
00:46:57.780 --> 00:47:02.880
And untitled Star Trek Project, which is, as always, a thing.

1092
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:06.539
This plug is longer than the episode would just record.

1093
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:09.539
Yeah, I know, you're sure you don't want us to leave the room. some

1094
00:47:09.539 --> 00:47:10.139
of us have given.

1095
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:15.000
I would also like to let listeners, longtime listeners know that

1096
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:20.340
in Moving House, I'm actually moving out of the 1st FTE studio.

1097
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:20.820
Yes.

1098
00:47:20.820 --> 00:47:22.559
They will be a blue plaque though.

1099
00:47:22.619 --> 00:47:26.400
There will be a blue park. right. making a plaque for your new FT

1100
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:27.960
studios door. you.

1101
00:47:28.019 --> 00:47:29.639
Look, lovely on my teeth.

1102
00:47:29.699 --> 00:47:32.940
Yes. brush quarter.

1103
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:34.079
Yes, I know, I know.

1104
00:47:34.139 --> 00:47:35.460
All right.

1105
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.940
So until, well, there isn't going to be a next time.

1106
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:44.760
So I won't say until next time, but we do have plans to continue

1107
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:50.760
this sort of nonsense with the RTD 2 era, which will start as

1108
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:53.039
we've just heard in November 2023.

1109
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:54.719
Do you want to tell them the name?

1110
00:47:54.780 --> 00:47:56.400
No, I don't want to tell them the name.

1111
00:47:56.460 --> 00:47:59.880
I have the domain, so they can't domain squat, but.

1112
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:04.559
There could be 5 or 6 podcasts with our name out by the time we, by

1113
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:05.280
the time we get going.

1114
00:48:05.340 --> 00:48:06.960
So the names are close to the garden secret.

1115
00:48:07.019 --> 00:48:10.380
But we will tell you more about that online.

1116
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:14.340
So this is the 1st podcast we've ever ended.

1117
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:15.719
Yeah.

1118
00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:18.420
So I'll be editing it now.

1119
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:24.420
I'll be adding complete yes to the RSS feed and we look forward to

1120
00:48:24.420 --> 00:48:27.000
seeing you again in 2023.

1121
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:29.760
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

1122
00:48:29.820 --> 00:48:31.440
Cheers, Jodie.

1123
00:48:31.500 --> 00:48:31.800
Good night.

1124
00:48:31.860 --> 00:48:32.519
Goodbye.

1125
00:48:32.579 --> 00:48:33.840
Ta-ta.

1126
00:48:33.900 --> 00:48:34.619
Good night.

1127
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:35.340
Until next time.