WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 12:52:02 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:15.240 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody Inter Terror, the only Doctor Who flash cast that's here to investigate the time irregularities in Sector 9, which, as I am well aware, affect each and every one of us in the inner galaxy. 2 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:16.980 I'm Nathan. 3 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:18.300 I'm James. 4 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:20.039 I'm Brendan. 5 00:00:20.100 --> 00:00:21.600 And I'm Todd. 6 00:00:21.660 --> 00:00:33.179 So we are here just a couple of days after the 1st broadcast of Once, Upon Time, which is written by Chris Chibnell. 7 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:38.880 And I guess my 1st question goes to you, Brendan. 8 00:00:38.939 --> 00:00:40.920 What the hell is going on? 9 00:00:43.979 --> 00:01:13.799 Um, Look, I think that the central conceit that this episode introduces is that someone, and I was thinking it was the Time Lords, but they never explicitly mentioned, someone has decided they need to control time and are running it through these 6 beings called Maury in order to control it, and something about that control is breaking down, and we don't know whether that's been induced or whether that is time itself reasserting itself. 10 00:01:13.859 --> 00:01:15.599 So that seems to be the mystery. 11 00:01:15.659 --> 00:01:18.120 But the flux is space-based. 12 00:01:18.180 --> 00:01:23.099 So are we being set up for space versus time, which is an interesting concept? 13 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:24.719 Well, yeah. 14 00:01:24.780 --> 00:01:29.760 I'm not sure it's an interesting culture, but it is actually alluded to, I think, in the thing. 15 00:01:29.819 --> 00:01:32.219 I think we do talk about space versus time. 16 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:35.219 Todd, did you get what was going on? 17 00:01:37.019 --> 00:01:38.700 I think so. 18 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:40.140 Kind of. 19 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:42.659 I was sort of intrigued. 20 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:45.000 And then I was also disengaged. 21 00:01:45.060 --> 00:01:49.140 Like, you know, after I worked out how this story was going to be told. 22 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:54.060 I kept looking at my watch every 5 minutes saying, well, are we on to the next episode? 23 00:01:54.060 --> 00:01:55.260 Are we finishing soon? 24 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:56.939 I mean, that sounds horrible. 25 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:05.459 But I kept looking at the watch saying, surely this is going to be over so I can get onto the next thrilling episode, which I actually am really looking forward to. 26 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:14.939 I mean, you know, the whole, Ending with the angels and all that, I was really like quite, oh, yes, yes, this is wonderful, but, I don't know, getting there. 27 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:16.979 I like, you know, don't get me wrong. 28 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:25.620 I did, I did like, various parts of this, and sometimes I was really quite engaged, and other times I was just like, okay. 29 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:29.219 Yeah, I had a very similar experience actually, Todd. 30 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:41.520 I, I was sort of there for the 1st 20 minutes and then I sort of started to, you know, the thing where you like move the mouse to make the scrubber appear so you can see how far along the episode you are. 31 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:50.939 I would be lying if I denied that I had done that more than once during this era while watching the episodes for the 1st time. 32 00:02:51.060 --> 00:02:53.280 But I was a little bit bored. 33 00:02:53.340 --> 00:02:56.039 But Nathan, you know, I think it is difficult. 34 00:02:56.099 --> 00:02:57.180 We're in episode three. 35 00:02:57.240 --> 00:02:58.259 We can't give everything away. 36 00:02:58.379 --> 00:03:03.000 And we've got to reveal more information to keep people watching. 37 00:03:03.060 --> 00:03:06.300 So, you know, how do you do that in an interesting way, you know? 38 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:13.439 And and not just have a big info dump, which we've encountered behind of what we had, I think. 39 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:16.800 James, you like this episode a great deal. 40 00:03:16.860 --> 00:03:17.879 I think. 41 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.819 Oh, I really enjoyed this episode. 42 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:22.800 Can you hear that sarcasm in my voice? 43 00:03:22.860 --> 00:03:46.620 Um, Actually, on 2nd viewing, I enjoyed it a hell of a lot more, but on the 1st viewing, I found myself doing this exactly that that thing that you've both mentioned, which is checking the time, every 10 minutes or so, I was like, how long is there left of this episode? 44 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:52.919 Um, There were some really great set pieces. 45 00:03:52.979 --> 00:03:54.599 It looked beautiful. 46 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:55.500 I... 47 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:59.039 I enjoyed the performances. 48 00:03:59.099 --> 00:04:01.860 Um, but it was really uneven. 49 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:04.620 I think I think that's the thing I'm struggling with. 50 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:11.819 Um, and look, this is something I've struggled with with most of Christian Mills, Doctor Who is, it's uneven. 51 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:18.420 I have moments of brilliance and then moments where you're just like, 0 God, what's going on here? 52 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:23.339 So, I think we can divide the episode into 3 bits. 53 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:33.120 So let's just start with the, uh, you know, Yazdan and Vinda are in their time streams reliving things. 54 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:38.399 How did you feel about that bit in particular, Brendan? 55 00:04:39.420 --> 00:04:42.660 Uh, look, for the most part, I really enjoyed it. 56 00:04:42.720 --> 00:05:00.240 I was a little frustrated that once again, Yaz seemed to get the lesser part of that, but I thought it was clever in that, we have seen Yaz's past, but instead we see probably a bit of her future, where she's sitting with Sonya, and my immediate thought was, that's not their flat. 57 00:05:00.300 --> 00:05:05.339 That's the house from flatline where the woman goes through the floor with the hanging chair. 58 00:05:07.620 --> 00:05:13.620 But then Yaz says, this isn't even my house and the doctor says this could be a memory from the future. 59 00:05:13.740 --> 00:05:15.060 And I love that. 60 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:17.220 I love seeing Sonya again. 61 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:23.399 I was so worried we weren't going to see any of the khans and yeah, it would have been great to see Naja, but I love seeing Sonya again. 62 00:05:23.459 --> 00:05:30.120 Um, and I, and I think it gave us, um, A much needed fleshing out of vindor. 63 00:05:30.180 --> 00:05:44.040 Because I was, I was ready to believe that the reason he was shunted off onto that station was that, you know, he was incompetent and like and like let, let the president's cat die or something because he grew some mice too big. 64 00:05:44.100 --> 00:05:49.500 But instead, he's actually a highly moralistic character. 65 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:58.500 And I enjoy that introduction, especially because, He, we don't, he doesn't speechify it. 66 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:00.300 Like he says, I'm really sorry. 67 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:02.220 I thought I was doing the right thing, but that's it. 68 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:02.939 Yeah. 69 00:06:02.939 --> 00:06:07.620 You know, he don't, it's not a, it's not a big, it's not a big speech. 70 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:08.819 It's a small decision. 71 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:11.879 Um, that tells us about his character. 72 00:06:11.939 --> 00:06:18.060 So generally, I thought those bits were quite successful and it was fun seeing Jodie flying about on Kirby Wires. 73 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:18.899 Hmm. 74 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:28.439 I, um, I, I was surprised he's still alive, to be honest, given how ruthless the great serpent was. 75 00:06:28.500 --> 00:06:31.740 I was like, how is he just? 76 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:35.339 Like, exiled to a space station? 77 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:41.279 Why wasn't he, you know, knocked off in the same way that, um, the political opponents were? 78 00:06:41.339 --> 00:06:43.259 Oh, how about this? 79 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:46.680 The Grand Serpent is responsible for the flux and centred in his direction. 80 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:50.100 It's got nothing to do with the doctor. 81 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:50.819 No. 82 00:06:50.819 --> 00:06:52.800 It's all been no, yeah. 83 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:55.500 Todd, did you like those bits? 84 00:06:56.639 --> 00:07:13.139 I have mixed sort of thoughts about them, you know, um, The Yaz stuff, I did think she was perhaps short changed, but she got to be in some of the other sequences, but I just didn't think she brought anything different from what she normally does. 85 00:07:13.259 --> 00:07:14.879 That's my opinion of that. 86 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:24.540 And but, you know, tying her to the angels sort of helped the link at the end. you know, that was quite good. in the end, but as it was happening, I was going, okay. 87 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:31.500 Um, Having Jody, do a different role as the policewoman. 88 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:34.019 Like when she plays a real person, Jody's really good. 89 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:38.279 That was the best bit of the episode, I have to say, that was incredibly great. 90 00:07:38.339 --> 00:07:40.139 I mean that in all seriousness. 91 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:41.160 I thought it was really wonderful. 92 00:07:41.220 --> 00:07:45.899 Well, even when she's playing a different version of the doctor. 93 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:47.459 She thinks you better. 94 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:50.519 Like, giving her the lines that you'd give to Ruth. 95 00:07:50.579 --> 00:07:53.759 Um, to like to the fugitive doctor. 96 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:58.439 Just giving her that menace and that sort of anger and that power. 97 00:07:59.220 --> 00:08:04.319 I just, yeah, I find it, Difficult to reconcile. 98 00:08:04.379 --> 00:08:06.420 You can write that for a bit part character. 99 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:07.740 Why can't you write that for your lead? 100 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:09.000 Yeah, yeah. 101 00:08:09.060 --> 00:08:09.779 Yeah. 102 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:19.259 I, you know, we'll come back to this in 2027 or something and I think we'll probably have a clear idea, but I think that seems sort of fairly reasonable. 103 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:31.019 For me, I thought that the storylines were all just a little bit generic, you know, there was nothing sort of particularly surprising there. 104 00:08:31.139 --> 00:08:32.879 I mean, they were okay. 105 00:08:32.940 --> 00:08:44.039 You know, they were kind of good enough, but, you know, and I guess we needed that from Vinder, but, like, he, Gibble does things. 106 00:08:44.100 --> 00:08:51.360 I think that other showrunners would have done very much more quickly and entertainingly, I think he tends to draw them out a bit. 107 00:08:51.419 --> 00:08:55.679 And so, you know, like that sort of stuff was okay, I think. 108 00:08:55.740 --> 00:08:59.340 And certainly I was still on board with the episode at that point. 109 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:06.120 I think, um, was it was it friend of the podcast? 110 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:07.919 Kevin? 111 00:09:07.980 --> 00:09:21.120 Um, who, who wondered on Twitter today, like whether, If, if this, if that plot had been witched by Stephen Moffatt, whether we would actually have enjoyed it because he would have just been much more. 112 00:09:22.379 --> 00:09:25.080 Skilful and witty about the whole thing? 113 00:09:25.139 --> 00:09:36.000 It is despite being odd in a way that I quite liked, you know, that was an unusual way of telling the story and a bit dreamlike and all of that and that was good. 114 00:09:36.059 --> 00:09:43.200 But it was still very linear and it was still very, very kind of, you know, we were hit over the head with a time stream thing. 115 00:09:43.259 --> 00:09:47.519 There was no point at which we're allowed to be disoriented really. 116 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:51.120 So, you know, I don't know. 117 00:09:51.179 --> 00:09:56.220 Um, Let's, unless anyone has anything more to say about that bit. 118 00:09:56.279 --> 00:10:03.720 I do want to move on to talk about the swarm in the temple confronting the doctor. 119 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:06.960 What did we think, Brendan? 120 00:10:07.500 --> 00:10:18.000 Um, I, much like James alluded to earlier, I, I think it gave Jody something really interesting to do. 121 00:10:18.419 --> 00:10:27.899 And also, it shows us because, you know, a lot of people, including myself, loved the fugitive doctor from the 2nd she appeared. 122 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:34.379 But I've kind of thought about it and I thought, what is her actual character because we've only seen her for 25 minutes, you know? 123 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:38.759 And what this brings back is actually she's quite reckless. 124 00:10:38.820 --> 00:10:39.899 Yeah. 125 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:40.980 Yeah. 126 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:43.200 And it's like thinking back to fugitive. 127 00:10:43.259 --> 00:10:48.299 Yeah, she was pretty reckless there as well And that gives us a sort of handle for her character. 128 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:52.200 I would have liked to see her more fully, but it was great to have her there. 129 00:10:52.259 --> 00:11:14.100 I think an effort was made to ensure that we knew that she was very moral as well, that even though she was a policeman, even though she worked for this shady organisation, she was a good person, in a way that was sort of alluded to in a ascension of the cyberman with what's his name, the cop, the ginger Irish cop, Brendan, that's it. 130 00:11:14.220 --> 00:11:15.059 Brendan. 131 00:11:15.059 --> 00:11:15.960 Brendan. 132 00:11:16.139 --> 00:11:17.639 Todd. 133 00:11:17.700 --> 00:11:19.679 My eyebrows, yeah. 134 00:11:20.100 --> 00:11:22.139 Todd, what did you think? 135 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:28.620 I love seeing the Ruth doctor and I wanted to see more of her in that confrontation. 136 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:32.100 I mean, obviously they needed to give stuff to Jody, but I just wanted to be the roof doctor. 137 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:33.659 Every time she's on screen, I really love her. 138 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:41.039 And unfortunately, it shows up for me, what's lacking in the writing for the 13th doctor. 139 00:11:41.039 --> 00:11:50.460 And, um, You know, Jody was fine, but I just enjoyed Ruth Moore and I wanted more of that, you know, especially once you'd worked out. 140 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:53.159 That it was that memory. 141 00:11:53.220 --> 00:11:56.340 I just wanted it sort of to glitch into her, you know? 142 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:59.340 So, I don't know what to say. 143 00:11:59.399 --> 00:11:59.879 Like. 144 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:03.720 I do love how it's not actually clear. 145 00:12:04.500 --> 00:12:06.480 Whether they are memories. 146 00:12:06.539 --> 00:12:14.340 And then it's kind of implied that they're they're actually, Well, they are actually in their time stream. 147 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:21.600 They are, their consciousness has kind of, lodged in a moment in their in their history. 148 00:12:21.659 --> 00:12:24.480 Yeah, she can't remember this point where... 149 00:12:24.539 --> 00:12:25.259 Yeah. 150 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:30.960 But to like, I mean, not so much for for Yaz and Dan and Vinder. 151 00:12:31.019 --> 00:12:36.179 But for the 13th doctor, where that moment where Ruth looks at her and goes, who are you? 152 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:44.220 It's like, oh, she's actually, she's actually in her, in her timeline. 153 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:45.840 She's experiencing that live. 154 00:12:45.899 --> 00:12:47.100 Yeah. 155 00:12:47.820 --> 00:12:49.620 I really enjoyed that. 156 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:51.720 And look who she's got as a companion. 157 00:12:51.779 --> 00:12:54.419 Yep, the 1st companion Carvanista. 158 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:55.799 It's a thing. 159 00:12:55.860 --> 00:12:58.139 No wonder he wants to get rid of. 160 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:00.779 No wonder he wants to get rid of the 13th chart. 161 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:04.019 And you know what? 162 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:05.820 You know what I wonder? 163 00:13:05.820 --> 00:13:09.600 Because I was thinking, who are Yaz and Vinder, really? 164 00:13:09.659 --> 00:13:23.039 And I had to, I had to wonder, well, 1st of all, you know, we know we've lost 4 episodes from this series, so maybe there were characters who were going to be introduced elsewhere, but I wonder if one of them is meant to be Neil Stook, who was her companion in Fugitive. 165 00:13:23.100 --> 00:13:24.720 Oh, yeah, of course. 166 00:13:24.779 --> 00:13:26.460 Lee, thank you. 167 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:32.700 And, you know, with things being what they are, if you don't absolutely need an actor on set, you're not going to bring them in. 168 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:38.159 So I totally understand the production reason for that, but I think that would have been something they thought of. 169 00:13:38.220 --> 00:13:42.360 Oh yes, of course, all of this is a sort of COVID thing, isn't it? 170 00:13:42.419 --> 00:13:49.740 The reason that we've got our regulars playing other parts is because we don't want to bring that many actors. 171 00:13:49.799 --> 00:14:01.440 It's someone pointed out that the Sontara last week shouting at Jody across the battlefield was some pretty effective social distancing, which had occurred to me. 172 00:14:03.059 --> 00:14:08.279 So is her other companion then, her other her other backup? 173 00:14:08.340 --> 00:14:10.620 The other character? 174 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:11.879 That. 175 00:14:11.940 --> 00:14:12.539 Maybe. 176 00:14:12.659 --> 00:14:12.960 Could be. 177 00:14:13.019 --> 00:14:13.620 Could be. 178 00:14:13.620 --> 00:14:14.100 Could be. 179 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:15.899 Flavia. 180 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:17.580 I Flavia. 181 00:14:17.580 --> 00:14:18.779 Chugla Flavia. 182 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:19.980 I have to say. 183 00:14:19.980 --> 00:14:21.120 Is she in this episode? 184 00:14:23.700 --> 00:14:41.580 I have to say that this was the bit where the episode really properly lost me and we were standing around talking about time, things and space reasons and it just seemed to me like how the not we think Doctor Who is all the time, you know, that they're just sort of talking nonsense. 185 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:46.139 And that's why I quoted the French and sauna sketch at the head of the episode. 186 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:48.659 That's really what it reminded me of. 187 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:52.379 Look, let's, let's see, shallow question now. 188 00:14:53.220 --> 00:14:57.179 I really disliked Todd. 189 00:14:57.240 --> 00:14:57.840 Sorry. 190 00:14:57.899 --> 00:15:02.220 I really did dislike them outside the whole temple ready to go in and do battle. 191 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:06.299 I mean, Jodie had some awful lines there to sort of explain what they were going to do. 192 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:09.419 I just, that's part of all of that going on. 193 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:11.700 But I did like the beginning. 194 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:30.240 I did like the fact that it was a very, um, Stephen Moffatt sash, sort of, I don't know, hell bed slash Clara trying to get the doctor to rescue Danny Pink moment when we went into the doctor's mind as to how to get out of things and suddenly, boom, she got them into the time stream, like the get out of jail sort of card. 195 00:15:30.299 --> 00:15:31.440 And I did like that. 196 00:15:31.500 --> 00:15:33.779 I don't know about the whole bell thing. 197 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.379 I mean, I got a bit confused between where Vindor was in the story. 198 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:40.019 Like, I thought he was in the roof doctor's timeline, but he was in his own. 199 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:44.700 And so that confused me for a bit until I worked out what was going on there. 200 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:49.799 I mean, I thought the bell thing, I mean, The Daleks look quite good. 201 00:15:49.860 --> 00:16:04.379 I like that, and I did like, I did like the cyberman that she was talking to, and she seems to be, um, possibly like, um, Anakin and Padme, and they're going to have a baby, and that baby's going to be a Tamagotchi. 202 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:06.659 Oh, you know? 203 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:11.759 Or as you're into off the podcast. 204 00:16:11.820 --> 00:16:15.600 Nathan, it could be the doctor, you know, is their baby? 205 00:16:15.659 --> 00:16:18.419 I'm just in my mind when you said that. 206 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:19.860 I'm just thinking, good grief. 207 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:29.279 Someone pointed out that, um, if their timeline, if Belle and Vinda's timelines are, are contiguous. 208 00:16:29.340 --> 00:16:31.259 Um, then. 209 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:39.059 Like, and he does a daily report, then they've been apart for 54 years. 210 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:41.399 Yeah, it's on a hell of a gestation period. 211 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:48.179 Yeah, how, how, how long is this pregnancy? 212 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.179 Um, Yeah. 213 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:52.500 Yeah, well, yeah. 214 00:16:52.500 --> 00:16:56.399 She must have got pregnant when they were together, I suppose, unless he... 215 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:00.120 Speak with her... the sperm or something, like... 216 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:10.440 I thought it was quite manipulative, like to sort of throw that in, but in the end when it's, you know, it may work, will work out okay. 217 00:17:10.500 --> 00:17:11.160 Yeah, Michael. 218 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:12.480 And then there was that woman. 219 00:17:12.539 --> 00:17:13.680 Who was that old woman? 220 00:17:13.740 --> 00:17:20.279 I thought that she was like the white guardian or she was Kronos, but then in the credits or on Wikipedia, they call Hermot. 221 00:17:20.339 --> 00:17:21.180 Awesome. 222 00:17:22.619 --> 00:17:23.339 Awesome. 223 00:17:23.339 --> 00:17:24.779 Space name, her name is. 224 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:32.819 Like, what was the one last season that they had at the end who did all the experiments from the Dr. Tetayun or something? 225 00:17:32.940 --> 00:17:35.579 Tech Tech, Tech, Tech, Tech, Tech, Tech. 226 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:36.299 Yep. 227 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:38.220 He had lami. 228 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:40.019 That lost me a bit there. 229 00:17:40.140 --> 00:17:41.880 But I'm excited about that. 230 00:17:41.940 --> 00:17:44.099 But that makes it look at... 231 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:51.420 Oh, God, that terrible line, the terrible line where it's revealed that she's pregnant, um, just did my head in. 232 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:55.799 Oh my god, like, oh, see you soon. 233 00:17:55.859 --> 00:17:58.920 Me and you're as yet unborn child. 234 00:17:58.980 --> 00:18:01.500 Yeah, unborn for God's sake. 235 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:03.720 Supposed to what? 236 00:18:03.779 --> 00:18:05.640 The born child. 237 00:18:06.539 --> 00:18:09.000 The unborn identity. 238 00:18:10.859 --> 00:18:16.920 Yeah, it's like a real human would just say me and the baby and rub their stomach. 239 00:18:16.980 --> 00:18:17.880 You know what I mean? 240 00:18:18.180 --> 00:18:20.819 It doesn't, it's so crunky. 241 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:40.140 Someone, someone pointed out, yeah, Corey actually, a friend of the podcast, Corey McMahon, said that he is just not confident telling stories visually, and so he always has to hit you over the head in dialogue with what's going on. 242 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:43.680 And I said he's like a big finish writer. 243 00:18:43.740 --> 00:18:54.000 You know, like it's like there's no picture. my unborn child, you know, who's in my belly that I'm currently rubbing in shot right now. 244 00:18:56.700 --> 00:19:00.960 Like so much of his dialogue should be stage direction. 245 00:19:01.019 --> 00:19:02.339 I think that's the problem. 246 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:03.059 Yeah. 247 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:06.359 Yeah, it's, that doesn't need to be dialogue, honey. 248 00:19:06.420 --> 00:19:10.559 That could just be she rubs her belly and it says, and the baby. 249 00:19:10.619 --> 00:19:12.960 Like, yeah, it's, yeah. 250 00:19:13.140 --> 00:19:21.660 And the frustrating, the, could I, the frustrating thing about that is most of his dialogue is fine. 251 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:29.759 You know, it's just, it's just at least once an episode, you get a line where it's like, no, no human. 252 00:19:29.819 --> 00:19:34.680 No human speaks like that and it just, it just, it drags you out of it. 253 00:19:34.740 --> 00:19:40.440 Like, I really like Bell, and throughout the whole episode, I'm like, is she a companion from the future? 254 00:19:40.500 --> 00:19:42.900 Is she a pre-hearten or doctor? 255 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:55.319 And, you know, in a way, the answer, and in a way, the answer we get is quite Stephen Moffatt, because that's the kind of thing Stephen Moffatt would do is lead you up this garden path of who she is. she's the most obvious person you could expect. 256 00:19:55.380 --> 00:19:58.859 Who could she possibly be looking for, but the bloke from the future? 257 00:19:59.579 --> 00:20:01.319 Why are you asking? 258 00:20:01.380 --> 00:20:03.240 You know, but I like it. 259 00:20:03.299 --> 00:20:05.400 And I also like that their couple name is Belinda. 260 00:20:05.460 --> 00:20:06.900 Ah, brilliant. 261 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:07.440 Yeah. 262 00:20:07.500 --> 00:20:07.859 Okay. 263 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:10.019 Or or Val. 264 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:13.799 So is she from Earth or do lots of planets have a northern island? 265 00:20:13.859 --> 00:20:15.539 I didn't quite work that out. 266 00:20:15.660 --> 00:20:17.940 I wondered that. 267 00:20:18.539 --> 00:20:22.680 Well, they probably got their own starship, you know, so... 268 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:23.940 Yeah, that'd be it. 269 00:20:24.900 --> 00:20:26.700 Oh dear. 270 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:27.420 All right. 271 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:37.319 So one last thing before I go to final statements, who do we award the Sasha Dawan award for services to exposition this episode? 272 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:41.099 Has to be Bell, doesn't it? 273 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:43.500 Oh, I was going to give it to the swarm, I think. 274 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:48.240 Because he has such lovely teeth when he's delivering exposition as well. 275 00:20:48.299 --> 00:20:54.539 But definitely the swarm this week explaining about the planet and time and all of that sort of stuff. 276 00:20:54.599 --> 00:20:56.039 It lost me completely. 277 00:20:58.019 --> 00:21:03.839 In the past, is it the same swarm as in the present, like it looks different? 278 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:04.559 a different one. 279 00:21:04.619 --> 00:21:05.460 Different act. 280 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:06.180 It is a different actor. 281 00:21:06.240 --> 00:21:07.259 He regenerates. 282 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:15.420 He regenerates at the beginning, which is my other favourite fan theory is that Jody looked like that with the teeth and the things. 283 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:21.240 I mean, the doctor looked like that with the teeth and crystals coming out of her head and all of that sort of thing. teeth and crystals. 284 00:21:21.299 --> 00:21:23.880 All teeth and crystals back in the original thing. 285 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:26.039 What about the passenger? 286 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:33.480 Like, I suspected that Dan's girlfriend was in it, but I didn't expect that it would just hold so many different entities. 287 00:21:33.539 --> 00:21:35.640 Why is it called the passenger? 288 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:37.440 Because the people in it are the passengers. 289 00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:38.880 It should be called the vehicle. 290 00:21:38.940 --> 00:21:43.019 Yeah, I was thinking the vehicle would be too obvious. 291 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:46.140 I guess flip it round. 292 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:47.039 They're the passenger. 293 00:21:47.339 --> 00:21:49.859 But yeah, I think it's a wonder. 294 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:52.380 I think it's a wonderful context. 295 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:54.180 And they look proper scary too. 296 00:21:54.240 --> 00:22:07.319 There's a there's a good hint at the beginning that, you know, like in Dan's flashback thing, he looks over the square and there's the passenger standing there, like when he's being with Diane. 297 00:22:07.380 --> 00:22:10.980 So, like, it sort of hinted at beforehand in a way that I thought was surprising. 298 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:13.200 It's a good visual. 299 00:22:13.259 --> 00:22:17.339 Thank goodness there was no dialogue for him to say, ooh, that could be, that could be. 300 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:19.920 Yeah, Diane could end up trapped in that, perhaps. 301 00:22:20.579 --> 00:22:24.299 They should have they should have called it the end passenger. 302 00:22:25.980 --> 00:22:32.220 Can we does anyone have any sort of final, final statements? 303 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:37.440 Look, I actually can't give this a rating this week. 304 00:22:37.500 --> 00:22:44.279 I really just don't know where it sits because I really can't judge it until we've seen the whole thing. 305 00:22:44.339 --> 00:22:45.960 I really think it's that sort of episode. 306 00:22:46.019 --> 00:22:57.059 I'm really torn between, it's either going to end up being quite genius, and we're going to look back on it and go, wow, all those things were in there, or I'm going to probably go the other way and go, oh God. 307 00:22:57.119 --> 00:23:01.079 They were just treading time and teasing you on. 308 00:23:01.140 --> 00:23:01.859 Yeah. 309 00:23:01.859 --> 00:23:14.039 Yeah, I have, I have, I have to agree, like, sort of preliminarily, I want to give it a 6 or a 7, but it is the most arc heavy episode this season, and it's just hard to know. 310 00:23:14.099 --> 00:23:33.539 But one thing I do want to say that we haven't really touched on is I really like the cliffhanger resolution and it is possibly the 1st time because we haven't had that many cliffhangers in the Whittaker era anyway, but it's possibly the 1st time that the doctor has taken a proactive stance after a cliffhanger and I absolutely love how mad it is. 311 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:37.680 It is the old, can't go over it, can't go under it, has to go through it. 312 00:23:37.740 --> 00:23:40.859 And so she chucks herself in there. 313 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:45.000 And I really actually really like the monologue at the beginning explaining what she's about to do. 314 00:23:45.059 --> 00:23:46.319 Yeah. 315 00:23:46.380 --> 00:24:03.420 I, I, someone again pointed out that we'd had a monologue in the beginning, you know, like the pre-credits monologue and then we have the post-credits monologue and then we have Jody monologuing in the, uh, Jody monologuing in the swirly thing and and, uh, you know, anyway. 316 00:24:03.539 --> 00:24:05.220 All right. 317 00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:08.880 Well, in that case, I've got some stuff to plug. 318 00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:17.039 As usual, our FDE series 6 coverage continues with the girl who waited this coming Sunday. 319 00:24:17.099 --> 00:24:23.519 Um, Brendan, you don't have a new walk to work with Whittaker, just TS. 320 00:24:23.579 --> 00:24:24.180 Will will. 321 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:25.200 I recorded it. 322 00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:28.079 I recorded it after I messaged you, walking home from the bus. 323 00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:29.880 Okay, well done. 324 00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:30.839 You didn't get run over? 325 00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:33.420 I did not get run over. 326 00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:40.980 But it's not uploaded yet because there's a bit where pollen flies into my throat and I start coughing my lungs up and I have to edit that out. 327 00:24:41.099 --> 00:24:42.900 You could leave it in. 328 00:24:43.019 --> 00:24:43.259 Do you? 329 00:24:43.259 --> 00:24:44.400 You could leave. 330 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.059 I know Brendans were harmed in the making of this. 331 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:56.160 Well, I will I will see to it that Brendan gives me a link, um, uh, and you can find it in the show notes. 332 00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:58.980 And of course, maximum... 333 00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:00.059 Yeah, screw it. upload it. 334 00:25:01.380 --> 00:25:03.240 Just to that bit. 335 00:25:03.299 --> 00:25:04.440 Yeah, not the episode. 336 00:25:04.500 --> 00:25:06.240 Just cut that bit out and post. 337 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:15.180 Maximum power continues unabated and we are up to nearly episode 10 this week. 338 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:15.839 Is that coming? 339 00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:17.279 Is it 10 this week? 340 00:25:17.339 --> 00:25:18.539 Episode 10 is up next. 341 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:19.319 Yeah, yeah. 342 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:19.619 Sure. 343 00:25:19.619 --> 00:25:20.160 Yeah. 344 00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:21.000 So that's a thing. 345 00:25:21.059 --> 00:25:26.819 And untitled Star Trek project will be out with episode 3 on Friday. 346 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:31.380 It will be the 2nd of 3 podcast episodes I'm releasing this week. 347 00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:33.539 I'm an idiot. 348 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:34.500 All right. 349 00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:46.619 So until next time, remember that in Lupari Society, if you see John Bishop next to you on the couch licking his testicles, the polite thing is to pretend not to notice. 350 00:25:46.619 --> 00:25:49.259 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 351 00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:50.640 Good night. 352 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:53.579 See you in hell. 353 00:25:54.539 --> 00:25:58.559 I am a salute and I'm going for my tea break. 354 00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:00.539 Right.