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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody Interterterra, the

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only Doctor Who flash cast that is glad for once that this

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celebrity historical didn't have a terraleptil in it.

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We're all here.

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We're joined tonight by Richard for the 1st time on Jody and Terra

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and we've...

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You are not glad, you are not glad that there was no

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pteroreptils.

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No, I seriously am.

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I'll tell you why later.

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But we've all just watched Rosa, and we're ready to give you our

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hot, ill-considered takes on the episode.

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So Todd, would you like to start?

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Sure, Nathan.

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Well, hi everyone.

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Look, I thought this was wonderful.

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I have to say that this time round.

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The nicest doctor of them all, gets her resting bitch face on, the

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deal with Dylan slash Brandon from Beverly Hills 90210, a believe

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aided by her 3 travelling companions, anger management, Steve Jobs

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and our investigator Mexicano, who's great at investigating bars

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buses, bathrooms, and back alleys.

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But in all seriousness, everyone, I just thought that, um, uh, this

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was just a great episode.

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I thought that Bradley Walsh knocked it out of the ballpark.

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I mean, he made me cry twice when he was talking about the woman

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who fell to earth, that devastating look that he gave in the bus

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at the end.

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Jody's look at the camera at that point was just heartbreaking.

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I thought she was just given ample opportunity to shine in this

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with some great confrontation scenes that were just so natural and

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witty and I just loved her so much more of this episode than

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previous.

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The music was sensational, the score opening Indian credits can't

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be done a lot of times, but it was just perfect for this.

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The villain might have been a bit one note, but that didn't really

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affect my enjoyment of things.

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I still think that, you know, they probably underplayed that a

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bit.

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Maybe it's something that, you know, might come back to bite them

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in the bum later on.

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But I'm giving this, you know, wow, I'm giving this like 9 out of

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10.

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Perhaps the only thing I really didn't like was that silly time

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rotor thing going up in the background was the end, which was just

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appalling.

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But other than that, that's my hot take.

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Okay, fantastic.

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Thanks, Todd.

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Richard, what did you think?

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Are we already up to the Himalayan salt light clickable dildo

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thing already?

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are we?

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Doesn't she, doesn't she realise that when you use those Himalayan

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salt light things and you like, you warm them up for too long, they

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melt and go gooey and sticky, and I know use to anyone.

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No, look, my whole house is full of them.

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It's a nightmare. can barely get to the back door. will never be

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able to prize Chatterton off that thing.

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Yes, sir.

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I like the episode.

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Oh, where are we?

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Well, look, I, I, being a fond, a fond afficionado of, of stuff, I

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was delighted that they were going to feature the groundbreaking

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story of Miss Claudette Colvin, who was, was born in 1939, and um

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in March, 1955, was the 1st woman to be arrested for sitting on, um

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on a bus in, um, in the south, in Montgomery.

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It just happened it just happened to be 9 months before Rosa Parks

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did it.

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Really?

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It was a thing.

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She wasn't even original.

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Well, you know, I just have to mention that because as with all

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things, maybe, maybe the um, rather, rather photogenic. white

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supremacist.

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Why do they always have to be so attractive?

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Really?

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He was in time after the time.

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He's super pretty.

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Why do fascists always have to have the best outfits in the, you

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know, fascism, fashion, you know, there's, there's a reason for

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the, for the conflation.

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Yeah, this goal, Miss Colvin, Oh, look, it's, I think it's the

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best, possibly the best piece of Doctor Who I've ever seen or

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heard, possibly, simply because it touches, just like Todd said, it

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touches the heart and it touches the mind and the soul and also

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feeds our love of history and our love, it's what Doctor Who

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should do.

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It's extraordinary, isn't it?

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That it's taken this long to get a story like this onto screen.

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I can't fault it.

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Bradley Walsh Walsh, I think, is the strongest member of the cast

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but that's kind of unfair because they are, without doubt, possibly

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since Saint Barbara, the 1st ensemble cast that is with Maureen

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O'Brien, I have to say, is the strongest ensemble cast they've had

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of this many, this many players.

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And you might argue that the 5th doctor, and I definitely feel

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this is a semblance.

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Sorry, everyone.

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I've missed the last 2 weeks.

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But there's definitely a semblance of and echos of maybe Chibnol's

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one of Chibnol's favourite eras, which appears to be the 5th

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doctor.

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So I'm just getting lots of vibes of that.

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But it's, I'll let someone else talk.

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But yeah, I urge anyone to look up Miss Colvin's story because

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it's deeply, deeply tragic and there is a whole other history to

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this if you're interested that goes even deeper than they could

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have done in the 45 minutes, 50 minutes.

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Thanks.

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Well, let's move on to which one are you?

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James.

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Apparently.

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Look, I totally agree with you, Richard.

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I think this is possibly the best episode of the new series.

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In terms of its the issues it deals with, I mean, Doctor Who, it

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deals with racism and prejudice, tends to do it through allegory.

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And sometimes it comes out in favour of it as well.

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But, um, Tackling it so, so, like, straight on and and being so

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angry about it was, um, look, it's a product of the time it's made

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in.

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I think, I think looking at what is happening in America today, you

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can see why that resonates with The world.

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You know that the song at the end is kind of, I've heard the

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unofficial kind of anthem for Black Lives Matter and was used for

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a sort of documentary series on the rise of sort of gay civil

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rights movement.

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It was used in that documentary series called When We Rise.

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Like it is.

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It's not just a pretty song.

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Um, it is, you know, political, yeah.

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And a perfect choice for the content of the episode.

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I really, I found myself welling up.

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How did Dan put it in?

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Moisten up.

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Yes, moistening up.

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It was it was just beautiful.

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Um, I, yeah, I, if I struggle to actually find anything negative

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to say about it.

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Yeah, it's, it's, it's, the pacing's a bit off.

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But the heart.

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The heart that I think I've said this every week so far, there's

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so much heart in the series now.

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Um, they've, they've really tried to do something which is

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actually, You feel like they they really feel like they want to

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say something.

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With the characters with the, um, the approach that they're taking

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they're trying to, they're really trying to, um, make an impact.

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Todd, can I get back to you in a sec after we've heard from

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Brendan?

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Yeah, yeah, Brendan.

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Hello.

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Hello, darling.

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What did you think?

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Hello, sir.

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Yes, um, look, uh, uh, I'm not going to say too much because I'll

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just be echoing what everyone else said, but, um, yeah, this, this

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is a magnificent piece of, it's a magnificent piece of Doctor

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Who.

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I saw on Twitter, someone say it, they thought it was an 8 out of

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10 piece of television, but 2 out of 10 Doctor Who.

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And I think, you know, they would have liked to tear a lapsel to

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be in it.

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But I, but no, I think it's so important at the moment that the

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villain was a hiku, someone who appears to be an ordinary human

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albeit one from the future with advanced technology, who is a

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white supremacist.

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So he is a threat we recognise.

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It's not a white supremacist crammed into a, a pepper mill, you

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know what I mean?

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It's not, um, in the previous series, we had, um, you know, racism

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that Bill had to deal with, which was then inverted when she met a

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blue person.

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And, yeah, it was sort of treated as a bit of a joke.

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Ah, in that context.

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What I loved about this episode was that the episode had humour

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just like real life has tragedy and real life has laughed.

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The episode had humour, but unlike other Doctor Who celebrity

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historical episodes, the jokes were never at the expense of the

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historical figure.

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You know, we get jokes at Charles Dickens and at Agatha Christie

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and that's fine, but there could have been a temptation to do that

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here.

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But instead, just one thing I'm going to comment on is when Ryan

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meets, goes to Rose's house and meets Martin Luther King.

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And Towson Cole, who is becoming my favourite, like Bradley Walsh

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is brilliant, but Towson Cole gets that wonderful line of, excuse

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me, Dr. King.

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Yes, Rosa Park.

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And it's just the way he delivers it.

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And something I love about the story so much.

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Get it, there's, there's all their faces on the bus when they

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realise they have to stay sitting down and Graham has to stay

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standing up so that Rosa will be forced to move.

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But, just, I just, I just love the interplay between the

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characters and how they deal with this.

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You know, Jody gets that wonderful line in the hotel room, like

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there's no one here who doesn't have a right to be here.

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Meanwhile, out by the bins, Yaz has come into her room this week

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you know. been saying she's been a bit underused, but that

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beautiful speech is of, you know, of course I get trouble when I'm

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out, you know, as a cop, I get, I get, the ratio was thrown at

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me.

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But I am a police officer.

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And you know, 50 years ago, I couldn't have done that.

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And watching her give that speech, I got flashes of when Ace would

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give features about growing up.

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And you all know how much that era holds the place in my art.

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So to get that connection.

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And Ace was another character who spoke about racism and spoke

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about discrimination to get that connection.

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Absolutely, gave me chill.

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I think I said to you, Nathan, last night.

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My immediate reaction is 10 out of 10 and I was holding off on

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giving it that, but I've thought about it all day.

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No, it's a 10 out of density.

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Man, I'm knocking at least one point off for the asteroid, I have

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to say.

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Which I just thought was a profoundly terrible and sort of that's

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a legacy is a bit of space rock.

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Now we look out and see the Rosa Parks rock, which is probably

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next to the, you know, Pope Benedict the 16th rock.

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I thought that that was really very bad.

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But...

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It's true.

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There is an asteroid named after her.

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Yeah, I know, but all sorts of assholes have asteroids named after

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them.

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Do you know what I mean?

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There's a huge Wikipedia page and one of them is Pope Benedict the

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16th.

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Oh, there's like a constellation named after the Tartar.

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Yeah, well...

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Look, I agree.

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I think it was a great episode and I think that it sidestepped

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some really, really obvious traps.

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And what it got absolutely right, was not having Rosa Parks

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menaced by men in rubber suits, not having her aware of the doctor

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or the TARDIS.

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The worst thing that they could have done was have Jody Whittaker

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inspiring Rosa Parkes to face up to discrimination.

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That would have been just appalling.

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And, you know, that's, you know, the doctor inspires people to be

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better.

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But it was absolutely not her job as a white woman to do that this

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week and she didn't.

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And so the, you know, all of our characters stay on the periphery

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and don't interfere with Rosa.

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Don't take her into the Tartars to show her what's inside. you

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know, any of that.

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And I think that that was absolutely the right decision.

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I think it was right to have, you know, this is the sort of thing

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that only Tubinal could do.

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the storyline.

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Uh, the, the sort of very basic sort of storytelling, that some

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cleverness has been lost this series.

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that it needed to be simple and straightforward.

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it.

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And, you know, the idea of, you know, a time traveller, a time

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travelling white supremacist coming back to stop this is, you know

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very, very straightforward, very, you know, it's high concept, but

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not for Doctor Who.

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And I thought that that was absolutely right.

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I do have to say that there was one moment that, um, that gave me

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pause, and that was when they were talking about the fact that in

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50 years time, that have a black man in the White House, where

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they didn't say in 58 years time, they'd have a sort of loathsome

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swollen racist in the White House.

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difficulties of both Yaz and, um, that Yaz and Ryan experience uh

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in the present day, but there was a kind of sort of liberal

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hopefulness about things getting better, which I'm not sure that

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we can help ourselves to quite so easily at this present moment.

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And, you know, like as a lot of white people, we were tearing up

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at the episode.

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But, you know, things are still pretty bad out there in ways that

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we probably, you know, that we're absolutely unable to properly

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recognise.

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Now, these are the chimes of diva loca that are going off here.

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So I'm going to wake Tegan up.

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And of course, we've got time to continue.

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And I've been talking for a while.

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Todd, I think that you wanted to say something earlier.

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Well, I think so much has been said.

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I mean, I just like the, you've all said it about how this

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construction, how it was dealt with.

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I was just going to say, you look at the Shakespeare code and how

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racism.

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I think you need to be a bit louder, Todd.

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The racism that sort of, I mean, the Shakespeare code was all sort

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of, all sort of, you know, playful and jokey and made a joke of

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rather than the seriousness of this, but this could only have been

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done in this era and now.

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The one thing I was going to say is that I'm seeing some people

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online commenting now about the fact that Ryan actually shoots the

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villain of the piece with a weapon that effectively sends him back

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into the past, where there is nothing, and thus he is traded with

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nothing and will probably die.

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Wow, that's terrible.

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Well, look, putting up from the point of view that it was a gun of

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a weapon and doctors carried a gun last week and did any of you

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have problems with that at all or thought about that?

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Or, I mean, I, you know, good difference.

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Look, I mean, I, I'm beginning to wonder whether they're going to

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make a point of this.

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Two weeks in a row.

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He's picked up a weapon and been violent and is that going to be

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addressed in some way?

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Well, I don't think it was violent.

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In fact, a lot of dialogue was spent on making it clear that

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Grasco wasn't capable of violence.

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So by using his equipment.

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He doesn't do anything violent.

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He just transports him back in time.

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And, you know, there are nice caves back in time, you know.

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He gets he gets killed by Cyberman's spaceship crashing.

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No, no, he meets... and Charles Joe Grover, and they and both of

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them would like him a great deal, I imagine.

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The doctor's got the device.

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The doctor's got the device.

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She can read the settings.

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You can go pick him up and take him back to Stormcage.

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She can go pick him up and drop him in the heart of a black sand.

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I don't think I don't think that's that's violent.

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And I did kind of like that limit.

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You know, it was a very sort of setting up the story sort of limit

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so that things could be done without sort of big shootouts and

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stuff, but that's good.

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That's good.

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Having them sort of, you know, try to trick someone into not

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taking a day off and go fishing and, you know, all of that sort of

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stuff was so fun. racism against them.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yes.

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The simplicity of it, I thought, was delightful.

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I was worried about it the last 2 weeks, but I did like it this

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episode.

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This is a this is a tribinal kind of approach to drama, isn't it?

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Like, he tries to find the heart in character.

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You know, like the Broadchurch plots are actually a bit more

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complex, I think.

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Yeah.

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Um, last orders, does anyone have anything pressing that um, we

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have yet to say?

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Dead, yeah.

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I'll take that as a no.

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No, no.

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It's beautifully.

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It's beautifully done.

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I think we're all, I think we're all just stunned into silence

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because...

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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You were asking.

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But it's only at the just like Eccleston season one, which we've

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just been looking at, there really is a benefit to put to giving

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yourself another 9 months to work on the show.

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Yeah, absolutely. absolutely. that's right And I guess maybe the

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thing is that every year, every season I'd like to do, I want, at

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least one story.

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A classic or.

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Yeah.

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And it's achieved this.

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So it's a good seasoning doctor.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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All right.

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We might wind it up there.

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I'm off to petition NASA to get an asteroid named after James.

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So, you know, keep up with our Twitter feed to find out how that

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goes.

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Um, we are obviously here on Jody into Tera, and we'll be

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recording every Tuesday night with our red hot takes on the

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episode.

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If you want some far more lukewarm takes on Doctor Who series one

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uh you can catch them at flightsorentirety.com and flights through

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entirety on Apple Podcasts.

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And is there anything more that I need to say, James?

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I think so.

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All right.

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Thank you very much for listening and good night, everyone.

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Good night.

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See you soon.

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Good night.