WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-10 at 19:04:10 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.480 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody Inter Terror. 2 00:00:03.540 --> 00:00:08.099 The only doctor who flash cast with one full-time employee and 3 00:00:08.099 --> 00:00:09.419 only one listener. 4 00:00:09.480 --> 00:00:11.519 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:11.580 --> 00:00:12.419 I'm Brendan. 6 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:13.380 I'm Peter. 7 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:14.699 And I'm Todd. 8 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:22.559 So we are here to discuss the 2022 New Year's Day special Eve of 9 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:24.660 the Daleks by Christopher H. 10 00:00:24.660 --> 00:00:28.440 Shibnell, and I'm going to start just by going around the panel 11 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:33.359 and asking people how they felt about the episode generally. 12 00:00:33.420 --> 00:00:35.700 So let's start with Brendan. 13 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:38.460 Look, I enjoyed it. 14 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:42.600 I felt it was a nice standalone episode that still, you know, felt 15 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:47.100 like it was part of the ongoing narrative, but the ongoing 16 00:00:47.100 --> 00:00:50.219 narrative enhanced it rather than you needed to have seen what 17 00:00:50.219 --> 00:00:50.640 came before. 18 00:00:50.700 --> 00:00:54.000 So it was a nice little standalone entertaining special. 19 00:00:54.060 --> 00:00:56.039 Yep, I think that's fair enough. 20 00:00:56.100 --> 00:00:57.000 What do you think, Ty? 21 00:00:57.119 --> 00:00:59.579 I totally agree. 7 out of 10. 22 00:00:59.880 --> 00:01:04.140 Oh, so funny, Nathan. 23 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:10.379 Maybe, uh, maybe 7.5 to 8, 8, 8 out of 10. 24 00:01:10.620 --> 00:01:10.859 Okay. 25 00:01:10.859 --> 00:01:13.859 You know, that you ever get enough exterminations of Jodie 26 00:01:13.859 --> 00:01:14.640 Whittaker, can you? 27 00:01:16.620 --> 00:01:19.920 Don't be cruel, hashtag not my doctor. 28 00:01:21.180 --> 00:01:25.980 No, actually, I really, really liked it, and I thought Ainsing B 29 00:01:25.980 --> 00:01:28.920 was just the best thing as Sarah, she was fantastic. 30 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:31.739 Yeah, she was quite amazing. 31 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:32.760 What about you, Peter? 32 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:34.620 I enjoyed it. 33 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:37.439 I mean, I was a little bit disappointed when I heard that it was 34 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:40.200 called Eve of the Daleks, that Chipnell didn't return to his 35 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:43.079 torchwood days and make it Eve Miles of the Daleks. 36 00:01:43.140 --> 00:01:44.519 That would have been absolutely amazing. 37 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:52.019 But it kind of, it continued, um, it continued the little jump in 38 00:01:52.019 --> 00:01:56.939 quality I think that we had in flux because complexity is, I don't 39 00:01:56.939 --> 00:02:00.959 think, Chris Chibnall's friend, and this was quite easily defined 40 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:05.700 concept and easy for the viewer to grasp while not seeming 41 00:02:05.700 --> 00:02:07.140 simplistic in its delivery. 42 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:09.840 So I enjoyed it on most counts. 43 00:02:10.020 --> 00:02:12.900 Yeah, I had a lot of fun. 44 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:16.680 I watched it again today and was laughing out loud from time to 45 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:18.960 time and that hasn't happened for a while, I think. 46 00:02:19.620 --> 00:02:23.460 Let's talk about the complexity, the premise. 47 00:02:23.699 --> 00:02:31.680 What did you think of the idea of having a time loop and having to 48 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:33.719 sort of work your way out of it? 49 00:02:33.780 --> 00:02:34.740 What did you think, Tom? 50 00:02:35.099 --> 00:02:37.560 Well, I quite liked it. 51 00:02:37.620 --> 00:02:40.199 Like, I mean, you get to rewrite the same scenes over and over 52 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:45.180 again, and make them better each time or funnier or whatever. 53 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:46.259 And I quite like that idea. 54 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:50.039 I mean, obviously there were some things that were, um, didn't 55 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:53.099 quite sort of work, you know, when he, when they talked about, you 56 00:02:53.099 --> 00:02:55.560 know, if you die in the 1st minute, you know, you're going to be 57 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:58.020 dead because it's coming back a minute earlier and then in the 58 00:02:58.020 --> 00:02:59.879 next loop, Sarah died within the 1st minute. 59 00:02:59.939 --> 00:03:01.620 So it was sort of like, really? 60 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:05.520 And at the end, you're down to how many minutes to run, how many 61 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.340 levels can get out, you know, with cuts and that. 62 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:10.979 But for the most part, I thought it was, you know, entertaining 63 00:03:10.979 --> 00:03:16.439 and fun and and I liked the variations of them having to outwit 64 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:19.560 the Daleks, you know, and the Daleks had a plan and they had to 65 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:21.419 come up with a plan and a counter plan and all that. 66 00:03:22.620 --> 00:03:24.539 What about you, Peter? 67 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:26.580 You've already said something about it. 68 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:29.219 Yeah, I think time loops are always fun. 69 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:31.979 And it stands to reason that if Christopher H. 70 00:03:31.979 --> 00:03:33.960 Chibnell is going to reference Christopher H. 71 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:35.639 Goodmead, it would be Meglos, of course. 72 00:03:37.139 --> 00:03:41.580 I also thought I also thought it was quite quite amusing that on 73 00:03:41.580 --> 00:03:45.360 possibly the one occasion when the doctor exits the TARDIS and is 74 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.039 exterminated by the Daleks. 75 00:03:47.099 --> 00:03:50.520 The TARDIS just happens to have created a time loop for her to 76 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.099 conveniently get another head around the end. 77 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:54.960 But no, I mean it was very entertaining. 78 00:03:55.020 --> 00:03:57.360 The only thing it was missing was Beverly Crusher knocking over a 79 00:03:57.360 --> 00:03:57.599 glass. 80 00:04:01.500 --> 00:04:04.080 I love cause and effect. 81 00:04:04.139 --> 00:04:08.400 Holy crap, it's a really, really solid episode of Star Trek. 82 00:04:08.460 --> 00:04:10.139 I like it a great deal. 83 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:13.620 And it's real template, like, for how to do a time loop story. 84 00:04:13.620 --> 00:04:16.500 And I think maybe Chris Chibnall took a few cues from it because 85 00:04:16.500 --> 00:04:19.259 there was pleasing variation in sort of the various loops that 86 00:04:19.259 --> 00:04:19.680 went on here. 87 00:04:20.339 --> 00:04:25.500 And in reference to cause and effects, the way that the characters 88 00:04:25.500 --> 00:04:27.660 figure out they're in a time loop, and I'm specifically thinking 89 00:04:27.660 --> 00:04:30.839 of Sarah and Nick, you know, because they're, they haven't 90 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:33.480 experienced this kind of thing before, the way they figure out 91 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:36.000 they're in a time loop is because they know what's going to 92 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:36.540 happen. 93 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:39.240 But they only realise they know what's going to happen as it's 94 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:43.079 happening, and that's what happens in the next gen story as well. 95 00:04:43.139 --> 00:04:44.939 Like with the playing cards, for instance. 96 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:50.399 Um, So I really like that Sarah and Nick are allowed their own 97 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:52.079 intelligence in the time loop. 98 00:04:52.139 --> 00:04:54.600 It's not just the doctor explaining what a time loop is. 99 00:04:54.899 --> 00:04:56.339 Yeah. 100 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:59.639 And I think I think for the audience as well, things like 101 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:00.899 Groundhog Day. 102 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:05.819 And what's that recent thing with Andy Sandberg in it that has a 103 00:05:05.819 --> 00:05:06.899 time loop? 104 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:11.279 But some Palm Springs, I want to say. 105 00:05:11.339 --> 00:05:11.939 I have no idea. 106 00:05:12.300 --> 00:05:15.000 Whatever it was, it was really good. 107 00:05:15.060 --> 00:05:16.680 Yeah, yeah. 108 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:18.360 So it's a known quantity. 109 00:05:18.420 --> 00:05:22.439 It doesn't need scaffolding with like tons of exposition. 110 00:05:22.500 --> 00:05:27.240 He didn't really kind of do a very good job initially of setting 111 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:28.860 that up, I have to say. 112 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:37.980 So when Sarah looks at her phone and sees that it's what, 1153 and 113 00:05:37.980 --> 00:05:43.560 reacts to that, we haven't had that before and we had the doctor 114 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:47.160 say that the time loop was sort of 9 minutes long at the beginning 115 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:50.160 but we had to put together those 2 disparate bits of information 116 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:54.300 and kind of work it out, I think maybe that could have been 117 00:05:54.300 --> 00:05:57.180 signalled a little bit more clearly. 118 00:05:57.240 --> 00:06:00.060 But generally speaking, it was super comprehensible. 119 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:05.220 It allowed for lots of deaths and exterminations as not pointed 120 00:06:05.220 --> 00:06:05.819 out before. 121 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:12.000 And, you know, I just thought it was really fun. when you realise 122 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:14.100 how few time loops Doctor Who has done. 123 00:06:14.339 --> 00:06:15.899 Yeah. 124 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:17.519 I mean, I can think of neck loss. 125 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:19.740 Armageddon, in fact, Armageddon factor off the top of my head 126 00:06:19.740 --> 00:06:19.920 yeah. 127 00:06:19.980 --> 00:06:20.459 Yeah. 128 00:06:20.699 --> 00:06:22.860 Todd, did you want to say something? 129 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:24.959 I just thought the exterminations were fun. 130 00:06:25.019 --> 00:06:28.139 Like everybody at different points, getting to talk to the Daleks 131 00:06:28.139 --> 00:06:30.720 and I actually really liked the Daleks, like all their different 132 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:32.519 conversations and things. 133 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:36.060 I got to be witty and funny and I just like their use, really, you 134 00:06:36.060 --> 00:06:36.300 know? 135 00:06:36.540 --> 00:06:39.540 Well, let's talk about them then. 136 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:45.360 There's been some very funny photos on Barnaby Edwards, um, uh 137 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:49.680 Twitter, of him, Nick Peg, and the other Dalek operator, like 138 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.620 pointing to this tunnel, and it's like, we're going to go film in 139 00:06:52.620 --> 00:06:56.339 this bunker in our Dalek, and then taking a photo, they're all 140 00:06:56.339 --> 00:06:57.360 wearing the same trainers. 141 00:06:57.420 --> 00:06:59.459 Like, I think one of them said to the other two, you should get 142 00:06:59.459 --> 00:07:00.060 these traders. 143 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:02.579 They're really good for running around in a dumb way. 144 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:05.399 They've just been really, and so go follow Barnaby Edwards on 145 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:06.540 Twitter if you want to check that out. 146 00:07:07.259 --> 00:07:12.360 It was Barnaby Edwards in the Dalek that said, I am not Nick. 147 00:07:13.860 --> 00:07:17.579 What a shame it wasn't Nick Peg, because then you could have had 148 00:07:17.579 --> 00:07:20.399 Nick Briggs say about the Dalek with Nick Peg. 149 00:07:20.459 --> 00:07:21.240 I am not Nick. 150 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:25.139 According to Barnaby Edwards. 151 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:31.079 Nick Peg did shout, I am not Nick, across the studio in order to 152 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:35.579 activate the Dalek lights, but it actually turns out that that 153 00:07:35.579 --> 00:07:38.579 didn't matter because they weren't in shot in the final episode 154 00:07:38.579 --> 00:07:41.399 when that line of dialogue was added. 155 00:07:41.459 --> 00:07:45.180 But all of that Daleks do not have managers, Daleks do not have 156 00:07:45.180 --> 00:07:45.600 friends. 157 00:07:45.660 --> 00:07:47.160 Daleks are never sorry. 158 00:07:47.220 --> 00:07:53.639 Like it's, it's a sort of silly gag, but it, it made me laugh a 159 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:54.240 lot of the time. 160 00:07:54.300 --> 00:07:56.220 It kind of... 161 00:07:56.220 --> 00:07:57.480 Can I off those lines? 162 00:07:57.540 --> 00:07:59.279 once you go down that path. 163 00:07:59.339 --> 00:08:01.800 You can just have Dalek say endlessly silly things. 164 00:08:01.860 --> 00:08:05.399 And so it's not exactly highbrow, but it is endlessly 165 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:06.240 entertaining. 166 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:09.300 And I think one of the things that we've been missing from a lot 167 00:08:09.300 --> 00:08:12.060 of Chris Chibnall's work is a sense of fun and this broader sense 168 00:08:12.060 --> 00:08:12.540 of fun. 169 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:13.139 So, yeah. 170 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:15.300 Todd? 171 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:19.379 I like the way they were just shooting multiple shots and like 172 00:08:19.379 --> 00:08:22.560 when they were running down corridors, like, it just missed all 173 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:25.199 the time, which I think is quite brilliant because that's so 174 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:26.399 Doctor Who, you know? 175 00:08:26.459 --> 00:08:27.839 Yeah, yeah. 176 00:08:27.899 --> 00:08:30.420 Yeah, there were people complaining on Twitter that the Daleks 177 00:08:30.420 --> 00:08:31.079 kept missing. 178 00:08:31.139 --> 00:08:32.940 And it's kind of like, have you watched the show? 179 00:08:32.940 --> 00:08:34.620 Like... 180 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:39.299 And also, you know, they still got about a total of 35 kills 181 00:08:39.299 --> 00:08:40.440 across the episode. 182 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:42.179 That's pretty good average. 183 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:45.779 You know, I think I think possibly even resurrection of the Daleks 184 00:08:45.779 --> 00:08:47.940 doesn't have that body count on screen, you know? 185 00:08:48.659 --> 00:08:50.279 That's right. 186 00:08:50.340 --> 00:08:55.679 They literally kill everyone except Sarah's mum. 187 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:57.840 Yeah she was good. 188 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.899 And it was a good use of the Daleks as well. 189 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:03.539 I know we've had them in every New Year's Day special and so it 190 00:09:03.539 --> 00:09:06.360 was beginning to get a little bit wearing, but the episode just 191 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:08.220 wouldn't have been the same if you've had. 192 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:11.940 I don't know, the Silurians tromping about the place. 193 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:13.320 The Daleks made it fun. 194 00:09:13.379 --> 00:09:14.580 Yeah, yeah, they really did. 195 00:09:14.700 --> 00:09:15.840 The pterodeco. 196 00:09:18.419 --> 00:09:23.519 I think also with the Daleks, sort of, before revolution of the 197 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:26.100 Daleks last year, a lot of people were saying, like, you know 198 00:09:26.100 --> 00:09:29.519 resolution was great, but it's been so many years since we've had 199 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:32.340 a proper Daleks turn up on mass and they're shooting people from 200 00:09:32.340 --> 00:09:33.179 the sky and whatnot. 201 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:34.440 And then we got that in revolution. 202 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:36.059 And it's like, well, where do you go now? 203 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:41.279 And this, for me, is one of the more successful, if you like, low 204 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:42.960 key Dalek stories. 205 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:44.700 There's only 3 of them. 206 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:49.019 Um, And they're not trying to conquer the world. 207 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:51.720 This is a mission of revenge to take out the doctor. 208 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.659 And I actually really like, 0 my God, the Chase Mark 2. 209 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:56.039 Exactly. 210 00:09:56.100 --> 00:09:59.940 It was a more competent execution squad than those ones in the 211 00:09:59.940 --> 00:10:01.500 Dardus back in the days. 212 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:07.500 But even just the simplicity of that, you know, they're the Daleks 213 00:10:07.500 --> 00:10:08.700 and they're here to kill the doctor. 214 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:10.679 I think that's, you know, let's have that. 215 00:10:10.740 --> 00:10:11.279 It's awesome. 216 00:10:11.340 --> 00:10:14.580 All right, let's talk about the guest stars. 217 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:17.820 We've alluded to some of them Peter. 218 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:20.580 Both fabulous, I think. 219 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:23.399 I mean, I think the episode would have fallen down a little bit if 220 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:27.120 you hadn't had 2 stars who kind of had their own charm and had a 221 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:30.480 chemistry with each other and I actually haven't seen Ashling B in 222 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:33.360 anything else and I haven't seen a Jani Salmon. 223 00:10:33.419 --> 00:10:35.580 I think it's Salmon, these surnames pronounced. 224 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:37.919 I haven't seen him in anything, but they were both instantly 225 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:38.279 there. 226 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:41.820 And I think it just proves that good casting will go a very long 227 00:10:41.820 --> 00:10:42.600 way in an episode. 228 00:10:42.659 --> 00:10:43.799 Yeah. 229 00:10:43.860 --> 00:10:46.259 Well, I mean, it's something that has happened throughout the 230 00:10:46.259 --> 00:10:50.759 chibnolera, I think, where there have been excellent guest stars 231 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:53.039 kind of lifting the material. 232 00:10:53.100 --> 00:10:54.899 What did you think? 233 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:55.860 Todd? 234 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:58.500 You've already said how much you liked her. 235 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:01.379 Look, I liked him a lot. 236 00:11:01.500 --> 00:11:04.440 I'm not convinced that he's not a serial killer, despite his 237 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:07.679 protest, otherwise, if there's just too many women's clothings 238 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:09.120 with dates and names. 239 00:11:09.179 --> 00:11:12.659 So I reckon we're going to get something in the final episode with 240 00:11:12.659 --> 00:11:16.139 some poor woman's gone missing in Europe and Sarah's picture will 241 00:11:16.139 --> 00:11:16.500 come up. 242 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.879 But no, he was really good and he was funny and clever and they 243 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:22.679 were just a nice sort of balance to the regulars. 244 00:11:22.980 --> 00:11:27.120 It would have been awesome if you'd had a, if you'd had a post 245 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:30.960 credits scene where poor old Sarah was down the pit and he was 246 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:31.679 calling down. 247 00:11:31.740 --> 00:11:34.740 It puts the lotion on itself or it gets the hose again. 248 00:11:34.740 --> 00:11:44.159 I absolutely agree with you, Todd. like, I think that is, it's to 249 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:45.179 me, it's one of 2 things. 250 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:49.139 It's a breakdown in communication between the sort of scripting of 251 00:11:49.139 --> 00:11:51.779 the director and I feel like the script might have said, you know 252 00:11:51.779 --> 00:11:54.600 he has 2 or 3 things in there and the director's like, well 253 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:57.480 they've got this big storage shed, so we need to have him have at 254 00:11:57.480 --> 00:11:59.580 20 girlfriends in the last 5 years. 255 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:06.539 Yeah, except the dialogue does kind of suggest that, you know, that 256 00:12:06.539 --> 00:12:12.360 he's a slightly weird creeper, in a way, or that at least Sarah 257 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:13.200 thinks that. 258 00:12:13.259 --> 00:12:16.080 Like Sarah reacts kind of to it. 259 00:12:16.139 --> 00:12:19.919 And I really like that too, where Dan sort of calls her out for 260 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:23.220 being a bit harsh and then Yaz calls her out. you know he's right 261 00:12:23.220 --> 00:12:23.460 here. 262 00:12:23.820 --> 00:12:28.139 Like, there are people online who are saying, they're calling her 263 00:12:28.139 --> 00:12:31.620 out for pointing out his his creepy tendencies. 264 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:33.360 And the thing is, I read that scene as more. 265 00:12:33.419 --> 00:12:37.019 There's a killer outside and we'll have this discussion later. 266 00:12:37.259 --> 00:12:41.279 But yeah, I also totally get that. 267 00:12:41.340 --> 00:12:44.940 He's kind of pulled out on that and she's called out on that and 268 00:12:44.940 --> 00:12:45.840 it's not really brought up again. 269 00:12:45.899 --> 00:12:50.100 It makes me think that occasionally this era really shows that it 270 00:12:50.100 --> 00:12:52.620 is being written for children, so things are very much writ 271 00:12:52.620 --> 00:12:53.220 large. 272 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:57.240 So instead of him having 2 or 3 things, it's like, no, he's got 20 273 00:12:57.240 --> 00:12:58.379 things and that's really weird. 274 00:12:58.379 --> 00:13:01.500 And from an adult perspective, it's like, that's that, okay, but 275 00:13:01.500 --> 00:13:02.399 you can see how that's worse. 276 00:13:06.779 --> 00:13:11.279 I do think there are weird problems with the premise that are not 277 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:12.600 kind of deal breakers. 278 00:13:12.659 --> 00:13:16.559 Um, you know, the whole business makes no sense what this one 279 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:22.200 customer who has brought a monopoly board to hear, to store this 280 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:27.299 New Year's Eve and has been doing that for 3 years but has somehow 281 00:13:27.299 --> 00:13:28.440 managed to fill. 282 00:13:28.500 --> 00:13:32.820 He must have brought a wheelbarrow with him the previous to New 283 00:13:32.820 --> 00:13:34.860 Year's at all doesn't make any sense at all. 284 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:39.299 But there's so much charm and so much momentum that I don't care. 285 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:41.279 It's sort of fridge logic, isn't it? 286 00:13:41.340 --> 00:13:42.480 You sort of think about it later. 287 00:13:42.539 --> 00:13:44.100 What were you going to say Tom? 288 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:45.840 I loved a mum. 289 00:13:45.899 --> 00:13:47.159 Yeah. 290 00:13:47.220 --> 00:13:48.179 Oh yes. 291 00:13:48.659 --> 00:13:54.480 Is it is it Pauline McLinn, the actress who is Mrs. Doyle from 292 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:55.259 Father Ted? 293 00:13:55.320 --> 00:13:56.820 Yeah, yeah. 294 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:58.679 And she's just wonderful. 295 00:13:58.740 --> 00:13:59.820 She's so funny. 296 00:13:59.879 --> 00:14:04.620 And clearly the, the, the sort of structure of the episode was 297 00:14:04.620 --> 00:14:06.659 also dictated by COVID in one sense. 298 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:09.779 So they managed to have an extra cast member without having her in 299 00:14:09.779 --> 00:14:10.740 the room with anyone. 300 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:14.879 And she is just fantastically funny. 301 00:14:14.940 --> 00:14:17.580 And I love how much she loves Nick. 302 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:20.340 Like she adores Nick at the end. 303 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:21.179 It's so great. 304 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.519 I think it really proved Ashlingby's potentialist companion 305 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:29.639 because what does companion in the modern era need, a great mom? 306 00:14:29.700 --> 00:14:31.139 Yeah. 307 00:14:31.379 --> 00:14:33.000 Todd. 308 00:14:33.059 --> 00:14:35.039 I thought Jeff was great too. 309 00:14:35.100 --> 00:14:37.200 Oh, wasn't he? 310 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:42.600 Do you know I didn't I didn't recognise Carl at the end and so 311 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:45.840 naturally, I just thought, oh, is that Jeff, what's going on? 312 00:14:45.899 --> 00:14:47.940 And I was slightly disappointed. 313 00:14:47.940 --> 00:14:52.500 And I think it is absolutely perfect that we never meet Jeff, but 314 00:14:52.500 --> 00:14:55.139 that he's just a presence the entire time. 315 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:57.480 And Jeff is a funny name as well. 316 00:14:57.539 --> 00:15:00.419 So there's a lot of comedy potential for people saying Jeff, I 317 00:15:00.419 --> 00:15:00.600 think. 318 00:15:00.659 --> 00:15:05.039 You know, it just occurred to me as great as it was to see Carl 319 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:08.220 imagine if you'd had Richard Coyle walking along and saying... 320 00:15:08.220 --> 00:15:11.039 But that's that's where I keep all my stuff. 321 00:15:14.820 --> 00:15:16.379 So good. 322 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:17.879 Little coupling, joker. 323 00:15:18.539 --> 00:15:24.000 So, uh, we've talked about everyone except the actual regulars 324 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:27.779 themselves, and of course, there was a particular sort of 325 00:15:27.779 --> 00:15:29.879 character development that was pretty striking. 326 00:15:29.940 --> 00:15:35.279 How do you think the regulars stacked up this episode, Peter? 327 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:40.200 I thought Jodie continued her improved form and the improved 328 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:42.240 writing for the doctor from Flux. 329 00:15:42.299 --> 00:15:46.320 So why she, while she will never be, my favourite doctor, I 330 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:48.659 thought she was perfectly good in this episode. 331 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:52.080 Dan still doesn't have any character, but that gets by on the 332 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:52.620 performance. 333 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:55.679 And I did kind of like Yaz. 334 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:59.399 I know what you're going to reference and shall we reference it 335 00:15:59.399 --> 00:15:59.639 now? 336 00:15:59.700 --> 00:16:03.899 I am not, I am not on board with Thasmin. 337 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:05.519 I think it should be your team. 338 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:15.179 Oh, dear, just like Bender last season. 339 00:16:15.539 --> 00:16:17.159 All right. 340 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:20.519 Um, uh, Brendan. 341 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:26.340 Um, yeah, I thought the 3 regulars were really well used. 342 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:30.360 Like, Dan is just John Bishop. 343 00:16:30.419 --> 00:16:34.620 As far as I'm concerned, Dan is just John B, and that's not a 344 00:16:34.620 --> 00:16:36.480 problem as far as I'm concerned. 345 00:16:36.539 --> 00:16:38.039 He is entertaining to watch. 346 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:43.379 The scene where he, he and Yaz talk about her feelings for the 347 00:16:43.379 --> 00:16:47.639 doctor, is actually the 1st time I've cried since this era, since 348 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:50.580 Grace reappeared in It Takes You Away. 349 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:54.000 Well, I think I cried at points during the ghost monument. 350 00:16:55.620 --> 00:16:58.379 Sorry, Brandon. before then. 351 00:16:59.940 --> 00:17:03.000 Yeah, I, and you know what? 352 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:07.799 I put, I put that down to Mandate Gill's performance there, I 353 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:09.299 think. really properly good. 354 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:13.859 Yeah, she is so, I, you know, I think, in 10 years time, she's 355 00:17:13.859 --> 00:17:17.279 going to sort of have the career trajectory of Google and Barca 356 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:21.119 Raw, who, after Doctor Who has just gone from strength to strength 357 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:24.660 and great leading roles, and I see that in Bandit's future, I 358 00:17:24.660 --> 00:17:28.559 think she has so much more talent than has been tapped 359 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:30.000 indoctrinally. 360 00:17:30.059 --> 00:17:30.299 Yeah. 361 00:17:31.619 --> 00:17:36.359 And in a way, that's kind of what I want from modern Doctor Who 362 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:36.839 actors. 363 00:17:36.900 --> 00:17:40.259 I actually love seeing them go on and do more and more interesting 364 00:17:40.259 --> 00:17:40.680 things. 365 00:17:40.740 --> 00:17:46.619 And as for Jody, um, you know, Jody's always giving speeches and 366 00:17:46.619 --> 00:17:49.019 always giving it 110%. 367 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:53.039 But the speech she gives to how they're going to outwit the dalek 368 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:57.000 and then steps up in front of everyone as everyone's exterminated 369 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:57.660 in a group. 370 00:17:57.720 --> 00:17:59.099 They're not even standing in a line. 371 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:00.119 They standing at a Chevron. 372 00:18:00.180 --> 00:18:05.640 That is one of that is going to be sort of when I think what's the 373 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:07.680 iconic 13th doctor moment. going to be up there. 374 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:12.000 That's not the speech that you had to deliver about. 375 00:18:12.059 --> 00:18:15.000 We learn and we improve and we make mistakes. 376 00:18:15.059 --> 00:18:17.099 Which I just... 377 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:17.640 But then we come back. 378 00:18:17.700 --> 00:18:19.440 Which I just loathed. 379 00:18:19.500 --> 00:18:21.599 That was my low point in the episode. 380 00:18:21.660 --> 00:18:25.619 And she and she had to deliver that bit of writing. 381 00:18:25.740 --> 00:18:28.200 I was just wishing my cheeks together going, are you kidding me? 382 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:30.900 And that's not her fault at all. 383 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:32.700 But she was good. 384 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:33.960 I enjoyed her throughout. 385 00:18:34.019 --> 00:18:36.900 Like, as Peter said, much improved. 386 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:39.119 Like continuing on that improved level. 387 00:18:39.180 --> 00:18:39.420 Yeah. 388 00:18:39.779 --> 00:18:45.240 I thought that was a difficult speech to do because, you know, it's 389 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:50.700 gymnal dialogue, but she sold it really properly, I think, and 390 00:18:50.700 --> 00:18:52.140 that was excellent. 391 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:57.839 For me, Amanda, I think sold so much of her stuff really well. 392 00:18:57.900 --> 00:19:00.839 She is very underrated and underused. 393 00:19:00.900 --> 00:19:04.019 I mean, I don't know where this love for the doctor is going or 394 00:19:04.019 --> 00:19:05.279 really much come from. 395 00:19:05.339 --> 00:19:07.440 We've obviously seen it a bit in flux. 396 00:19:07.500 --> 00:19:10.740 I don't, I'm not necessarily completely on board with, with it and 397 00:19:10.740 --> 00:19:13.259 we'll see what happens, but they've got 2 more episodes to do 398 00:19:13.259 --> 00:19:14.279 whatever they're going to do. 399 00:19:14.339 --> 00:19:20.460 Um, Dan, I felt, um, I was actually quite annoyed with him in 400 00:19:20.460 --> 00:19:23.579 about the 1st 20 minutes, standing behind the doctor and Yaz. 401 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:26.579 He was making funny faces at times that I just didn't think worked 402 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:28.799 and it had very little dialogue. 403 00:19:28.859 --> 00:19:32.519 But then he had just wonderful, wonderful moments, like the 404 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:35.579 confrontation with the Dalek, that scene you mentioned with Yaz 405 00:19:35.579 --> 00:19:36.599 which I thought was beautiful. 406 00:19:36.660 --> 00:19:40.259 When he had the, what was it, the ski and the iron, ready to 407 00:19:40.259 --> 00:19:42.359 attack, like defend against the garden? 408 00:19:42.420 --> 00:19:43.799 There were wonderful moments. 409 00:19:43.859 --> 00:19:48.000 But I did again feel that, you know, unfortunately for him, you 410 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:51.839 know, there's 2 episodes to go and, you know, how much time has he 411 00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:53.880 actually spent with the doctor and how much have we really got to 412 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:56.579 know him and that's not John Bishop's fault in any way, shape or 413 00:19:56.579 --> 00:19:56.880 form. 414 00:19:56.940 --> 00:20:00.180 But, you know, he had his moments which were great, but I thought 415 00:20:00.180 --> 00:20:03.839 there were other moments where he was very much of everybody much 416 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:04.680 more in the background. 417 00:20:04.980 --> 00:20:06.480 Yeah. 418 00:20:06.539 --> 00:20:08.880 It is sort of weird, isn't it? 419 00:20:08.940 --> 00:20:11.940 Because he gets kind of lost in the kind of noise and confusion of 420 00:20:11.940 --> 00:20:12.539 flux. 421 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:15.779 He gets some great moments, you know, particularly in episode 422 00:20:15.779 --> 00:20:16.259 two. 423 00:20:16.380 --> 00:20:21.900 Um, but he never really has a conversation with the doctor in, in 424 00:20:21.900 --> 00:20:23.039 all of Flanx. 425 00:20:23.099 --> 00:20:27.660 And then there's this episode where he gets a kind of hero moment 426 00:20:27.660 --> 00:20:30.839 but is basically in the background much of the time. 427 00:20:30.900 --> 00:20:33.119 And now there's only 2 episodes to go. 428 00:20:33.180 --> 00:20:37.259 It's a bit of a shame because I do think he is he's really quite 429 00:20:37.259 --> 00:20:37.740 charming. 430 00:20:37.859 --> 00:20:39.960 And I prefer this team. 431 00:20:40.019 --> 00:20:42.839 As the doctor and Dan, I prefer this team to the other. 432 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:47.880 The one we've had before with Graham and Ryan, I much prefer this 433 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:48.660 team, you know? 434 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:56.160 I was going to talk a little bit about the love interest thing 435 00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:59.640 which I thought was really well handled. 436 00:20:59.700 --> 00:21:04.859 And there was some sort of subtext happening and all sorts of 437 00:21:04.859 --> 00:21:10.920 things, and the parallel between Nick and the doctor, the thing 438 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:15.180 about good weirdos, and that's when it kind of hits Dan. 439 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:20.460 Like, like, yes, reacts to that line about good weirdos being 440 00:21:20.460 --> 00:21:21.059 keepers. 441 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:26.940 Like she reacts quite noticeably in a really good way and Dan sees 442 00:21:26.940 --> 00:21:27.240 that. 443 00:21:27.299 --> 00:21:34.200 And, you know, we've been noticing it for a long time. 444 00:21:34.259 --> 00:21:42.240 Remember when, um, uh, when Naja meets, uh, and asks if they're 445 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:42.599 together? 446 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:44.519 Do you remember that? 447 00:21:44.579 --> 00:21:45.660 Did I dream that? 448 00:21:45.660 --> 00:21:46.140 that actually happened? 449 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:48.720 No, that's in her records in the UK because she asked for that. 450 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:50.039 Ryan first. 451 00:21:50.099 --> 00:21:53.819 And then she asks about the doctor and the denials even stronger 452 00:21:53.819 --> 00:21:55.920 and her disappointment is even stronger. 453 00:21:57.299 --> 00:22:03.420 So I was just assuming that she was bisexual from her mother's 454 00:22:03.420 --> 00:22:05.880 reaction and kind of known to be bisexual. 455 00:22:05.940 --> 00:22:10.319 But a lot of the chat has been about this being Yaz coming out. 456 00:22:10.380 --> 00:22:15.660 And I didn't think there was any of that in it. 457 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:18.960 You know, there was no kind of, I just sort of thought it was just 458 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:22.559 assumed, and the big secret, which she can't even admit to herself 459 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:24.960 is that she is in love with the doctor. 460 00:22:25.019 --> 00:22:29.220 And but the fact that she said she can't even admit it to herself 461 00:22:29.220 --> 00:22:31.079 that line really got to me. 462 00:22:31.140 --> 00:22:33.660 I don't know if it's something from my past or whatever, but I 463 00:22:33.660 --> 00:22:34.799 really felt affected by that. 464 00:22:34.859 --> 00:22:40.140 Yeah, it's, it is hard to know where they can go from here because 465 00:22:40.140 --> 00:22:43.859 there are 2 episodes and then Jody's dead at the end of the next 466 00:22:43.859 --> 00:22:44.160 one. 467 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:47.400 So, like, what happens? 468 00:22:47.460 --> 00:22:47.880 I don't know. 469 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:50.519 I think Salvix might come between them. 470 00:22:51.539 --> 00:22:56.039 Speaking of which, this is a spoilerific part of our episode. 471 00:22:56.099 --> 00:23:00.000 So you might want to go and listen to something else if you don't 472 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:01.559 watch next time trailers. 473 00:23:02.220 --> 00:23:08.460 But how do we feel about prospects for when is this next one? 474 00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:09.299 Is it at Easter? 475 00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:10.500 Do we know? 476 00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:12.420 They're just, they're just saying spring at the moment. 477 00:23:12.539 --> 00:23:13.859 Spring, okay. 478 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:17.640 So it's called Legend of the Sea Devils. 479 00:23:17.700 --> 00:23:18.539 Is that right? 480 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:19.799 Yeah. 481 00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:20.640 What do we think? 482 00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:21.299 Are you excited? 483 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:24.420 That's a big finish title if ever I heard one. 484 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:29.160 Well, I have 2 observations to make. 485 00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:33.359 I think it's endlessly entertaining that Chibnall plunders the 80s 486 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:36.720 more than anything else, given that he went on TV to criticise it 487 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:38.579 to some of the maker's faces. 488 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:40.859 And it's clear that he has taken. 489 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:46.680 The motifs for the sea devils in this coming episode from the kind 490 00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:50.400 of slightly samurai look of the sea devils in Warriors of the 491 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:50.700 Deep. 492 00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:54.000 And the other thing that I want to know is do sea devils have man 493 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:54.660 dip gills. 494 00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:57.359 Oh, no. 495 00:23:57.420 --> 00:24:01.140 You're just full of great tons tonight, aren't you? 496 00:24:04.019 --> 00:24:06.299 Look, I'm going to say this. 497 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:07.740 I'm actually quite exciting. 498 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:10.319 We better get a murka, a baby attacking murka. 499 00:24:10.380 --> 00:24:10.980 That's what I like. 500 00:24:11.940 --> 00:24:13.980 That would be fantastic. 501 00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:18.119 You know, look, I think he's done a great job on the redesign of 502 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:18.960 the Centaurans. 503 00:24:19.019 --> 00:24:21.420 I thought the glimpse of that sea devil looked great as well. 504 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:28.140 I liked the side, the big cyberman heads that were not flying in 505 00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:29.460 whatever episode that was. 506 00:24:29.700 --> 00:24:32.640 And I even like the skinny daleks. 507 00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:36.180 So I do think there's been some good design work, whether or not 508 00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:37.859 we get a story that's going to be any good. 509 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:43.799 Well, we've got a co-writer, so we've got A 75, 95% chance that it 510 00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:44.579 will be. 511 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:50.220 Are you excited, Brendan? 512 00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:57.180 I'm, I'm really excited and especially because the new mask for 513 00:24:57.180 --> 00:25:00.900 the sea devils, it looks so much like the original, but just, how 514 00:25:00.900 --> 00:25:03.599 could we do, how could we do that with modern technology and 515 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:04.200 sculpting? 516 00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:08.640 And the other thing it put me in mind of was the late 80s, early 517 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:12.480 90s, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles films, whose animatronics were 518 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:14.579 cutting edge and still look amazing now. 519 00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:18.900 And it's kind of like if they can get that, well, obviously they 520 00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:19.680 can get that level. 521 00:25:19.740 --> 00:25:26.339 But if they can get that sort of realism and excitement, um, Going 522 00:25:26.339 --> 00:25:28.380 I think that's going to be absolutely brilliant. 523 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.259 And also, in common with a lot of the other Chibnol era 524 00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:32.220 historicals. 525 00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:36.059 This is an era and a personality. 526 00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:37.079 I don't know anything about. 527 00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:42.299 So I'm also excited by that as much as I'm excited by the sea 528 00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:42.900 devils. 529 00:25:42.900 --> 00:25:46.500 And of course, Twitter's going nuts with, well, God, what's 530 00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:50.279 Russell T. Davey's got left to bring back Crinoids, the Candyman. 531 00:25:55.619 --> 00:25:58.440 The twins from the twin dilemma. 532 00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:00.000 Uh, Yep. 533 00:26:00.059 --> 00:26:01.619 Mr. child. 534 00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:03.960 Marx and Geralds. 535 00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:08.640 All right. 536 00:26:08.700 --> 00:26:10.259 Well, I think we're done. 537 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:14.579 So does anyone have any urgent closing statements? 538 00:26:14.700 --> 00:26:18.960 If the sea devils don't have those little disc guns with fiery 539 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.160 with the flash bits from them. 540 00:26:20.220 --> 00:26:22.980 I'm going to be deeply disappointed, but being chip no, I know 541 00:26:22.980 --> 00:26:23.460 that they will. 542 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:24.960 Yeah. 543 00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:28.079 Well, they've got string vests and even string vests on their 544 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:28.740 pendant. 545 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:30.779 So I think the chances are good. 546 00:26:31.619 --> 00:26:33.180 All right. 547 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:35.579 So let's plug a few things. 548 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:38.039 Brendan, do you have anything that you want to plug? 549 00:26:38.339 --> 00:26:43.019 Yep, a walk to work out with Whittaker, episode 18, is up on my 550 00:26:43.019 --> 00:26:46.380 YouTube channel, Brandy Bongos for this episode, Eve of the 551 00:26:46.380 --> 00:26:46.920 Daleks? 552 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:50.099 And the links are in the show notes. 553 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:57.299 I'm going to plug just the Flight 3 Entirety podcasting Universe 554 00:26:57.299 --> 00:27:01.380 which gets bigger every day. 555 00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:06.180 So flight through entirety is on hiatus between series 6 and we'll 556 00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:09.660 be back later this year with our coverage of series 7. 557 00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:17.039 And we also have maximum power on hiatus between series A and 558 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:19.019 series B, but that would be bad. 559 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:19.859 Well done, Nathan. 560 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:20.940 I know. 561 00:27:20.940 --> 00:27:23.940 I'm folding. 562 00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:31.259 And so if you want to listen to more sort of whittering about 563 00:27:31.259 --> 00:27:35.579 middle brow science fiction properties, there's always untitled 564 00:27:35.579 --> 00:27:40.079 Star Trek project, which has just released an episode on the swarm 565 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:44.700 and you will hear at the end of that episode that we are going to 566 00:27:44.700 --> 00:27:48.599 do our 1st episode of Star Trek Prodigy this Friday. 567 00:27:48.900 --> 00:27:52.859 All right, thank you all for joining us. 568 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:59.220 And all that remains is for me to say, until next time, if you're 569 00:27:59.220 --> 00:28:02.880 listening, Donny, I want my Sony mini disc player back. 570 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:05.940 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 571 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.019 Good night. 572 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:09.299 Good night. 8 out of 10. 573 00:28:09.539 --> 00:28:10.740 See you soon.