WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-10 at 19:05:08 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.960 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody Into Terror, the 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:06.419 only Doctor Who flash cast that really thinks you're a great 3 00:00:06.419 --> 00:00:09.480 listener, but is mysteriously reluctant to take things any 4 00:00:09.480 --> 00:00:10.140 further. 5 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:11.939 I'm Nathan. 6 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:12.960 I'm Brendan. 7 00:00:13.019 --> 00:00:19.559 I'm Todd, and I'm a frilled latex neck ribbed denouement talking 8 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:21.780 out of the side of my mask for this one. 9 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:25.199 Anything to see, devil, if you're brave enough. 10 00:00:25.260 --> 00:00:27.000 That's right. 11 00:00:27.059 --> 00:00:29.460 That's what we've always said. 12 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:34.859 Now, we have just watched Legend of the Sea Devils, which screened 13 00:00:34.859 --> 00:00:41.159 for the 1st time mere hours ago, by Ella Road and Chris Chibnell 14 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:45.899 it's the 2nd episode that we have experienced this year and the 15 00:00:45.899 --> 00:00:51.719 2nd last episode of the Whittaker era, and therefore of this very 16 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:52.380 podcast. 17 00:00:52.500 --> 00:00:58.320 So I'm going to ask a few questions around the panel and we will 18 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:01.320 see what we thought of the episode. 19 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:03.479 So let me start with this 1st question. 20 00:01:03.539 --> 00:01:07.500 And I will direct it to you first, Todd. 21 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:14.519 Is this better or worse than Warriors of the Deep and why is it 22 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:14.760 worse? 23 00:01:17.579 --> 00:01:21.060 It's worse than Warriors of the Deep. 24 00:01:21.180 --> 00:01:26.159 Because it doesn't start, Peter Davidson, Janet Fielding, and Mark 25 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:26.819 Strickson. 26 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:27.780 Yeah, yeah. 27 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:31.260 We do have to wait our spoilers for Janet a bit later, I think. 28 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:32.040 Spoilers. 29 00:01:32.099 --> 00:01:34.680 Oh, and it doesn't have the murker. 30 00:01:34.739 --> 00:01:36.659 Yeah, well, we don't know. 31 00:01:37.859 --> 00:01:40.739 Do we, do we have the murder? 32 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:43.859 I think the Huashan is a giant... 33 00:01:43.980 --> 00:01:47.939 Maybe it's the larval stage of the murker and then it sort of 34 00:01:47.939 --> 00:01:52.980 sprouts legs and other legs and arms and stuff and shrinks down 35 00:01:52.980 --> 00:01:55.980 and things in adulthood, like all of us, really. 36 00:01:58.019 --> 00:02:00.180 What do you think, Brendan? 37 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:01.680 Better or worse than Warriors of the Deep. 38 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:04.019 Ah. 39 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:09.180 I have to say worse, not that I think worries of the deep is 40 00:02:09.180 --> 00:02:13.319 particularly brilliant, but Warriors of the Deep does have Ingrid 41 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:13.740 Pitt. 42 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:14.639 Yeah. 43 00:02:14.699 --> 00:02:17.699 And this does not have meat and group. 44 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:20.639 I think I think actually worry isn't deep managers to be better 45 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:22.439 because it has miscasting. 46 00:02:22.500 --> 00:02:25.080 Whereas I don't think this does have miscasting. 47 00:02:25.139 --> 00:02:28.199 I think everyone's very well casted very well, very well acted in 48 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:28.379 this. 49 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:33.780 I would like to take, I would like to take Brendan on point for 50 00:02:33.780 --> 00:02:36.300 that, but I'm not going to because we're not reviewing Warriors of 51 00:02:36.300 --> 00:02:41.699 the D. I think, I think, and I'm doing my best Janet Fielding at 52 00:02:41.699 --> 00:02:43.979 the moment, banging Janet as she's now known. 53 00:02:45.060 --> 00:02:48.719 That's quite some artillery she's gone there. 54 00:02:49.319 --> 00:02:53.819 I actually meant that Tom Adams was Miss Cast in Warriors of the 55 00:02:53.819 --> 00:02:56.520 Deep Ingrid. perfect. talk about this. 56 00:02:56.699 --> 00:02:59.639 Oh, Todd, did you do Warriors of the Deep back in the day? 57 00:02:59.699 --> 00:03:02.879 Because I thought he was actually very, oh, we were talking about 58 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:03.780 the base commander. 59 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:04.620 I thought he was excellent. 60 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:07.080 Yes. don't know. 61 00:03:07.139 --> 00:03:08.099 I don't know. 62 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:10.439 I've always liked Warriors of the Deep, so you know. 63 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:11.759 I've always liked it too. 64 00:03:11.819 --> 00:03:14.699 I'm going to watch it again this evening, just out of spite. 65 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:15.840 Yes, that's right. 66 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:19.319 I actually watched I actually watched the sea devils today just 67 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:20.159 out of spice. 68 00:03:20.219 --> 00:03:21.780 Is that bought? 69 00:03:21.780 --> 00:03:22.979 It's really great. 70 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:24.360 The music's awesome. 71 00:03:24.419 --> 00:03:27.000 Okay, can I can I throw? 72 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:29.340 Can I throw a point of truth in? 73 00:03:29.460 --> 00:03:30.539 An absolute truth? 74 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:34.620 I honestly, objectively, as much as I can as a Doctor Who fan, feel 75 00:03:34.620 --> 00:03:40.199 that it doesn't win out oversea devils, nor warriors on the cheap 76 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:45.479 because we're missing 25 minutes, and I don't, I honestly feel 77 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:46.919 that this has been wedged. 78 00:03:46.979 --> 00:03:49.439 I think John Richards said something similar today, actually. 79 00:03:49.500 --> 00:03:52.860 I haven't read any reviews, you know, a friend of the podcast. 80 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:54.719 It just doesn't make any sense to me. 81 00:03:54.780 --> 00:03:57.060 And I'm sure it's just that there's linking. 82 00:03:57.180 --> 00:04:00.419 I know that Doctor Who always takes leaps and bounds and, you know 83 00:04:00.419 --> 00:04:03.659 as murkers do, but there's just salient points. 84 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:07.379 As soon as that, as soon as our turtle dove, my fate, and I love 85 00:04:07.379 --> 00:04:10.919 the sea dulls actually love them, probably the most gorgeous 70s 86 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:17.579 monster of all things, and Malcolm Clark can jump in and tune in 87 00:04:17.579 --> 00:04:17.759 there. 88 00:04:17.819 --> 00:04:21.959 But they just, they, they could have honestly been a Tamagotchi 89 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:24.300 for this for all of the narrative purposes served. 90 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:30.660 I always think that the solution to a bad episode isn't more of 91 00:04:30.660 --> 00:04:31.379 that episode. 92 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:37.860 I just generally feel that, you know, imagine like this one only 93 00:04:37.860 --> 00:04:38.519 longer. 94 00:04:38.579 --> 00:04:40.199 Like, I'm not sure about that. 95 00:04:40.259 --> 00:04:44.879 I think the problem isn't that the there are things that need 96 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:45.720 explaining. 97 00:04:45.779 --> 00:04:49.620 It's that it's a little bit difficult to care. 98 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:56.819 And I think, but I think it's, you know, we've, we're on the main 99 00:04:56.819 --> 00:04:58.800 podcast on flights through entirety. 100 00:04:58.860 --> 00:05:01.620 We frequently talk about an episode being thin. 101 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.100 And it's usually thin because something else interesting is going 102 00:05:05.100 --> 00:05:05.459 on. 103 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:07.680 But here, nothing else interesting is going on. 104 00:05:07.740 --> 00:05:08.939 It's just thin. 105 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:11.160 There's really kind of nothing to it. 106 00:05:11.220 --> 00:05:13.379 And there are things that turn up. 107 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:15.120 And I'm all for spectacle. 108 00:05:15.180 --> 00:05:15.899 This is TV. 109 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:19.079 And I thought that the murka looked fantastic in this story. 110 00:05:19.139 --> 00:05:22.139 But what was it for? 111 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:24.300 Like, what was it for? 112 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:24.660 Yeah. 113 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:28.620 It didn't even like attack the ship really, you know? 114 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:30.360 I mean, it didn't do any damage. 115 00:05:30.420 --> 00:05:33.779 One poor fisherman got eaten and that's about it. 116 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:35.519 You know, we dragged the Tartars down. 117 00:05:35.579 --> 00:05:37.259 That was an interesting... 118 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:39.240 That was an interesting cut. 119 00:05:39.300 --> 00:05:42.720 That was an interesting cut, jump cut to suddenly the TARDIS is in 120 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:43.680 the sea double base. 121 00:05:43.740 --> 00:05:48.240 It was a bit like the net suddenly was around the sea devil at the 122 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:48.540 beginning. 123 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:50.459 There was obviously some cuts in that sequence. 124 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:52.199 Definitely, definitely. 125 00:05:52.259 --> 00:05:54.000 Yeah, I wonder about that. 126 00:05:54.300 --> 00:05:58.019 Because there's dialogue there suggested suggesting that they 127 00:05:58.019 --> 00:06:01.379 followed the sea devils or they were chasing them and it's kind of 128 00:06:01.379 --> 00:06:05.399 like, no, no, no, the monster bit them and then suddenly they're 129 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:05.699 here. 130 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:06.899 It was very strange. 131 00:06:07.620 --> 00:06:12.899 Yeah, um, something I think really lends credence to that rumour 132 00:06:12.899 --> 00:06:13.620 that's going around. 133 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:15.720 I've heard 13 minutes cut out of this episode. 134 00:06:15.779 --> 00:06:16.620 Oh, really? 135 00:06:16.620 --> 00:06:19.259 Yeah, is when the murker attacks. 136 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:23.579 And we are talking about the Hua Shen as it's referred to, the 137 00:06:23.579 --> 00:06:24.839 giant dragon thing. 138 00:06:24.899 --> 00:06:26.639 If it's not a Merka, why is it? 139 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:26.939 Anyway. 140 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:29.879 Um, I'm sure... 141 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:32.519 I'm sure it's Cantonese for Panto. 142 00:06:33.300 --> 00:06:39.240 But yeah, when the Mercer attacks, they fire cannon balls at it, it 143 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:42.360 sends the cannonballs back which blow up in the sky because they 144 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:44.759 hit each other and then it just goes away. 145 00:06:44.819 --> 00:06:46.139 Yeah, correct. 146 00:06:46.139 --> 00:06:50.040 I think we ever see it again and it's like, okay, I feel like 147 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:52.680 there's been a big fight scene cut out here that may not have 148 00:06:52.680 --> 00:06:54.420 added much to the plot, but it would have fleshed out the 149 00:06:54.420 --> 00:06:55.019 characters. 150 00:06:55.079 --> 00:07:00.839 And I think part of the lack of care is because there's no time 151 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:08.399 given to get to know Madam Ching, or G. Hun, or the young man who 152 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.879 you know, he and he and Dan have a sort of Jamie Ben kind of 153 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:14.399 relationship dragging each other into trouble, which is really 154 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:14.639 sweet. 155 00:07:14.699 --> 00:07:20.100 But I feel a lot of character stuff has been cut out at the behest 156 00:07:20.100 --> 00:07:22.680 of the BBC to make it fit a time slot, which is a great show. 157 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:27.060 I wonder whether the lack of character stuff is a problem. 158 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:31.560 I actually think the problem is that it's not about anything. 159 00:07:31.620 --> 00:07:33.779 It's plot but no story. 160 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:39.000 And so, and maybe maybe some character speeches would have been 161 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:41.879 enough to give it story, but I just think it's the kind of thing 162 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:45.540 that we've seen from Tudmill before, where it's kind of like we 163 00:07:45.540 --> 00:07:50.459 have enough action to kind of pad out the running time, but none 164 00:07:50.459 --> 00:07:52.500 of it really amounts to anything. 165 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:54.300 It's not a story about something. 166 00:07:54.420 --> 00:07:59.220 Like you couldn't, you couldn't say in a couple of sentences what 167 00:07:59.220 --> 00:08:04.740 this story was about, I think, in a way that you could more easily 168 00:08:04.740 --> 00:08:06.240 with worries of the deep. 169 00:08:06.300 --> 00:08:08.279 And worries in the deepest about the Cold War. 170 00:08:08.339 --> 00:08:08.939 What's this about? 171 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:12.660 Like, stuff, you know, things that happen. 172 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:17.579 I did spend 10 minutes and the 1st viewing is the best, so I want 173 00:08:17.579 --> 00:08:20.160 to hear from Brendan, but I did spend about 10 minutes trying to 174 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.860 work out where they all ended up after flux. 175 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.560 Because it's as if that part of my life has just been taken from 176 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.079 my mind and put somewhere else, I can't remember. 177 00:08:31.139 --> 00:08:33.059 Yeah, no, the universe is. 178 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:40.080 The universe is still in pieces around us, but we don't care about 179 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:40.320 it. 180 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:44.879 All right, let's go for another question. 181 00:08:44.940 --> 00:08:50.879 How do we feel the sea devils went in this revival? 182 00:08:51.179 --> 00:08:54.000 You've already hinted at this, Richard? 183 00:08:54.059 --> 00:08:56.460 Tell us how you felt they went this time? 184 00:08:56.700 --> 00:09:01.500 Well, what we saw of them, I very much liked, and I liked their 185 00:09:01.500 --> 00:09:05.820 Lego pirate ship with Christmas fairy lights on the side of it for 186 00:09:05.820 --> 00:09:07.320 no damn good reason. 187 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:11.700 And I liked all the other stuff for no damn good reason. 188 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:16.860 They've always had spurious and fragile filigree thin plots. 189 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:21.539 I love the ears with the little, with all the little veilly lacy 190 00:09:21.539 --> 00:09:21.899 things. 191 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.419 I thought they were gorgeous and everyone's been, I don't know 192 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:27.299 certain fans have been saying he talks out of the side of his head 193 00:09:27.299 --> 00:09:29.039 and all realism is gone. 194 00:09:29.100 --> 00:09:32.340 I thought it was superb to be able to make later. 195 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:36.779 It is, um, you know, a practical effect and with some CG on the 196 00:09:36.779 --> 00:09:40.980 eyes and I thought it, I don't know, for me, they made it work and 197 00:09:40.980 --> 00:09:45.360 I just wanted to see another 15, 20 minutes of them doing things 198 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:46.679 see devilly. 199 00:09:46.740 --> 00:09:49.500 They were almost not in it as far as I felt. 200 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.080 What did you think, Tom? 201 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:55.919 Look, I thought the design was great. 202 00:09:55.980 --> 00:10:01.379 I missed their little round guns. 203 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:02.940 Oh, yes. 204 00:10:02.940 --> 00:10:06.960 And I do, and I do think that, I do think one of the problems with 205 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:12.059 the episode is the fact that Madam Cheng had no crew, and so they 206 00:10:12.059 --> 00:10:15.299 couldn't kill off any sort of extra crew, but they all had to be 207 00:10:15.299 --> 00:10:16.740 killed off by everybody who was there. 208 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:19.440 So they all seem to die very quickly. 209 00:10:19.500 --> 00:10:20.279 Do you know what I mean? 210 00:10:20.340 --> 00:10:23.340 Even Dan just, you know, one big swoosh of the sword and they're 211 00:10:23.340 --> 00:10:24.299 all down for the count. 212 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:31.620 So that, you know, in terms of making them an effective sort of, um 213 00:10:31.620 --> 00:10:38.399 A monster sort of just diminished their, I don't know, danger or 214 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:41.639 scariness or whatever. you know? 215 00:10:41.700 --> 00:10:49.379 And besides our lead, Um, uh, sea devil, the rest of them didn't 216 00:10:49.379 --> 00:10:52.500 seem to have any sort of, you know, they were just, they could 217 00:10:52.500 --> 00:10:53.639 have been anybody, you know? 218 00:10:53.700 --> 00:10:54.600 Do you know what I mean? 219 00:10:55.019 --> 00:11:00.779 You know, the shot where the sea devil does the fantastic backflip 220 00:11:00.779 --> 00:11:02.220 onto the deck of the ship? 221 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:04.500 For some reason. 222 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:07.860 And then he's on the ship and there's all these sea devils that 223 00:11:07.860 --> 00:11:12.779 he's explaining things to that they clearly all know. 224 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:15.960 But it's an amazing shot. 225 00:11:16.019 --> 00:11:16.980 There's so many of them. 226 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:18.659 It looks really good, I think. 227 00:11:18.779 --> 00:11:20.039 Brendan? 228 00:11:20.100 --> 00:11:23.399 I'm, I'm, I'm with Richard in that. 229 00:11:23.460 --> 00:11:28.019 I, I love the design of them, but I'm all, I'm also with, um, with 230 00:11:28.019 --> 00:11:32.940 Richard and Todd as to more, more sea devils, please. 231 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.679 It's like, there, actually, I will start by praising something, I 232 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:41.460 think Chris Chipnell does really interestingly with monsters, is 233 00:11:41.460 --> 00:11:44.759 that either the monster will present themselves or the doctor will 234 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:49.980 comment that, The monsters are not a homogeneous thing. 235 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.620 So for instance, Ashad is very different from the other side of 236 00:11:52.620 --> 00:11:52.919 that. 237 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:58.500 When the doctor confronts the cheap sea devil, she says, your race 238 00:11:58.500 --> 00:12:02.159 is not a race of aggressors, what makes you an outlier? 239 00:12:02.220 --> 00:12:09.240 And so it's, and then she mentions to Yaz, um, that, you know, the 240 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:10.500 they were actually here before you. 241 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:12.000 This is why it's kind of awkward. 242 00:12:12.059 --> 00:12:15.779 And I really, I really praise that in a story that is so 243 00:12:15.779 --> 00:12:21.299 compressed that there is still time to state that, you know, yes 244 00:12:21.299 --> 00:12:24.240 they're related to the Solarians, but and they're different 245 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:26.639 because they're different, because they're people. 246 00:12:26.700 --> 00:12:34.980 Um, But when it comes down to it, um, They, they, so they had this 247 00:12:34.980 --> 00:12:35.279 plan. 248 00:12:35.340 --> 00:12:36.600 They're going to flood the world. 249 00:12:36.659 --> 00:12:37.740 Hey, great idea. 250 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.220 We can make the story about something if the doctor says, well, if 251 00:12:41.220 --> 00:12:43.379 you just wait 200 years and humans are going to do it for you. 252 00:12:43.500 --> 00:12:46.679 You know, give us a bit of that Malcolm Holk commentary. 253 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:49.679 That humans are monsters as well. 254 00:12:49.740 --> 00:12:53.399 Um, it's there for the taking, you know what I mean? 255 00:12:53.460 --> 00:12:56.279 But aside from the fact they want to claim the planet. 256 00:12:56.340 --> 00:12:59.759 Well, you know, lots of alien races want to claim the planet. 257 00:12:59.820 --> 00:13:03.480 There's nothing particularly sea devilly about them. 258 00:13:03.899 --> 00:13:07.440 And that's a bit of a, that's a, that's, it's a shame. 259 00:13:07.500 --> 00:13:07.980 It's a shame. 260 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:13.019 Yeah, I mean, there's absolutely nothing done with the fact that 261 00:13:13.019 --> 00:13:17.340 they were here 1st and that they think that they have the right to 262 00:13:17.340 --> 00:13:18.059 the planet. 263 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:19.500 They're just evil. 264 00:13:19.559 --> 00:13:24.720 And to be fair, the original sea devils are that as well, you know 265 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:29.399 there's a 2nd of sort of nod towards the Silurians, but 266 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:32.820 essentially they're just bad people who the master wants to 267 00:13:32.820 --> 00:13:34.559 manipulate into killing everyone. 268 00:13:34.620 --> 00:13:39.659 And so, you know, maybe it's, it's not quite so bad. 269 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:44.399 Todd, you sounded like you had something more to say before. 270 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:53.340 Um, I guess the thing is that I just found in the whole story, like 271 00:13:53.340 --> 00:13:58.259 like, Madam Cheng turns up with a bit of parchment that leads her 272 00:13:58.259 --> 00:14:01.980 to the little stone that just happens to, you know, release the 273 00:14:01.980 --> 00:14:04.860 sea devil miraculously, like, but she's after this treasure. 274 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:07.379 And then this guy's supposed to be guarding it and he's got the 275 00:14:07.379 --> 00:14:10.980 magic, um, golden red stone thing. 276 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.259 Surely that's the thing that imprisoned it. 277 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:14.460 Why wouldn't he have it with him? 278 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:15.779 you know? 279 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:19.740 And then, oh, there's just like, and then they use that magic 280 00:14:19.740 --> 00:14:24.299 redstone to activate their destruction of the, well, changing of 281 00:14:24.299 --> 00:14:27.000 the world, but surely you could have done that 200 years in the 282 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:29.820 past, like, I mean, maybe I'm just missing something there. 283 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:34.740 Like, like there's just, it's a typical Chris Chibnil thing where 284 00:14:34.740 --> 00:14:39.059 I just kind of felt like even Madam Chen's like, you know, her 285 00:14:39.059 --> 00:14:43.259 whole crew has been, and her boys have been kidnapped, right? 286 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:45.899 So could she actually get the ship there by herself? 287 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:49.679 I would have liked to have seen that to sort of invest more in her 288 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:50.279 do you know what I mean? 289 00:14:50.340 --> 00:14:51.899 It was all spoken about off screen. 290 00:14:51.899 --> 00:14:55.200 And the other character from the past, like, you know, he was 291 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:58.860 working for the sea devils because his hand was being forced, but 292 00:14:58.860 --> 00:15:00.539 that was again all just explained. 293 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:04.620 Like it's, yeah, it's my, it's my common complaints that I have 294 00:15:04.620 --> 00:15:09.000 with Chris Chubinall's writing and and that sort of, you know, let 295 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:13.379 things down because I think there was some absolutely amazing, um 296 00:15:13.379 --> 00:15:17.340 special effects or viewpoints, you know, of the whole bay and I 297 00:15:17.340 --> 00:15:20.519 thought Jody looked great and Yaz looked great and and and all of 298 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:23.340 that and under the sea looked great. 299 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:28.440 But just all these little niggly things were just like, sorry, I've 300 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:29.399 got my head in my hands. 301 00:15:29.460 --> 00:15:32.100 You may, you may or may all disagree with me. 302 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:34.200 It was sort of like, well, we're hearing about this and then 303 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:34.919 you're explaining it. 304 00:15:34.980 --> 00:15:38.220 And then the piece of resistance was the fact that, you know 305 00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:42.240 people got knocked out, Madam Chen, and the guys on the ship by 306 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:46.320 the 3 exploding, um, um, grenades. 307 00:15:46.379 --> 00:15:48.659 It got knocked out for a convenient amount of time just so they 308 00:15:48.659 --> 00:15:51.419 could recover in time for the doctor, you know, to turn up. 309 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:52.139 Do you know what I mean? 310 00:15:52.379 --> 00:15:53.759 Yeah. 311 00:15:53.820 --> 00:15:55.860 I'm sorry, I feel like I'm nitpicking it apart. 312 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:59.580 But I am picking it apart because all these little things add up 313 00:15:59.580 --> 00:16:04.320 to to take away from a story that had so much potential and again 314 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:08.460 but then it just doesn't work for me. 315 00:16:08.700 --> 00:16:11.340 I want to know who's there that was. 316 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:15.539 It wasn't one of the kids. 317 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:17.460 It was a big year. 318 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:18.059 Yeah, no. 319 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:19.500 And she had her 1st maze. 320 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:21.720 It's even in the script. 321 00:16:23.100 --> 00:16:25.259 It was very silly. 322 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:30.360 Because the disturbing thing is, we know that both Yaz and the 323 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:33.059 doctor have multiple ear piercings. 324 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:36.059 And I'm just like, 0 God, hold on. 325 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:37.919 Is this a Christmas invasion situation? 326 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:43.500 It's not the doctor's extra year from when she regenerated out of 327 00:16:43.500 --> 00:16:44.519 Peter Cavaldi. 328 00:16:44.580 --> 00:16:45.899 Is that what you're saying? 329 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:46.799 It's not Vincent's. 330 00:16:46.860 --> 00:16:47.460 I know that. 331 00:16:47.700 --> 00:16:49.320 I've seen that. 332 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:54.059 Because, you know, during it means during the regeneration, Jody 333 00:16:54.059 --> 00:16:57.779 can grow a half human, Jody, to stay with, yeah. 334 00:16:57.840 --> 00:16:58.860 Yeah, perfect. 335 00:16:58.919 --> 00:16:59.759 Problem solved. 336 00:16:59.879 --> 00:17:01.679 Speaking of which. 337 00:17:01.740 --> 00:17:05.400 Can we talk about that relationshipism? 338 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:06.059 Yeah. 339 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:07.140 So let's do that. 340 00:17:08.099 --> 00:17:11.519 Can we put it off and can we just quickly talk about Dan? 341 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:14.220 and then let's talk about jazz and the doctor. 342 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:19.079 So I think Dan continues to do a great job. 343 00:17:19.140 --> 00:17:20.819 Is that fan? 344 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:22.920 In his tertiary, in his tertiary position? 345 00:17:22.980 --> 00:17:24.119 In his tertiary position? 346 00:17:24.180 --> 00:17:25.079 Yeah. 347 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:31.079 Yeah, I, the thing I most like is it gives, it gives Yaz a chance 348 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:33.900 to be on the inside because some, a problem I always had with 349 00:17:33.900 --> 00:17:37.019 Graham and Ryan is, you know, they're, they're a unit because 350 00:17:37.019 --> 00:17:37.680 they're family. 351 00:17:38.099 --> 00:17:43.259 Which meant sort of during series 11 in particular, and most of 352 00:17:43.259 --> 00:17:47.640 series 12, Yaz is sort of on the outer of that, but now Yaz is the 353 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:53.339 more seasoned traveller, and I just get such a, um, a brother 354 00:17:53.339 --> 00:17:57.180 sister vibe from her and Dan, like especially she's dressed him up 355 00:17:57.180 --> 00:17:59.700 completely ridiculous. 356 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:02.099 It's the gunfighters, isn't it? 357 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:03.539 Isn't it the gunfires? 358 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:05.880 It's the same beat, which I really adore. 359 00:18:05.940 --> 00:18:07.980 So it's Stephen and Dodo. 360 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:10.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. because Stephen comes dressed out 361 00:18:10.859 --> 00:18:15.240 you know, dressed up like a sort of hilarious cowboy in silk and 362 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:16.920 satin and stuff. 363 00:18:16.980 --> 00:18:18.539 I thought that was really fun. 364 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:22.799 I don't know why she ragged on him for the outfit later on because 365 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:24.960 she put him in it, but like whatever. 366 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:31.619 Can I, I just wanted to say, like, I think, I'm at this point now 367 00:18:31.619 --> 00:18:34.500 where it's sort of like, I wish Ryan and Graham had left earlier 368 00:18:34.500 --> 00:18:39.000 to give Yaz that chance to sort of breed as a character because I 369 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:42.299 actually think she does a great job in reactions, no matter what 370 00:18:42.299 --> 00:18:45.180 she is, the plot or the relationship. 371 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:47.880 There's a real strength there, which is really lovely. 372 00:18:47.940 --> 00:18:51.960 And, but unfortunately, the flip side, of course, with Dan is that 373 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:53.220 he is the 3rd peg. 374 00:18:53.220 --> 00:18:55.980 And so he's, he's away from the doctor a lot. 375 00:18:55.980 --> 00:18:58.740 And, and I actually want more time with the doctor, but we're 376 00:18:58.740 --> 00:18:59.640 never really going to get that. 377 00:18:59.700 --> 00:19:03.180 And I think that's one of the biggest shames with his, with his 378 00:19:03.180 --> 00:19:06.720 whole character in this, you know, these 7 or 8 episodes that he's 379 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:11.519 been in is that, you know, because of the nature of it all, we're 380 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:12.539 never really going to get that. 381 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:16.019 Look, I thought he, I thought his performance was good, but, but 382 00:19:16.019 --> 00:19:21.299 at times, it's so, I know this is not a criticism per se, but, it's 383 00:19:21.299 --> 00:19:25.559 so laid back. that I just feel like everything just sort of slows 384 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:28.740 down a bit too much at times and it's sort of like, okay, come on 385 00:19:28.740 --> 00:19:30.119 get on with it, you know? 386 00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:35.579 Um, But I do prefer this team over the previous. 387 00:19:35.579 --> 00:19:36.779 Yeah. 388 00:19:36.779 --> 00:19:38.160 Iteration. 389 00:19:38.220 --> 00:19:41.339 He does kill a bunch of people in this episode, which I thought 390 00:19:41.339 --> 00:19:42.299 was a bit upsetting. 391 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:48.720 That was quite astounding, really, to suddenly all the all the sea 392 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:51.660 devils down in one convenient swipe. 393 00:19:52.500 --> 00:19:54.720 It's so dumb. 394 00:19:54.779 --> 00:19:59.039 It's so dumb because the doctor, the doctor has just criticised 395 00:19:59.039 --> 00:20:02.339 Jihun for killing the chief sea devil. 396 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:05.279 Jehun is standing right there, and I think it would have been a 397 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:08.220 lot more in character if Dan had been talking, talking, talking 398 00:20:08.220 --> 00:20:08.940 talking, talking. 399 00:20:08.940 --> 00:20:12.299 And Jehun just grabs the sword and says, oh, for God's sake, and 400 00:20:12.299 --> 00:20:12.839 he does it? 401 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:19.079 Because he's about to go sacrifice himself anyway, you know, it, uh 402 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:20.519 we would get the atonement for that. 403 00:20:20.579 --> 00:20:25.259 I don't, it's either you don't have Dan do that or you don't have 404 00:20:25.259 --> 00:20:28.619 the doctor criticise Jehun 30 seconds earlier. 405 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:33.240 I mean, that's a, again, there's no sort of consistent moral 406 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:37.319 viewpoint, I think, in this era either, and that's part of the 407 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:37.680 problem. 408 00:20:37.740 --> 00:20:42.420 I thought that the, the, the joke, you know, have you met my 409 00:20:42.420 --> 00:20:47.700 mother and all I could think was maybe an episode 2 of flux, but I 410 00:20:47.700 --> 00:20:48.660 can't really remember. 411 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:52.200 You know, like I just didn't think it was a good save. 412 00:20:52.259 --> 00:20:53.460 It wasn't that funny. 413 00:20:53.819 --> 00:20:57.660 No, no, we met the mother and she seemed quite nice. 414 00:20:57.720 --> 00:20:59.099 So, you know, real? 415 00:21:01.740 --> 00:21:07.440 Well, all right, let's let's finish with what do we call it? 416 00:21:07.500 --> 00:21:08.579 What's their shipper name? 417 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:10.799 It's... men. 418 00:21:10.859 --> 00:21:12.779 No, you're team. 419 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:13.920 Oh, okay. 420 00:21:13.980 --> 00:21:15.000 Thasmin. 421 00:21:15.059 --> 00:21:15.960 That's not even a word. 422 00:21:16.500 --> 00:21:19.019 So how do we... 423 00:21:19.019 --> 00:21:22.680 Nathan, that's how portmanteaus work? 424 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:30.119 Oh, dear, I thought that were things you carried your jacket in. 425 00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:36.900 All right, so how do we feel that that went and we're going to go 426 00:21:36.900 --> 00:21:39.660 for opposing viewpoints starting with Brendan? 427 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:41.940 Right. 428 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:46.019 So, This is a concept that was always on a hiding to nothing. 429 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:46.740 Yeah. 430 00:21:46.740 --> 00:21:55.019 Not because of any flaw in the concept, but because A companion is 431 00:21:55.019 --> 00:21:57.839 never going to have an equal romantic relationship with the 432 00:21:57.839 --> 00:21:58.140 doctor. 433 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:01.619 Even the relationship with the river song is mostly offscreen. 434 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:02.880 You know what I mean? 435 00:22:02.940 --> 00:22:11.220 That being, that being said, I appreciate that, it wasn't sort of 436 00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:15.359 the 10th doctor who would fob off that kind of thing or the 11th 437 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:17.940 doctor who would make a silly joke and scream for Rory. 438 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:22.259 You know, it was the 13th doctor saying, you are my friend. 439 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:24.059 I think you're excellent. 440 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:29.039 And if I were, if I were ready to pursue a relationship, I would 441 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:31.859 pursue it with you, but I am not that person. 442 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:36.000 And I think that It's actually like a really mature way to handle 443 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:36.779 that conversation. 444 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:41.400 But there's not really much drama in it, you know what I mean? 445 00:22:41.460 --> 00:22:47.579 That's why you had 10 and rows on opposing dimensions face up 446 00:22:47.579 --> 00:22:48.660 against the wall kind of thing. 447 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:52.859 But at the same time, I appreciate that it is not dramatic and 448 00:22:52.859 --> 00:22:58.079 overwrought and it gives us a lovely final scene with, I think 449 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:00.420 some of the best acting from Amanda and Jody in the show. 450 00:23:00.779 --> 00:23:02.339 Richard? 451 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:08.640 I agree with everything, Brendan said, but it still felt like a 452 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:11.339 coin dropping into an empty beer keg. 453 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:13.619 I can still hear it rattling. 454 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:17.819 It just, it made noise, but it didn't achieve very much. 455 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:22.380 And yes, I felt that they both actress did their absolute best 456 00:23:22.380 --> 00:23:26.099 with something that just felt terribly thin and a little bit of 457 00:23:26.099 --> 00:23:26.640 sets. 458 00:23:26.700 --> 00:23:27.599 I just couldn't buy it. 459 00:23:27.660 --> 00:23:32.759 And maybe it's time and maybe that's that it jolted, but it also 460 00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:36.660 felt a bit like what a straight boy thinks girl relationships 461 00:23:36.660 --> 00:23:37.200 are. 462 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:41.160 And that may be terribly unfair, but it just didn't hold it for 463 00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:41.400 me. 464 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:46.380 Do you remember the doctor and its tenant, and I can't remember 465 00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:51.960 who he says it to, and he says, you could spend the rest of your 466 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:56.400 life with me, but I couldn't spend it with you. 467 00:23:57.240 --> 00:23:59.279 It is tenant, is it? 468 00:23:59.339 --> 00:24:00.000 Yeah. 469 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:01.799 To, to, to, to... 470 00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:02.460 Yeah, yeah. 471 00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:03.480 I thought it was school reunion. 472 00:24:03.539 --> 00:24:06.660 I think that's beautiful and I thought this was kind of a bit of a 473 00:24:06.660 --> 00:24:07.920 pale imitation of that. 474 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:09.420 Exactly. 475 00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:14.339 And I think too, saying, uh, a relationship's going to hurt, so I 476 00:24:14.339 --> 00:24:15.180 don't do that. 477 00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:21.539 Like, that's, there's something more pathetic about that. 478 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:28.319 And to be fair, to be fair, that's what, yes, says without kind of 479 00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:31.680 um, you know, sticking the boot in. 480 00:24:31.740 --> 00:24:34.680 But I mean, that all relationships end. 481 00:24:34.740 --> 00:24:35.759 Do you know what I mean? 482 00:24:35.819 --> 00:24:37.079 They all end. 483 00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:42.599 Like, and they all end sadly, you know, it's like having a pet 484 00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:44.700 only not quite as good. 485 00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:50.099 And, you know, like, like, um, it's, you know, they, they all 486 00:24:50.099 --> 00:24:50.519 end. 487 00:24:50.579 --> 00:24:54.900 Even if even a relationship that lasts your entire life ends with 488 00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:58.799 the death of one of you, you know, like it just seemed a bit 489 00:24:58.799 --> 00:24:59.700 pathetic. 490 00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:01.380 Todd. 491 00:25:01.500 --> 00:25:06.480 Well, I think you've all touched on the whole gambit there. 492 00:25:06.539 --> 00:25:11.700 I mean, I don't really care one way or the other, quite frankly 493 00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:19.019 but, um, um, especially when poor Jody gets to say, I wish this 494 00:25:19.019 --> 00:25:22.319 could last forever or go on for whatever and you know that we've 495 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:25.799 got one more adventure and I just kind of went, well, thanks, Chris 496 00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:29.039 for that bit of dialogue and poor Jody having to deliver that. 497 00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:30.720 Um, you know what? 498 00:25:30.779 --> 00:25:33.839 I loved my favourite moment of her in the episode was when she 499 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:39.359 went to touch one of the Sea Devil's, um, devices and it came came 500 00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:42.960 at her with the sword and she gave it that look and went, ooh, or 501 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:43.500 whatever. 502 00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:44.819 I thought that was great. 503 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:49.319 But so I go away from the relationship. 504 00:25:49.380 --> 00:25:50.279 Look, I look, look. 505 00:25:50.339 --> 00:25:55.200 I thought it, like, it is what it is and I don't hate it. 506 00:25:55.259 --> 00:25:55.980 I not in love with it. 507 00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:57.779 It's going to end. 508 00:25:57.839 --> 00:25:59.099 We know that. 509 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:03.180 I think, I mean, I think it is sort of queer baiting a bit, and I 510 00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:05.400 think it would have been probably best avoided. 511 00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:08.519 And also I just sort of think, yeah, there's this cross with the 512 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:11.039 doctor all the time, like just all the time. 513 00:26:11.099 --> 00:26:13.440 She's so cross with her. 514 00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:16.140 I just, yeah, anyway. 515 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:16.859 Yeah. 516 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:20.640 Mind you, mind you, so was Donna and we love that. 517 00:26:20.700 --> 00:26:23.880 Yeah, yeah, but Donna didn't want to get in his pants, though. 518 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:29.640 Is it because we don't want to slap Jodie Whittaker, whereas we 519 00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:31.920 kind of want to slap tenants doctor quite often. 520 00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:33.420 Yeah, I think that could well be it. 521 00:26:33.660 --> 00:26:39.779 I mean, something I'd like to say as well about the relationship 522 00:26:39.779 --> 00:26:44.400 is, from what I, from what I see online, it's resonating a lot 523 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:46.619 with younger fans. 524 00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:47.279 Yeah. 525 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:53.759 So maybe I just don't get why it's resonating so much. 526 00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:57.900 And I just, I just want to say, if anyone is listening and kind of 527 00:26:57.900 --> 00:27:00.539 going, well, this relationship really resonates with me. 528 00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:04.380 Don't don't take don't take what I said as gospel. 529 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:07.500 That is my opinion, and if this relationship resonates with you 530 00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:11.400 and especially if it helps you sort through your own feelings, then 531 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:12.599 I think it's really valuable. 532 00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:16.619 And I think that's what Mandat Gill has said she wants it to do on 533 00:27:16.619 --> 00:27:17.039 the show. 534 00:27:18.059 --> 00:27:22.380 So I do hope it, I do hope it's having value for the people who 535 00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:23.519 are invested in it. 536 00:27:23.579 --> 00:27:25.559 That's a good sentiment. 537 00:27:25.619 --> 00:27:27.599 I would agree with that, you know? 538 00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:29.759 Just, yeah. 539 00:27:29.819 --> 00:27:32.400 I just think we were talking about this today. 540 00:27:32.460 --> 00:27:37.079 I mean, Star Trek blows Doctor Who out of the water when it comes 541 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:38.940 for queer representation. 542 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:45.119 But nevertheless, you know, I'm aware that this relationship 543 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:46.680 really does resonate. 544 00:27:46.740 --> 00:27:49.380 And I think that that's one of the reasons why it's become 545 00:27:49.380 --> 00:27:50.759 explicit in the show. 546 00:27:51.059 --> 00:27:58.740 All right, our last point, uh, before we wrap up and that is, uh 547 00:27:58.740 --> 00:28:00.599 and spoiler horn. 548 00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:04.920 I should drop in the horn from Horror Fang Rock, the folder. 549 00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:08.880 Spoiler horn, we are going to talk about the trailer. 550 00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:12.599 Todd, anyone you know in the next episode? 551 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:16.380 There are 2 people. 552 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:23.819 And I just pray that um, Chris does them justice. 553 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:28.079 But it is exciting. 554 00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:30.839 I'm so excited to see Joe back. 555 00:28:30.900 --> 00:28:32.700 It is exciting. 556 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:36.359 I'm more excited about Tegan than I am about Ace. 557 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:38.279 I mean it's great for both of them because they're both great 558 00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:43.980 actresses, but I just want to see her, um, You know, if she meets 559 00:28:43.980 --> 00:28:47.759 the master, you know, here's one. 560 00:28:47.819 --> 00:28:48.960 You're a revolting man. 561 00:28:54.539 --> 00:28:56.460 She's so good. 562 00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:57.299 I can't wait. 563 00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:58.859 What about you, Richard? 564 00:28:59.819 --> 00:29:02.400 Taken with a what? 565 00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:03.539 AK 47? 566 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:04.440 No, it was bigger. 567 00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:08.279 I thought, I looked at this and I thought, surely I've seen this 568 00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:08.640 before. 569 00:29:08.700 --> 00:29:11.220 Didn't she do that in every single story? 570 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:14.880 She has a big ass gun in her story. shock, doesn't she? 571 00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:16.019 Like a be... 572 00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:19.200 She does and she has... she knows what to do with it. 573 00:29:19.259 --> 00:29:20.519 It's not just rabbits. 574 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.519 It was such, look, I don't know how it happened. 575 00:29:26.579 --> 00:29:29.880 I thought it was going to be Karen Gillan and there had been some 576 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:31.799 leak that it was Karen. 577 00:29:31.859 --> 00:29:34.200 I thought, okay, I'm going to see Amy Pond at the end of this and 578 00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:34.619 blah. 579 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:38.099 And I'm so glad I got such a shock and there's all these cute 580 00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:42.420 little memes of 50 something year old men of a certain persuasion 581 00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:46.559 standing next to a still on their television with their mouths 582 00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:50.579 open like a 4 year old at the 1st time at the nocturnal house. 583 00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:54.720 And I'm not saying, I'm not making any upper middle class jokes 584 00:29:54.720 --> 00:30:01.440 about skin tone or I think, I think, honestly, I think that, um, I 585 00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:03.660 think Sophie looks great for her age. 586 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:08.640 But I have to say, Janet was freaking amazing. 587 00:30:08.700 --> 00:30:12.779 And the indignation in half a 2nd all as you have, you could just 588 00:30:12.779 --> 00:30:13.799 see the whole. 589 00:30:13.859 --> 00:30:15.660 I can't believe it, it's still happening. 590 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:17.700 I thought, yes. 591 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:22.680 I was very happy with 90 minutes of just Janet complaining with a 592 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:23.039 gun. 593 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:24.539 That's all we never wanted. 594 00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:26.579 That's the tinyest. 595 00:30:26.579 --> 00:30:28.559 That's all we wanted. 596 00:30:29.220 --> 00:30:30.599 Yeah. 597 00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:32.700 She did tweet today, did you see? 598 00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:35.579 She said, stop being bothersome. 599 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:37.200 I think she was doing that in town. 600 00:30:37.259 --> 00:30:40.319 She said, you're all freaking out over nothing. going to be 601 00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:40.559 great. 602 00:30:40.619 --> 00:30:41.579 Relax, trust me. 603 00:30:42.299 --> 00:30:45.900 So she was, she was definitely saying yes, it's going to be, Chris 604 00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:47.279 treated us both very well. 605 00:30:47.339 --> 00:30:48.180 It's really good script. 606 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.420 I thought, well, look, as long as they carry on as the new 2 607 00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:54.599 companions for the next doctor, they can do anything they like, I'm 608 00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:54.839 fine. 609 00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:55.559 Yep. 610 00:30:55.619 --> 00:30:57.660 And, uh, Brendan. 611 00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:03.240 Yeah, okay, Richard Ray is an interesting point because Russell 612 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:09.299 was planning to bring back Ace in Sarah Jane Adventures season 6. 613 00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:14.640 And way back when when Tom was leaving, JNT wanted to bring back 614 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.180 1st Elizabeth Sladen and then Louise Jameson because he was 615 00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:21.359 worried about how the show would bear without Tom Baker and wanted 616 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.039 to give it a popularity boost. 617 00:31:23.099 --> 00:31:27.539 Now, imagine if Russell has been talking to Chris and going, okay 618 00:31:27.539 --> 00:31:31.140 you bring him back in your last episode, and I'll have him for a 619 00:31:31.140 --> 00:31:32.039 few episodes as well. 620 00:31:32.099 --> 00:31:35.940 Like I'm thinking maybe not as regular as maybe as recurring, but 621 00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:38.279 that would that would be sensational. 622 00:31:38.339 --> 00:31:39.059 I would love that. 623 00:31:39.180 --> 00:31:43.980 Now, as Todd and Nathan have said, and I think I think Richard is 624 00:31:43.980 --> 00:31:47.220 inferred as well. you know you're all looking forward to Janet. 625 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:48.420 Now I'm looking forward to Janet. 626 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:49.079 Don't get me wrong. 627 00:31:49.140 --> 00:31:51.779 But I started watching Doctor Who in 1988. 628 00:31:51.900 --> 00:31:58.259 So, I screamed when Sophie appeared on the screen. 629 00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:02.400 Uh... 630 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.160 Yeah, I haven't seen the doctor in 30 years. 631 00:32:05.220 --> 00:32:08.160 Um, no, I'm, I'm so looking forward to it. 632 00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:09.960 And thing is, I'm not just looking forward to that. 633 00:32:10.019 --> 00:32:15.839 Like, I love seeing Sasha up there, even if, even if in one shot 634 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:19.259 he has not enough beard and in another shot, he has too much 635 00:32:19.259 --> 00:32:19.619 beard. 636 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:23.640 Um, a shard is back and I'm very happy about that. 637 00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:25.920 Somehow, he grew up again. 638 00:32:26.099 --> 00:32:27.059 He got big. 639 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:32.460 Romana was behind him. you're just torturing us now. 640 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:35.099 Lisa was picking scabs off her arms. 641 00:32:35.220 --> 00:32:36.539 Yeah, somewhere. 642 00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.119 It's a shame Jackie Lane's no longer with us. 643 00:32:39.180 --> 00:32:40.559 All right. 644 00:32:40.619 --> 00:32:44.519 I think we're going to wind up at that point. 645 00:32:44.579 --> 00:32:54.000 Um, so, uh, do anyone have any sort of urgent uh, final um, closing 646 00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:55.079 statements, I want to say? 647 00:32:55.140 --> 00:32:55.980 Todd? 648 00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:57.660 Yes, I've got one. 649 00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:02.880 You know, they credited Malcolm Hulk in the, um, the creator of 650 00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:04.559 the sea devils, but they spilled his name wrong. 651 00:33:04.619 --> 00:33:07.500 So it was a nice sentiment, right? 652 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.859 But they stuffed it up and that's how I feel about this episode. 653 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:12.480 It sums up quite a whole thing. 654 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:14.579 What I've thought about this episode. 655 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:18.599 I can't really give this any more than 5 out of 10 at the best. 656 00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:21.059 All right. 657 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:23.759 Well, that's a perfect balanced mark. 658 00:33:23.819 --> 00:33:26.880 So, what do we have to plug? 659 00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:32.759 Um, Brendan, you're going to do a walk to work with Whittaker at 660 00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:33.660 some point quite soon. 661 00:33:33.779 --> 00:33:37.680 In about 12 hours, the reason I didn't do it today is I just need 662 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:38.579 to watch the episode again. 663 00:33:38.819 --> 00:33:41.279 I really, I really didn't get it. 664 00:33:41.339 --> 00:33:45.119 And I think we didn't really say enough, but I just want to give 665 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:45.900 it a shout out. 666 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:51.839 I think the 3 main guest cast who play Madam Ching, Jihun, and the 667 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.539 young man from the village whose name escapes me at the moment 668 00:33:54.539 --> 00:33:55.559 that's why I need to watch it again. 669 00:33:55.619 --> 00:33:57.240 No, I think they were all really great. 670 00:33:57.299 --> 00:34:01.140 Um, and yeah, I think it's a matter of the characterisations and 671 00:34:01.140 --> 00:34:04.079 performances in this episode were great, but the plot not good. 6 672 00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:04.559 out of 10. 673 00:34:04.740 --> 00:34:05.640 Yeah. 674 00:34:05.700 --> 00:34:11.039 Um, Brendan, can you do your walk to Whittaker in a electric blue 675 00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:14.460 Chong Sam or whatever it is we call the frog? 676 00:34:14.460 --> 00:34:17.820 Because I'm giving the frogs 10 out of 10, love the frogs. 677 00:34:17.940 --> 00:34:18.780 Yeah. 678 00:34:18.780 --> 00:34:22.260 Oh, yeah. nice to see Jodie dressed in something else Yep. 679 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.239 Oh, yeah, Jody looks so much better. 680 00:34:24.300 --> 00:34:26.219 Yeah, yeah, and relaxed. 681 00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.019 I think she was more comfortable in her costume. 682 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:30.480 And um, I know I was. 683 00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:34.380 And honestly, it looked gorgeous, some of the best effects we've 684 00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:34.619 had. 685 00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:38.219 Chibnall has, for whatever reason, maybe because he moves with 686 00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:41.760 Well, I can't say glacial anymore, the pace they're going. 687 00:34:41.820 --> 00:34:46.860 But, um, it just, he's, he's era does look better than any other. 688 00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:48.480 Yeah. 689 00:34:48.539 --> 00:34:50.219 So, I'm grateful for that. 690 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:54.659 I thought there were some some fairly stock after effects kind of 691 00:34:54.659 --> 00:34:56.880 things in there from time to time. 692 00:34:56.940 --> 00:35:00.719 But a lot of it looked absolutely amazing. 693 00:35:00.780 --> 00:35:03.599 All right, so let me plug some things. 694 00:35:03.659 --> 00:35:06.659 We have walk to work with Whittaker, and I will put a link in the 695 00:35:06.659 --> 00:35:10.139 show notes to the playlist, if not the actual thing. 696 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.059 It will be out tomorrow. 697 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:16.619 I, or perhaps already as you're listening to this. 698 00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:23.820 We are currently in the middle of series 7 A of Doctor Who in 699 00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:25.440 Flight through Entirety. 700 00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:29.099 And this Sunday we'll be doing a town called Mercy. 701 00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:35.340 Um, There is also uh, Untitled Star Trek project, which is out 702 00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:39.599 every Friday, um, and we have some great episodes coming up 703 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:39.960 there. 704 00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:42.300 And later in the year. 705 00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:49.860 We have now finished, I think, recording series B. of Blake 7 or 706 00:35:49.860 --> 00:35:54.360 series 2, as normal people call it, and that will be being 707 00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:56.880 released sometime quite soon. 708 00:35:56.940 --> 00:35:58.260 So keep an eye out for that. 709 00:35:58.739 --> 00:36:02.940 Until next time, may the thing that you're trying to conceal under 710 00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:07.079 your clothing not be prone to glowing unexpectedly. 711 00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:10.079 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 712 00:36:10.139 --> 00:36:11.460 Good night. 713 00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:12.599 See you soon. 714 00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:13.860 Good then.