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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody Inter Terror, the

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only Doctor Who flash cast that's here to investigate the time

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irregularities in Sector 9, which, as I am well aware, affect each

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and every one of us in the inner galaxy.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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I'm Brendan.

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And I'm Todd.

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So we are here just a couple of days after the 1st broadcast of

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Once, Upon Time, which is written by Chris Chibnell.

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And I guess my 1st question goes to you, Brendan.

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What the hell is going on?

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Um, Look, I think that the central conceit that this episode

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introduces is that someone, and I was thinking it was the Time

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Lords, but they never explicitly mentioned, someone has decided

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they need to control time and are running it through these 6

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beings called Maury in order to control it, and something about

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that control is breaking down, and we don't know whether that's

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been induced or whether that is time itself reasserting itself.

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So that seems to be the mystery.

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But the flux is space-based.

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So are we being set up for space versus time, which is an

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interesting concept?

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Well, yeah.

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I'm not sure it's an interesting culture, but it is actually

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alluded to, I think, in the thing.

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I think we do talk about space versus time.

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Todd, did you get what was going on?

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I think so.

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Kind of.

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I was sort of intrigued.

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And then I was also disengaged.

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Like, you know, after I worked out how this story was going to be

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told.

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I kept looking at my watch every 5 minutes saying, well, are we on

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to the next episode?

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Are we finishing soon?

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I mean, that sounds horrible.

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But I kept looking at the watch saying, surely this is going to be

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over so I can get onto the next thrilling episode, which I

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actually am really looking forward to.

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I mean, you know, the whole, Ending with the angels and all that, I

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was really like quite, oh, yes, yes, this is wonderful, but, I

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don't know, getting there.

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I like, you know, don't get me wrong.

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I did, I did like, various parts of this, and sometimes I was

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really quite engaged, and other times I was just like, okay.

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Yeah, I had a very similar experience actually, Todd.

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I, I was sort of there for the 1st 20 minutes and then I sort of

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started to, you know, the thing where you like move the mouse to

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make the scrubber appear so you can see how far along the episode

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you are.

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I would be lying if I denied that I had done that more than once

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during this era while watching the episodes for the 1st time.

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But I was a little bit bored.

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But Nathan, you know, I think it is difficult.

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We're in episode three.

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We can't give everything away.

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And we've got to reveal more information to keep people watching.

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So, you know, how do you do that in an interesting way, you know?

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And and not just have a big info dump, which we've encountered

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behind of what we had, I think.

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James, you like this episode a great deal.

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I think.

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Oh, I really enjoyed this episode.

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Can you hear that sarcasm in my voice?

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Um, Actually, on 2nd viewing, I enjoyed it a hell of a lot more

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but on the 1st viewing, I found myself doing this exactly that

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that thing that you've both mentioned, which is checking the time

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every 10 minutes or so, I was like, how long is there left of this

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episode?

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Um, There were some really great set pieces.

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It looked beautiful.

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I...

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I enjoyed the performances.

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Um, but it was really uneven.

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I think I think that's the thing I'm struggling with.

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Um, and look, this is something I've struggled with with most of

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Christian Mills, Doctor Who is, it's uneven.

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I have moments of brilliance and then moments where you're just

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like, 0 God, what's going on here?

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So, I think we can divide the episode into 3 bits.

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So let's just start with the, uh, you know, Yazdan and Vinda are

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in their time streams reliving things.

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How did you feel about that bit in particular, Brendan?

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Uh, look, for the most part, I really enjoyed it.

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I was a little frustrated that once again, Yaz seemed to get the

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lesser part of that, but I thought it was clever in that, we have

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seen Yaz's past, but instead we see probably a bit of her future

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where she's sitting with Sonya, and my immediate thought was

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that's not their flat.

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That's the house from flatline where the woman goes through the

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floor with the hanging chair.

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But then Yaz says, this isn't even my house and the doctor says

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this could be a memory from the future.

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And I love that.

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I love seeing Sonya again.

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I was so worried we weren't going to see any of the khans and yeah

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it would have been great to see Naja, but I love seeing Sonya

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again.

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Um, and I, and I think it gave us, um, A much needed fleshing out

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of vindor.

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Because I was, I was ready to believe that the reason he was

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shunted off onto that station was that, you know, he was

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incompetent and like and like let, let the president's cat die or

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something because he grew some mice too big.

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But instead, he's actually a highly moralistic character.

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And I enjoy that introduction, especially because, He, we don't, he

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doesn't speechify it.

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Like he says, I'm really sorry.

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I thought I was doing the right thing, but that's it.

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You know, he don't, it's not a, it's not a big, it's not a big

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speech.

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It's a small decision.

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Um, that tells us about his character.

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So generally, I thought those bits were quite successful and it

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was fun seeing Jodie flying about on Kirby Wires.

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I, um, I, I was surprised he's still alive, to be honest, given

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how ruthless the great serpent was.

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I was like, how is he just?

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Like, exiled to a space station?

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Why wasn't he, you know, knocked off in the same way that, um, the

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political opponents were?

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Oh, how about this?

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The Grand Serpent is responsible for the flux and centred in his

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direction.

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It's got nothing to do with the doctor.

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No.

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It's all been no, yeah.

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Todd, did you like those bits?

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I have mixed sort of thoughts about them, you know, um, The Yaz

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stuff, I did think she was perhaps short changed, but she got to

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be in some of the other sequences, but I just didn't think she

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brought anything different from what she normally does.

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That's my opinion of that.

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And but, you know, tying her to the angels sort of helped the link

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at the end. you know, that was quite good. in the end, but as it

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was happening, I was going, okay.

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Um, Having Jody, do a different role as the policewoman.

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Like when she plays a real person, Jody's really good.

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That was the best bit of the episode, I have to say, that was

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incredibly great.

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I mean that in all seriousness.

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I thought it was really wonderful.

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Well, even when she's playing a different version of the doctor.

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She thinks you better.

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Like, giving her the lines that you'd give to Ruth.

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Um, to like to the fugitive doctor.

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Just giving her that menace and that sort of anger and that

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power.

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I just, yeah, I find it, Difficult to reconcile.

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You can write that for a bit part character.

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Why can't you write that for your lead?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I, you know, we'll come back to this in 2027 or something and I

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think we'll probably have a clear idea, but I think that seems

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sort of fairly reasonable.

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For me, I thought that the storylines were all just a little bit

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generic, you know, there was nothing sort of particularly

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surprising there.

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I mean, they were okay.

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You know, they were kind of good enough, but, you know, and I

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guess we needed that from Vinder, but, like, he, Gibble does

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things.

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I think that other showrunners would have done very much more

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quickly and entertainingly, I think he tends to draw them out a

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bit.

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And so, you know, like that sort of stuff was okay, I think.

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And certainly I was still on board with the episode at that

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point.

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I think, um, was it was it friend of the podcast?

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Kevin?

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Um, who, who wondered on Twitter today, like whether, If, if this

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if that plot had been witched by Stephen Moffatt, whether we would

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actually have enjoyed it because he would have just been much

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more.

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Skilful and witty about the whole thing?

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It is despite being odd in a way that I quite liked, you know, that

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was an unusual way of telling the story and a bit dreamlike and

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all of that and that was good.

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But it was still very linear and it was still very, very kind of

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you know, we were hit over the head with a time stream thing.

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There was no point at which we're allowed to be disoriented

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really.

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So, you know, I don't know.

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Um, Let's, unless anyone has anything more to say about that bit.

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I do want to move on to talk about the swarm in the temple

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confronting the doctor.

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What did we think, Brendan?

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Um, I, much like James alluded to earlier, I, I think it gave Jody

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something really interesting to do.

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And also, it shows us because, you know, a lot of people, including

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myself, loved the fugitive doctor from the 2nd she appeared.

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But I've kind of thought about it and I thought, what is her

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actual character because we've only seen her for 25 minutes, you

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know?

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And what this brings back is actually she's quite reckless.

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And it's like thinking back to fugitive.

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Yeah, she was pretty reckless there as well And that gives us a

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sort of handle for her character.

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I would have liked to see her more fully, but it was great to have

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her there.

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I think an effort was made to ensure that we knew that she was

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very moral as well, that even though she was a policeman, even

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though she worked for this shady organisation, she was a good

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person, in a way that was sort of alluded to in a ascension of the

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cyberman with what's his name, the cop, the ginger Irish cop

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Brendan, that's it.

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Brendan.

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Brendan.

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Todd.

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My eyebrows, yeah.

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Todd, what did you think?

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I love seeing the Ruth doctor and I wanted to see more of her in

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that confrontation.

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I mean, obviously they needed to give stuff to Jody, but I just

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wanted to be the roof doctor.

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Every time she's on screen, I really love her.

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And unfortunately, it shows up for me, what's lacking in the

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writing for the 13th doctor.

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And, um, You know, Jody was fine, but I just enjoyed Ruth Moore

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and I wanted more of that, you know, especially once you'd worked

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out.

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That it was that memory.

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I just wanted it sort of to glitch into her, you know?

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So, I don't know what to say.

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Like.

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I do love how it's not actually clear.

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Whether they are memories.

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And then it's kind of implied that they're they're actually, Well

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they are actually in their time stream.

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They are, their consciousness has kind of, lodged in a moment in

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their in their history.

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Yeah, she can't remember this point where...

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But to like, I mean, not so much for for Yaz and Dan and Vinder.

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But for the 13th doctor, where that moment where Ruth looks at her

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and goes, who are you?

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It's like, oh, she's actually, she's actually in her, in her

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timeline.

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She's experiencing that live.

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I really enjoyed that.

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And look who she's got as a companion.

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Yep, the 1st companion Carvanista.

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It's a thing.

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No wonder he wants to get rid of.

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No wonder he wants to get rid of the 13th chart.

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And you know what?

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You know what I wonder?

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Because I was thinking, who are Yaz and Vinder, really?

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And I had to, I had to wonder, well, 1st of all, you know, we know

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we've lost 4 episodes from this series, so maybe there were

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characters who were going to be introduced elsewhere, but I wonder

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if one of them is meant to be Neil Stook, who was her companion in

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Fugitive.

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Oh, yeah, of course.

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Lee, thank you.

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And, you know, with things being what they are, if you don't

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absolutely need an actor on set, you're not going to bring them

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in.

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So I totally understand the production reason for that, but I

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think that would have been something they thought of.

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Oh yes, of course, all of this is a sort of COVID thing, isn't

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it?

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The reason that we've got our regulars playing other parts is

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because we don't want to bring that many actors.

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It's someone pointed out that the Sontara last week shouting at

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Jody across the battlefield was some pretty effective social

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distancing, which had occurred to me.

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So is her other companion then, her other her other backup?

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The other character?

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That.

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Maybe.

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Could be.

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Could be.

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Could be.

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Flavia.

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I Flavia.

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Chugla Flavia.

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I have to say.

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Is she in this episode?

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I have to say that this was the bit where the episode really

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properly lost me and we were standing around talking about time

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things and space reasons and it just seemed to me like how the not

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we think Doctor Who is all the time, you know, that they're just

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sort of talking nonsense.

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And that's why I quoted the French and sauna sketch at the head of

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the episode.

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That's really what it reminded me of.

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Look, let's, let's see, shallow question now.

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I really disliked Todd.

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Sorry.

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I really did dislike them outside the whole temple ready to go in

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and do battle.

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I mean, Jodie had some awful lines there to sort of explain what

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they were going to do.

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I just, that's part of all of that going on.

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But I did like the beginning.

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I did like the fact that it was a very, um, Stephen Moffatt sash

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sort of, I don't know, hell bed slash Clara trying to get the

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doctor to rescue Danny Pink moment when we went into the doctor's

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mind as to how to get out of things and suddenly, boom, she got

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them into the time stream, like the get out of jail sort of card.

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And I did like that.

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I don't know about the whole bell thing.

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I mean, I got a bit confused between where Vindor was in the

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story.

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Like, I thought he was in the roof doctor's timeline, but he was

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in his own.

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And so that confused me for a bit until I worked out what was

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going on there.

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I mean, I thought the bell thing, I mean, The Daleks look quite

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good.

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I like that, and I did like, I did like the cyberman that she was

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talking to, and she seems to be, um, possibly like, um, Anakin and

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Padme, and they're going to have a baby, and that baby's going to

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be a Tamagotchi.

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Oh, you know?

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Or as you're into off the podcast.

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Nathan, it could be the doctor, you know, is their baby?

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I'm just in my mind when you said that.

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I'm just thinking, good grief.

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Someone pointed out that, um, if their timeline, if Belle and

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Vinda's timelines are, are contiguous.

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Um, then.

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Like, and he does a daily report, then they've been apart for 54

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years.

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Yeah, it's on a hell of a gestation period.

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Yeah, how, how, how long is this pregnancy?

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Um, Yeah.

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Yeah, well, yeah.

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She must have got pregnant when they were together, I suppose

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unless he...

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Speak with her... the sperm or something, like...

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I thought it was quite manipulative, like to sort of throw that in

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but in the end when it's, you know, it may work, will work out

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okay.

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Yeah, Michael.

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And then there was that woman.

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Who was that old woman?

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I thought that she was like the white guardian or she was Kronos

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but then in the credits or on Wikipedia, they call Hermot.

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Awesome.

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Awesome.

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Space name, her name is.

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Like, what was the one last season that they had at the end who

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did all the experiments from the Dr. Tetayun or something?

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Tech Tech, Tech, Tech, Tech, Tech, Tech.

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Yep.

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He had lami.

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That lost me a bit there.

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But I'm excited about that.

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But that makes it look at...

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Oh, God, that terrible line, the terrible line where it's revealed

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that she's pregnant, um, just did my head in.

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Oh my god, like, oh, see you soon.

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Me and you're as yet unborn child.

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Yeah, unborn for God's sake.

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Supposed to what?

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The born child.

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The unborn identity.

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Yeah, it's like a real human would just say me and the baby and

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rub their stomach.

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You know what I mean?

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It doesn't, it's so crunky.

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Someone, someone pointed out, yeah, Corey actually, a friend of

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the podcast, Corey McMahon, said that he is just not confident

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telling stories visually, and so he always has to hit you over the

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head in dialogue with what's going on.

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And I said he's like a big finish writer.

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You know, like it's like there's no picture. my unborn child, you

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know, who's in my belly that I'm currently rubbing in shot right

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now.

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Like so much of his dialogue should be stage direction.

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I think that's the problem.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it's, that doesn't need to be dialogue, honey.

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That could just be she rubs her belly and it says, and the baby.

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Like, yeah, it's, yeah.

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And the frustrating, the, could I, the frustrating thing about

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that is most of his dialogue is fine.

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You know, it's just, it's just at least once an episode, you get a

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line where it's like, no, no human.

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No human speaks like that and it just, it just, it drags you out

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of it.

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Like, I really like Bell, and throughout the whole episode, I'm

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like, is she a companion from the future?

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Is she a pre-hearten or doctor?

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And, you know, in a way, the answer, and in a way, the answer we

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get is quite Stephen Moffatt, because that's the kind of thing

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Stephen Moffatt would do is lead you up this garden path of who

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she is. she's the most obvious person you could expect.

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Who could she possibly be looking for, but the bloke from the

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future?

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Why are you asking?

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You know, but I like it.

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And I also like that their couple name is Belinda.

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Ah, brilliant.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Or or Val.

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So is she from Earth or do lots of planets have a northern

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island?

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I didn't quite work that out.

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I wondered that.

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Well, they probably got their own starship, you know, so...

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Yeah, that'd be it.

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Oh dear.

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All right.

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So one last thing before I go to final statements, who do we award

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the Sasha Dawan award for services to exposition this episode?

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Has to be Bell, doesn't it?

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Oh, I was going to give it to the swarm, I think.

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Because he has such lovely teeth when he's delivering exposition

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as well.

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But definitely the swarm this week explaining about the planet and

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time and all of that sort of stuff.

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It lost me completely.

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In the past, is it the same swarm as in the present, like it looks

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different?

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a different one.

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Different act.

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It is a different actor.

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He regenerates.

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He regenerates at the beginning, which is my other favourite fan

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theory is that Jody looked like that with the teeth and the

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things.

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I mean, the doctor looked like that with the teeth and crystals

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coming out of her head and all of that sort of thing. teeth and

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crystals.

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All teeth and crystals back in the original thing.

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What about the passenger?

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Like, I suspected that Dan's girlfriend was in it, but I didn't

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expect that it would just hold so many different entities.

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Why is it called the passenger?

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Because the people in it are the passengers.

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It should be called the vehicle.

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Yeah, I was thinking the vehicle would be too obvious.

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I guess flip it round.

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They're the passenger.

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But yeah, I think it's a wonder.

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I think it's a wonderful context.

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And they look proper scary too.

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There's a there's a good hint at the beginning that, you know, like

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in Dan's flashback thing, he looks over the square and there's the

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passenger standing there, like when he's being with Diane.

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So, like, it sort of hinted at beforehand in a way that I thought

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was surprising.

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It's a good visual.

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Thank goodness there was no dialogue for him to say, ooh, that

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could be, that could be.

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Yeah, Diane could end up trapped in that, perhaps.

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They should have they should have called it the end passenger.

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Can we does anyone have any sort of final, final statements?

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Look, I actually can't give this a rating this week.

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I really just don't know where it sits because I really can't

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judge it until we've seen the whole thing.

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I really think it's that sort of episode.

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I'm really torn between, it's either going to end up being quite

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genius, and we're going to look back on it and go, wow, all those

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things were in there, or I'm going to probably go the other way

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and go, oh God.

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They were just treading time and teasing you on.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I have, I have, I have to agree, like, sort of preliminarily

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I want to give it a 6 or a 7, but it is the most arc heavy episode

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this season, and it's just hard to know.

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But one thing I do want to say that we haven't really touched on

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is I really like the cliffhanger resolution and it is possibly the

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1st time because we haven't had that many cliffhangers in the

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Whittaker era anyway, but it's possibly the 1st time that the

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doctor has taken a proactive stance after a cliffhanger and I

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absolutely love how mad it is.

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It is the old, can't go over it, can't go under it, has to go

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through it.

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And so she chucks herself in there.

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And I really actually really like the monologue at the beginning

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explaining what she's about to do.

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Yeah.

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I, I, someone again pointed out that we'd had a monologue in the

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beginning, you know, like the pre-credits monologue and then we

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have the post-credits monologue and then we have Jody monologuing

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in the, uh, Jody monologuing in the swirly thing and and, uh, you

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know, anyway.

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All right.

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Well, in that case, I've got some stuff to plug.

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As usual, our FDE series 6 coverage continues with the girl who

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waited this coming Sunday.

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Um, Brendan, you don't have a new walk to work with Whittaker, just

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TS.

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Will will.

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I recorded it.

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I recorded it after I messaged you, walking home from the bus.

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Okay, well done.

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You didn't get run over?

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I did not get run over.

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But it's not uploaded yet because there's a bit where pollen flies

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into my throat and I start coughing my lungs up and I have to edit

505
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:40.980
that out.

506
00:24:41.099 --> 00:24:42.900
You could leave it in.

507
00:24:43.019 --> 00:24:43.259
Do you?

508
00:24:43.259 --> 00:24:44.400
You could leave.

509
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.059
I know Brendans were harmed in the making of this.

510
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:54.299
Well, I will I will see to it that Brendan gives me a link, um, uh

511
00:24:54.299 --> 00:24:56.160
and you can find it in the show notes.

512
00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:58.980
And of course, maximum...

513
00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:00.059
Yeah, screw it. upload it.

514
00:25:01.380 --> 00:25:03.240
Just to that bit.

515
00:25:03.299 --> 00:25:04.440
Yeah, not the episode.

516
00:25:04.500 --> 00:25:06.240
Just cut that bit out and post.

517
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:14.220
Maximum power continues unabated and we are up to nearly episode

518
00:25:14.220 --> 00:25:15.180
10 this week.

519
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:15.839
Is that coming?

520
00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:17.279
Is it 10 this week?

521
00:25:17.339 --> 00:25:18.539
Episode 10 is up next.

522
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:19.319
Yeah, yeah.

523
00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:19.619
Sure.

524
00:25:19.619 --> 00:25:20.160
Yeah.

525
00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:21.000
So that's a thing.

526
00:25:21.059 --> 00:25:26.039
And untitled Star Trek project will be out with episode 3 on

527
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:26.819
Friday.

528
00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:31.380
It will be the 2nd of 3 podcast episodes I'm releasing this week.

529
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:33.539
I'm an idiot.

530
00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:34.500
All right.

531
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:40.859
So until next time, remember that in Lupari Society, if you see

532
00:25:40.859 --> 00:25:44.700
John Bishop next to you on the couch licking his testicles, the

533
00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:46.619
polite thing is to pretend not to notice.

534
00:25:46.619 --> 00:25:49.259
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

535
00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:50.640
Good night.

536
00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:53.579
See you in hell.

537
00:25:54.539 --> 00:25:58.559
I am a salute and I'm going for my tea break.

538
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:00.539
Right.