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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody into Terra.

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The only Doctor Who, Flashcast that's kind of disappointed that

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Tarpoc turned out to be such a terrible parent.

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I'm Nathan.

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James.

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I'm Todd.

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I'm Johnny.

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So we are just a couple of days away from our 1st watching of

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Village of the Angels.

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Is that it's called?

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Angels of the Damn?

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Angels of the Damned.

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Chapter 4, Village of the Angels.

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Flux.

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Seriously, Doctor Who Flux.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's got quite a long title.

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By Chris Chibnall and Maxine Alderton, who we met last season

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didn't we?

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doing the haunting of Villa Diodati.

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And this is directed by one of the 2 directors this season.

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So it's Jamie Magnus Stone, who's done a bunch, everything except

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last week's episode, I think.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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So let's start in the traditional fashion by going around the

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panel and just getting our hot takes on how well we thought this

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episode went.

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And Johnny, would you mind starting us off?

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I'd love to.

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I thought this was terrific.

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I really enjoyed it.

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It was spooky and surprising and I thought the script just zipped

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along.

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I thought it was directed really stylishly.

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You know, I don't think there's a few bits and pieces I'm not 100

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on, but I just felt this was this was the sort of episode that you

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could fit into any year of the program.

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It would work really well and um, my favourite thus far, I think

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for this little clutch of of fluxy episodes.

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Hmm.

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Okay.

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What about you, Todd?

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I totally agree.

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It's not going to be a lot of fighting on this episode, I think

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got nothing more.

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That's solid 9.8 from Tom.

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It's definitely a 9 out of 10.

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Yeah. was there anything more that struck you?

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We're happy to see, you know, Tarpoc back and Hugo Lang.

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They're still getting work.

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It was great.

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Yeah, it was really great.

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It was really good. with Barbara Felden from Max Smart, you know?

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were great.

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That was so funny because when they 1st saw Claire in episode one

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you know, even though their time travellers, they thought she was

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a weirdo for saying that she'd met them.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It's kind of like, okay, that has happened to you before, but

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whatever.

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And she did seem a little bit pathetic.

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And here she sort of turns up and she's fab, you know, she's got

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the earrings and she has the Barbara Felden hair and she's loving

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being in the 60s.

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She's been there for 2 years and she's gone completely native, I

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reckon.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I think she's awesome How did you feel about the episode, James?

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Oh, I thought it was terrible.

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Yeah, that's right.

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This gibnal rubbish.

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I loved it.

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I think it's possibly the best story of the entire Whitaker era.

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Like, I just, yeah, I found myself just thoroughly engrossed and

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the cast were fantastic.

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The script was fantastic.

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95%.

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Wow, yes, yeah, no. someone else was writing the dialogue.

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And I actually found it all.

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I also kind of liked it.

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A lot of it wasn't science-y.

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Yeah, she's a psychic.

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She's like, it wasn't that, you know, it was some weird, timey

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whimey thing.

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She had a premonition because she's psychic.

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Um, the sort of lack of explanation of a lot of it was nice as

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well.

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Not something you usually get in the era.

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There's probably room for a 20 minute speech in episode, you know

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6 about how...

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Don't tempt fate.

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But I have to say I'm the same.

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Yeah, well, I think that the 2 big episodes so far.

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This could be like Star Trek movies, right?

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Like the odd numbered ones are a bit crap.

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And then the even numbered ones are really good, except that

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episode 6 is the last one and we have the sort of...

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It does fill you with foreboding that episode 6 is coming, doesn't

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it?

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Like, does a little bit.

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You really, you really want him to stick the landing, but just on

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previous, on previous form you're worried.

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Yeah, we'll talk a little bit more about this later because I

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think it is an interesting thing now that we have 5 episodes into

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this sort of 6 part story.

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I think, you know, we have an idea, I think, of how it's, how it's

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working.

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But let's talk about the eponymous or possibly titular angels.

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How do we think they came off in this particular episode?

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What do you think, Todd?

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I loved him.

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I love seeing different things, you know?

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The one coming out of her drawing being like on fire when the

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doctor sent, the picture on fire, and, um, what was I going to

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say?

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Yeah, no, I just thought they were tremendously used and it's nice

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to see different things and actually written by somebody else

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rather than Stephen Moffatt too.

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You know, I think that's just to bring the same stuff, but a

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different take.

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I did think it was hilarious that whenever, like, only somebody

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had to look at them while the doctor or somebody else moved around

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them.

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It was a bit of, I found it a little bit like, um, Sarah and the

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3rd doctor with the, the rust and very robot in the 5 doctors

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where he tells her to stand still while he moves like, you know, at

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speed.

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So I thought that was quite funny, but no, I thought they were

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they were utilised really well.

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What about you, Johnny?

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You know, I think the angels are, they're predictably good in the

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way that the way of shooting them has been established so well by

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now, like ever since Blink, you know, you've got the the jump cuts

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and the, you know, the staggered moves forward that they're almost

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story proof, in a way, because like no other monster.

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Somebody comes to this knowing how you've got to shoot an angel

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story, I think.

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And so, you know, you turn down the lights.

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You put them in the rain, you put them in a spooky house, you, you

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should, and it was, so they're in a way where the show is most

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reliable asset that it's got.

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And it's a bit surprising they haven't been back sooner, I think.

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But also, but also like having having a voice to them too.

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Like the way in which they could talk through other people.

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And it made me think how smart Stephen Moffat was to introduce the

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idea of of the image being able to reproduce the angel because

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that has really opened up the stories you can tell with it.

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And you can see in this episode they found lots of different ways

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to play with it.

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See, like, I think that the angels are set up by Moffat to feed

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into the particular story he wants them to go in, and so they have

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the features that they need for that throw to work.

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So sending you back in time, well, it does that because it's a

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story about how brief life is and mortality, you know, blink in

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your life is over.

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suddenly dead or old or whatever.

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And then in the next story, you've got the idea that, you know, if

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an angels on your television screen, you know, it's not just the

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it's not just the statues that you see as you walk around the city

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that are a threat.

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It's now you watching this.

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So not watching them is threatening, but watching them is also

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threatening.

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And, you know.

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So that sort of constellation of features don't make sense.

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They do, they are designed for those 2 particular stories, but now

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they're Doctor Who monsters with sort of entry in the monster

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manual and, you know, special attacks and all of that sort of

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thing.

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And it turns out that even under those circumstances, they work

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really well.

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Well, they also managed to do some interesting new twists on not

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just the, you know, the fire and the, the, um, the, the printing

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the printing out of the angel on the, um...

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I don't know, but I realised that was going to happen.

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I just thought, this is going to be good.

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This is going to be really good.

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And then as Hugo, what's his name?

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Eustacius Jericho.

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Jericho.

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And even that, like, silly name. is a great silly name.

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It's not a stupid...

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Space name.

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It's it's a believable sort of, you know, model class, sort of

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comedy professor name. name.

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Yeah we are.

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Yes, yeah.

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But as he, uh, runs past the angel and and looks up and then the

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sand falls in his eye and you see the angel and then he blinks and

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he suddenly in 1901 and all in all in one sort of movement that

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like it was really um, impressively edited.

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It was very smart.

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I think it's, it is good to give them a voice to occasionally

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vocalise what they're thinking, but it's great that they use it

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sparingly because because the angels are silent, they're also

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mysterious and we don't necessarily know what they're planning.

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So as long as they use that trick carefully.

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The, they, they have managed over the years to, to infuse the

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angels with a sort of cruelty.

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Like they mention it today too, but and that's really interesting

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for characters that can't speak, but they've somehow managed to

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feed this idea that actually they like playing with their

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victims.

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Um, so I think they've, um, you know, thankfully, they got the

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balance right again.

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I think.

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I do like how they're always women.

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They always have men's voice.

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Oh, no, well, except that one that has Claire's voice.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That scene, which I thought was amazing, the sort of dreamscape on

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the beach.

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She's a terrific actress.

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Like she gave a great performance because I felt through a, we'd

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met her once, right?

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A couple of episodes ago.

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And this time, well, she was putting us on edge all the time about

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whether she was in on the deal in some way or whether she was

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genuinely an innocent who'd been dragged into this.

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Was she benign or was she sinister?

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I felt she played that line really well.

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her and Jericho.

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They're such good performers and the, when they, when they're

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paired up with the doctor.

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Actually, those are the most successful parts of the episodes, I

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think, where that trio is together in the house, because they're

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all such, you know, they're such skilled performers, I think.

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I think Brendan said it weeks ago that, you know, giving Jody

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separating her from her companions and getting her other people to

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work off, which is a very doctorish thing, and I think it again

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worked really well here, and I really did enjoy her performance

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this week, like I've never enjoyed it before.

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I think, you know, she was good in the Santara episode as well.

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I think that they've given her many more opportunities to do more

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interesting things.

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And I think that's right.

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Like having her face these new people and interact in particular

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with Jericho, I think, worked really well for her, you know

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playing off someone different.

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I'm looking forward to the moment where she actually has a

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conversation with Dan. you know what I mean?

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He's been in it for like 4 episodes now and there's no sign that

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she really even knows who he is.

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He's dad. you know.

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There's the sense that there's the sense that she hasn't had time

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to have that conversation yet.

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And, you know, maybe there'll be some, that would be interesting

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if it becomes a critical point in the story somewhere, but she

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needs to connect with him or know something about him that

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actually she hasn't, she's been too, too busy running around

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terrible cold, wet locations to actually meet the person she's

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travelling with.

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Um, so we shunt, uh, we shunt poor old Yaz and Dan off into a sort

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of side plot in 1910, 1901.

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It was an anagram.

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I got it pretty close.

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How did we feel that?

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That's probably the one of the less successful parts of it for

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me.

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And I'm always slightly itchy when we give more than one companion

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the job of one companion.

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So, and this happened quite a lot in the previous 2 seasons where

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you might have 3 companions in a scene, but only one point of

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view.

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And so we send Yaz and Dan back to 1901, but actually they're not

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both needed to make that work.

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There's really only, you only only need one of them, preferably

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Yaz, I would have thought.

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And, and so it's, it's not, and then it's not quite as incident

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filled and as pacy as the rest of the show.

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And I think partly, partly, it's a bit hard to blame this series

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for that when it mixes these threads together in a story, because

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it's a serialised story, it's not meant to be a one episode story

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things should move at different paces and they should be different

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things.

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So it's a little bit hard to criticise it.

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But it, there is a real gear shift between the 1967 stories on a

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67, isn't it?

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And the 1901 story.

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And then there's another gear shift between that and the alien

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planet story.

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So I think the 1901 is not quite as successful.

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We might leave the alien planet one to the end, um, and let's talk

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about the, um, the quantum extraction.

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So we discover at some point during the uh, during the episode, in

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both time streams, the village has been extracted out of time.

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How well do you think that worked, Todd?

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Um...

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Sorry, I'm just thinking about it.

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Um, it was, you know, it was good to see, like, as a shock, but

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then to actually have the sort of day night thing convenient, let's

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talk over the barrier type thing, so we're all there at the end.

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I don't know about that bit.

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I mean, that's, you know, was there for the plot?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I have to say that Gerald, is it Gerald?

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It didn't seem all that fast by it.

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You know, he was still going to storm off home despite the fact, do

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you know what I mean?

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Like he just didn't seem sort of, well, yes, we are.

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I just realised you're talking about tarpok.

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Yes, that's tough.

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It would be much better if we could just call him tarp

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especially.

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I've got this idea that he might have, he might have talked to

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Kevin McNally on set, you know, and might have said, you know, oh

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God, back in the day, back in the 1980s, I was in the worst Doctor

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Who story at all of all time.

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Kevin McNally just goes, hold my beer.

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It's 2 season 21 guests in the one story.

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It's pretty great.

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That moment, the moment where Peggy?

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Um, where, where her... um, what a great uncle and um, an aunt

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died and she just says he was never nice to me.

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Yeah, she seemed like a bit of a psycho.

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Kind of good.

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I did kind of spot that she was Mrs. Watt's a face.

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Mrs. Olive Hawthorne's non-union, Mexican equivalent from the kind

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of beginnings, the beginning scene.

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You worked that out?

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Yeah, just moments before it sort of became clear, like it, because

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Claire had said the thing about the long way around in, in, in

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part one, in chapter one, and so I was kind of thinking about

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that.

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So, you know, clearly someone has to live through, you know, all

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the way.

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Um, yeah.

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I love that her great plan is to write notes and leave them around

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every house in the village and just leave.

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That's it.

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Like, I can't think of a better way of communicating the threat to

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you all.

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Just going to write mysterious messages and push them into your

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mailbox and then you don't ask me any more questions about it.

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I have to say, Claire says, oh, and by the way, everyone in the

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village disappears tonight. and it's just, why are you still here

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then, darling?

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What you thought you'd stay here and do some experiments with

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Professor Jericho and just wait for that to happen, you know?

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Haven't you got a car?

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Or seek to avoid it or, yeah.

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That you own a town, maybe.

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I don't know Why does she say she's going home the long way around

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if she hasn't experienced?

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Yeah. past, yeah.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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It's very weird It's mysterious.

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It is mysterious.

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And one of the things is, like, some people on the panel last week

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were reluctant to judge episode 3 because they didn't know how

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this ends, but this is a story where we don't have a resolution

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and what we have instead is a cliffhanger.

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How did you find the cliffhanger, Todd?

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What a wonderful cliffhanger.

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But now, of course, Chris has to resolve it.

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Yeah, which leaves me with a little bit of angst.

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Yeah, we'll see how it goes, but it was astounding visually.

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What do you think, Johnny?

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Oh, it was great.

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And it's going to sell a 1000000 action figures, isn't it?

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You know, the new Jody Whittaker, Angel, um, edition is going to

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be, going to be good.

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It's, yeah, it was a, it was terrific and it was genuinely, well, I

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was genuinely surprised that at the series of events that lay, lay

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up to that.

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Um, and I think it's a script that genuinely surprises in regular

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intervals throughout the throughout the 50 minutes or whatever it

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is.

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So it's, it's a really good, a really good trick to play.

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I'm not. a bit worried about all the stuff about the division that

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actually I'm not really going to care about that when it's finally

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revealed in its big in its glory.

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Like, it's, it's, yeah. she's some sketchy thing from the past.

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Big deal, you know.

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Yeah, also, do you think next week is a Dr. Light episode?

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Oh.

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Well, she doesn't appear in the next week trailer, but then she's

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not going to because we don't want to spoil it.

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She's okay after that incredible gloofhanger.

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It's possible, but I wonder why they would do that in a 6 episode

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series.

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Well, no, well, exactly, but they could.

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She'll be fine by it. 10 minutes in, I reckon.

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So we don't end on the cliffhanger, though.

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We break into the closing credits to conclude the B plot, which

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has been running through the episode.

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And I can't remember what happens in that scene.

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Oh, Vinder meets...

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What's his face from the Inbetweeners?

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The guy from the, it's, it's ross from the Inbetweeners.

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Now I recognise it.

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Okay.

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So he meets Ross from the inbetweeners.

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He's so sweet.

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I wondered why I liked him and it's obviously just residual

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goodwill from that.

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How did we feel that plot went?

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Todd.

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You keep coming to me.

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I know.

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It was okay.

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I just, you know, this whole love thing across the galaxy

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searching for everybody.

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I mean, it slowed it down, I guess, you know, in these 50, 50, 60

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minute episodes.

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It was there.

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It was like going to Utopia Planet, you know, the next door planet

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to Utopia.

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You know, it was okay.

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I mean, it's advancing that a bit.

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I wasn't, I didn't dislike it, but, you know, I, I was more

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enthralled with what was going on with the angels.

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It did it did suffer from space dialogue.

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Yeah, I think there's a gymnal is very much responsible for

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writing what everyone says in the scene.

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I've heard of passenger forms.

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Me and my, yes, unborn child.

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That was an odd contribution, wasn't it?

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Yeah.

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I was a little bit...

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Go on, Johnny.

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Well, you know, I did love the bit where everyone has to stand it

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with a one. 5 metre distress from each other.

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That's so...

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I wanted I wanted hand sanitiser being given out and everyone

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checking their vaccination passports.

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But actually, I felt that bit about Bell recognising the passenger

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suggested to me that that might have originally been written for

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Vinder, who actually was in the episode last week and saw the

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passenger and saw...

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Ah, yeah.

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So, and so it's, it is interesting about why we're following

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Bell's journey rather than Vinder's journey.

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Yeah.

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Because Vindor's the character we know a little bit about.

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I'm not, um, but I think Bell's a really interesting character.

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She's really, um, played with real vigour and I'm interested in

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learning more about her, but, um, the whole point of that that

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strand seemed to be so that we could discover that, um, azure is

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harvesting all these people.

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And it didn't feel like enough for that plython, but that whole

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strand just to find out that piece of information.

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And it did feel like Planet of Chibnell, didn't it?

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It did have that.

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It doesn't like that might have been.

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Maxine Alderson might have said, you leave me out of this park.

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I kind of hate that sort of horrible post-apocalyptic.

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Everything is miserable chibnal thing that we get all the time, you

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know, liking ascension of the side men and stuff.

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Like, I just find that sort of super miserable and tedious.

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And so I am a little bit worried about next week's episode given

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the title that we already have that we're not going to say.

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So, yeah, yeah.

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And, you know, clearly it had to break in at the end because we

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wanted to end on that, but we didn't want to wreck the cliffhanger

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like we couldn't go out.

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You know, we needed the sting on Jody on, you know, Jody's

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transformation and then we still needed to tie up that thing.

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Interestingly spare version of the Doctor Who theme without...

472
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Yeah, yeah.

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The angels have broken it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's true.

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And you can watch them in 1967 on your big, big cathode ray ETV, so

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you know, smash it.

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All right.

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So I think we're done.

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Does anyone have any final statements?

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No one ever does.

482
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I don't know why I asked, really.

483
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Okay.

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And cut it there.

485
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Look, it's probably the best episode since Peter Capaldi's finale

486
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in my opinion, so or not quite the finale, but...

487
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Yeah, that's right.

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So let's just hope that we get a great conclusion.

489
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Hmm.

490
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Yeah, let's hope.

491
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All right.

492
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I was being sincere.

493
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Everyone is just leaning on.

494
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All right.

495
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So, you're my only hope.

496
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So, meanwhile, uh, flight through entirety continues unabated and

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next Sunday will be doing the God complex with friends of the

498
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podcast, Conrad Westmas and Sihart, who uh, is making his FTE

499
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debut, which is kind of fun.

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We have Brandon's YouTube channel where he has recorded an extra

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long walk to work and then walk around the block again with

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Whittaker because he had a lot to say.

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And, of course, you can catch us on maximum power, where we are

504
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continuing to cover series A. I'm told it's called of Blake 7.

505
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And then this Friday untitled Star Trek Project is doing its 1st

506
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Star Trek Discovery episode.

507
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Is that true?

508
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Yeah.

509
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Okay.

510
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So you will want to tune in to that.

511
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All right.

512
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So in that case, until next time, remember to pour one out for

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Kevin McNally, who finally got to appear in a good Doctor Who

514
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story and may my owns rot for saying it.

515
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Thank you very much for listening and good night.

516
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Good night.

517
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See you soon.

518
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Good night.