WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-10 at 19:02:25 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.379 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody and Terra, the only 2 00:00:04.379 --> 00:00:08.160 Doctor Who flash cast that's still wondering how Mr. and Mrs. Lewis 3 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:10.080 knew it was called a probic vent. 4 00:00:10.140 --> 00:00:12.720 They'd probably seen the Time Warrior. 5 00:00:12.779 --> 00:00:14.339 I'm Nathan. 6 00:00:14.460 --> 00:00:16.440 I'm Todd. 7 00:00:16.500 --> 00:00:17.579 I'm pizza. 8 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:19.140 And I'm Simon. 9 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:23.100 So we're here just a few hours. 10 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:26.160 Well, you know, maybe 50 hours after watching, not quite that 11 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:26.399 many. 12 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:32.159 After watching episode two, chapter two, I should say, of Flux 13 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:37.200 which was unpromisingly titled War of the Santarans by Chris 14 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:37.859 Chipnell. 15 00:00:38.100 --> 00:00:42.659 And I am going to ask the question I ask every week. 16 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:45.479 How do we think the episode went? 17 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:52.500 And given that Brendan and his His much beloved brand of optimism 18 00:00:52.500 --> 00:00:54.000 about this era isn't here. 19 00:00:54.060 --> 00:00:58.679 I'm going to start with Peter. 20 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:04.920 I thought this was the most broadly enjoyable Doctor Who that 21 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:05.939 Chipmull has ever written. 22 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:09.480 Um, episode writing just seems to suit him more. 23 00:01:09.540 --> 00:01:13.739 They were diverting throw away ideas like the TARDIS with no 24 00:01:13.739 --> 00:01:14.099 doors. 25 00:01:14.340 --> 00:01:18.299 I like the splitting of the story threads amongst the regulars. 26 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:22.379 It meant that it moved and it cut between things and Dan got the 27 00:01:22.379 --> 00:01:22.799 comedy. 28 00:01:22.859 --> 00:01:23.760 Jody got the darkness. 29 00:01:23.819 --> 00:01:25.019 Yaz got the exposition. 30 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:27.299 So, you know, everyone had something to do. 31 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:30.239 Those are genders rather than roles, aren't they? 32 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:34.980 And it just suited Jody, by the way. 33 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:38.640 I wish the doctor had had this classic sort of combination of 34 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:43.799 gravitas and sarcasm at any point of the last 2 seasons. 35 00:01:43.859 --> 00:01:48.060 She even gets some business with pretending that she's not the 36 00:01:48.060 --> 00:01:49.500 doctor to the Santarans. 37 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:52.200 And I think it was just a lighter touch than we've had in a long 38 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:52.379 time. 39 00:01:53.099 --> 00:01:55.140 What about you, Simon? 40 00:01:55.739 --> 00:01:58.200 Look, I have to agree. 41 00:01:58.260 --> 00:02:03.480 I was, really, dissatisfied with last week's. 42 00:02:03.540 --> 00:02:04.799 It left me cold. 43 00:02:04.859 --> 00:02:06.659 It was sound and fury signifying nothing. 44 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:09.300 I just couldn't get engaged with it and I didn't care about it. 45 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:14.639 This week, though, is an amazing contrast, I was gripped from the 46 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:15.180 very beginning. 47 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:19.319 Um, I mean, I think the story builds really well and there's a 48 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.259 proper sense of mystery rather than just stuff going on that we 49 00:02:22.259 --> 00:02:22.800 don't understand. 50 00:02:22.860 --> 00:02:24.780 You actually are interested in the stuff that you don't 51 00:02:24.780 --> 00:02:25.020 understand. 52 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:27.300 Um, swarm. 53 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:29.520 What a sensational villain. 54 00:02:29.580 --> 00:02:30.780 I mean, he was fine last week. 55 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:35.159 I sort of thought, I guess, but this week he is the perfect Doctor 56 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:38.340 Who villain, the actor walks that beautiful fine line between 57 00:02:38.340 --> 00:02:43.020 being arch and a bit camp whilst also being menacing rather than 58 00:02:43.020 --> 00:02:43.800 just looking ridiculous. 59 00:02:43.860 --> 00:02:47.520 It does that great kind of standing with his hand on his tips like 60 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:49.199 Quillum from vengeance on Zara. 61 00:02:49.259 --> 00:02:53.580 Yes, and the stance and the shoulder pads and the little sachet he 62 00:02:53.580 --> 00:02:58.500 does as he walks down the stairs in the in the in the temple 63 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:00.719 absolutely superb. 64 00:03:00.780 --> 00:03:05.219 And having, as Peter said, that block of time where a proper block 65 00:03:05.219 --> 00:03:08.340 of time where the companions are separated from the doctor. 66 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:12.060 And just to sort of answer, your point will extend your point 67 00:03:12.060 --> 00:03:13.860 Peter, about Jody being really good. 68 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:18.000 I think that's because she's not being surrounded by the 69 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.340 companions, which she sort of is, especially because there's been 70 00:03:20.340 --> 00:03:21.300 so many of them at once. 71 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:26.699 Um, I think a doctor needs to be out by themselves with, you know 72 00:03:26.699 --> 00:03:29.520 meeting new people because that's where I think they can express 73 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:33.719 those parts of themselves, the, the, the sarcasm and that the, you 74 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:36.659 know, the snarkiness, um, without constantly looking like they're 75 00:03:36.659 --> 00:03:37.620 being rude to the companions. 76 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:39.479 I just think it just worked really well. 77 00:03:39.539 --> 00:03:44.039 And having a cliffhanger, a proper cliffhanger, that builds up in 78 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:45.539 the final moments. 79 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:47.280 I mean, I really felt like I was 10 years old again. 80 00:03:47.340 --> 00:03:49.860 Mm, that cliffhang was great. 81 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:53.400 It had a sort of inferno, I want to say five. 82 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:53.879 Yes. 83 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:56.340 Where there's a countdown. 84 00:03:56.340 --> 00:04:00.479 And doesn't you hear the finger click after we go into the closing 85 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:00.840 credits? 86 00:04:00.900 --> 00:04:01.979 It's terrible again. 87 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:04.139 That's not cheated next week where the finger is not clicked. 88 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:05.939 Someone just says... 89 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:06.719 Oh, I was kidding. 90 00:04:06.780 --> 00:04:10.259 I was kidding. 91 00:04:10.259 --> 00:04:11.939 And Todd. 92 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:17.339 I ask myself, what would Terence Dix do? 93 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:20.399 And so I said 8 out of 10. 94 00:04:21.779 --> 00:04:24.480 It was really, really good. 95 00:04:24.540 --> 00:04:29.579 You know, and I agree with everything that both Peter and Simon 96 00:04:29.579 --> 00:04:30.240 have said. 97 00:04:30.300 --> 00:04:36.600 I love the swarm, villain, and his sister, they are just, they 98 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:38.279 they pitched perfectly. 99 00:04:38.339 --> 00:04:40.680 I love that they were all split up. 100 00:04:40.740 --> 00:04:43.139 The throwback to things like links. 101 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:44.459 I thought that was just lovely. 102 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:45.959 There was tumour. 103 00:04:46.019 --> 00:04:50.459 The Santarians had never been better or I think explored better 104 00:04:50.459 --> 00:04:53.639 you know, in terms of, you know, the use of the probic vent and 105 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:58.439 their and their whole operation on what's going on. 106 00:04:58.500 --> 00:05:00.720 I just really liked all of that stuff. 107 00:05:00.779 --> 00:05:04.259 I mean, I've got some quibbles over a few things, but I actually 108 00:05:04.259 --> 00:05:07.500 thought the doctor was written really well, and that's what's 109 00:05:07.500 --> 00:05:11.160 really held back, Jody. 110 00:05:11.220 --> 00:05:18.060 If, and I said off, um, of this earlier that, you know, had this 111 00:05:18.060 --> 00:05:20.459 been like her 3rd or 3rd or 4th episode. 112 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:25.920 I would have a completely different opinion of both her doctor and 113 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:27.060 Chris Chibnon. 114 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:27.779 Mm. 115 00:05:27.779 --> 00:05:28.620 Mm. 116 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:32.100 Yeah, I mean, I really, really liked it. 117 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:34.500 I think 60 minutes is probably slightly too long. 118 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:40.620 Um, but, and like I have to say that I, I, given what he was 119 00:05:40.620 --> 00:05:43.800 attempting to do last week, I kind of like last week as well. 120 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:47.279 But what I thought was really good here. 121 00:05:47.339 --> 00:05:51.300 I had originally thought the structure would be, here's a bunch of 122 00:05:51.300 --> 00:05:54.899 act ones, you know, going from place to place and a big exciting 123 00:05:54.899 --> 00:05:56.040 space thing happening. 124 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:59.579 And then we would have the Sontarian episode and we'd have the, God 125 00:05:59.579 --> 00:06:02.579 knows what episode and we'd have the Weeping Angels episode and 126 00:06:02.579 --> 00:06:05.819 we'd have, you know, die trapped in a house episode. 127 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:09.300 And then we'd all be back together at the end of this episode. 128 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:10.500 Yeah, terrible episode. 129 00:06:10.620 --> 00:06:14.160 And then we'd all be back at the end for the Armageddon factor, you 130 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:17.220 know, and it would all go to hell. 131 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:24.060 And what surprised and delighted me was that, um, it's not going 132 00:06:24.060 --> 00:06:24.720 to be like that. 133 00:06:24.779 --> 00:06:28.079 It is a little bit more like his serialised stuff. 134 00:06:28.139 --> 00:06:31.079 It's a little bit more like Broadchurch, where there's a kind of 135 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:35.699 main focus and a satisfactory arc, you know, a thing happens and 136 00:06:35.699 --> 00:06:40.139 gets resolved and stuff, but there's other stuff going on still 137 00:06:40.139 --> 00:06:41.399 keeping the central mystery going. 138 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:47.279 And also the, and also each episode is about something like, yeah 139 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:49.800 this is this on Tara next episode, and obviously next week's going 140 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:52.500 to be the start of an episode, but you don't feel that the 141 00:06:52.500 --> 00:06:55.199 overarching story is just grafted on. 142 00:06:55.259 --> 00:06:59.519 Um, you know, and in the last 60 seconds in the 1st 60 seconds 143 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:01.560 with a sort of an episode in the middle. 144 00:07:01.620 --> 00:07:05.220 It's, it's, it's effectively, effectively, the Santarian story is 145 00:07:05.220 --> 00:07:07.079 the B plot of this episode. 146 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:09.000 And next week it'll be something else. 147 00:07:09.060 --> 00:07:12.000 And I think the problem with last week's in comparison was that it 148 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.180 was all the B plots all smoosh together and you couldn't work 149 00:07:15.180 --> 00:07:15.420 out. 150 00:07:15.420 --> 00:07:17.459 What am I supposed to be focussed on here? 151 00:07:17.459 --> 00:07:21.540 Because you still get like early in this episode when Yaz arrives 152 00:07:21.540 --> 00:07:22.139 in the temple. 153 00:07:22.199 --> 00:07:24.300 You get the guy from 1820 appearing. 154 00:07:24.420 --> 00:07:25.019 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 155 00:07:25.019 --> 00:07:26.579 Whereas we have, we haven't had the moment. 156 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:32.220 Yeah, yeah, we haven't had the angel woman the turn up this time. 157 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:36.180 So maybe, maybe, maybe some of last week's introduction could have 158 00:07:36.180 --> 00:07:38.339 been scattered into this week's and I think it would have improved 159 00:07:38.339 --> 00:07:40.199 last week's a little bit as a result. 160 00:07:40.259 --> 00:07:44.699 But yeah, I was really, really surprised, but... 161 00:07:44.699 --> 00:07:46.620 And the villains are folded in well. 162 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:49.620 The swarm kind of make an interesting appearance and play an 163 00:07:49.620 --> 00:07:51.899 interesting kind of minor role until the end. 164 00:07:52.019 --> 00:07:53.339 Yeah. 165 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:58.259 So can we talk, can we talk about the Santarans? 166 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:02.399 We did touch on that sort of fairly briefly, but Peter, what do 167 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:03.899 you think of them in this episode? 168 00:08:04.259 --> 00:08:09.000 Um, I, I agree with what Todd was saying earlier about the fact 169 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:11.579 that they are actually really well done. 170 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.879 And it's interesting because Chibinal apparently had his issues 171 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:16.319 with 80s Doctor Who. 172 00:08:16.379 --> 00:08:17.160 This is on record. 173 00:08:17.220 --> 00:08:19.079 But he minds the 80s. 174 00:08:19.139 --> 00:08:22.439 So these Santarans are much more like the 2 doctors, Santarans 175 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:24.300 than they are like lynx or Styre. 176 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:27.839 And I'm not on board with that because I like the 2 doctors 177 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:28.680 Sontarians. 178 00:08:28.740 --> 00:08:31.860 Um, I just think that they're really well done. 179 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:34.799 You know that this whole story must have been inspired by that one 180 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:38.460 line in the time warrior about finding our bold warrior a horse 181 00:08:38.460 --> 00:08:40.500 because that's like the takeaway image. 182 00:08:40.500 --> 00:08:44.639 From the episode, is the Santaran turning up on the horse and then 183 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:47.639 he actually gets the line about I just wanted to ride a horse. 184 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:53.940 It's so properly funny, like a properly funny line. 185 00:08:54.179 --> 00:08:57.179 Complete with a slight Scottish hat. 186 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:00.480 But you get you get like the commander Santarans, who are very 187 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:03.360 warlike, but, you know, they can have that conversation with the 188 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:06.600 doctor, and then you've got the soldier one, who's actually quite 189 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:11.639 funny and Pat's a bit more, um, like stracks a bit. 190 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:15.120 But I just thought they were all really good. 191 00:09:15.179 --> 00:09:19.799 And I really, really liked Housefilled Dan Starkey, Sonter, and 192 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:25.440 called the doctor, Doctor, which is... all good villains do. 193 00:09:25.500 --> 00:09:28.860 I just wish he'd picked up on Mrs. Seacole's wording and called 194 00:09:28.860 --> 00:09:30.240 her doctress. 195 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:38.759 I was terrified that they were going to be boring because Chibnall 196 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:43.320 took the, you know, took the sidemen and made them boring and and 197 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:46.620 I just thought it was going to be, oh, you know, they'll be a 198 00:09:46.620 --> 00:09:48.899 warrior race and they'll be just super tedious. 199 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.659 But last week they were funny. 200 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.120 And then this week they were properly funny. 201 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:57.419 And, you know, they were created by Bob Holmes and they've always 202 00:09:57.419 --> 00:09:59.399 been a bit crummy. 203 00:09:59.460 --> 00:10:03.659 And, you know, it was Bob Holmes making fun of colonialism and 204 00:10:03.659 --> 00:10:05.340 pomposity and stuff like that. 205 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:08.100 And so this was great. 206 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:10.740 I thought that they were really really good. 207 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:15.419 And that central conceit where the Dr. lands in a place where the 208 00:10:15.419 --> 00:10:19.799 Crimean War is being fought against Sontarans, and no one's ever 209 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:21.059 heard of the Russians. 210 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:23.279 That's incredibly good. 211 00:10:23.340 --> 00:10:24.899 That's so good. 212 00:10:25.139 --> 00:10:28.980 Yeah, it's what sort of casually interesting ideas, though, just 213 00:10:28.980 --> 00:10:29.519 littered around. 214 00:10:29.580 --> 00:10:30.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 215 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:32.519 I mean, it's like a new adventures idea. 216 00:10:32.580 --> 00:10:34.620 It's not like a classic series idea at all. 217 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:38.039 It is a very ambitious idea. 218 00:10:38.100 --> 00:10:41.100 I also think, you know, you mentioned that Tartis has no doors 219 00:10:41.100 --> 00:10:41.519 before. 220 00:10:41.580 --> 00:10:46.440 I just sort of think that's so so simple and so clever 221 00:10:46.500 --> 00:10:47.159 frightening. 222 00:10:47.220 --> 00:10:50.039 I thought that was one of the really arresting images from last 223 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:53.580 week's episode where they went in the doors. and they were coming 224 00:10:53.580 --> 00:10:54.240 out of the floor. 225 00:10:54.299 --> 00:10:57.419 It was just, and there wasn't really dwelt upon, but it was just 226 00:10:57.419 --> 00:10:59.100 you know, an interesting moment in the episode. 227 00:10:59.580 --> 00:11:01.500 Simon, what did you think? 228 00:11:02.220 --> 00:11:04.200 About the Santara. 229 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:07.320 Well, I liked them. 230 00:11:07.379 --> 00:11:11.940 I thought, I thought they had enough seriousness is, they weren't 231 00:11:11.940 --> 00:11:13.139 just silly and stupid. 232 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:17.159 Like, I think there needs to be both 2 sides of the coin and I 233 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:19.919 think, um, They did that here. 234 00:11:19.980 --> 00:11:24.779 I particularly like the brutality that you see, the fact that they 235 00:11:24.779 --> 00:11:28.500 execute 3 people in Liverpool, um, for trespassing and then, you 236 00:11:28.500 --> 00:11:32.399 know, they're they're shooting the wounded in Crimea, um, you know 237 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:33.179 nishing them off. 238 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:35.519 I mean, it's quite dark and quite brutal. 239 00:11:35.820 --> 00:11:40.320 And I've sort of, that was quite refreshing, I thought, for more 240 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:42.419 Doctor Who. kind of body count. 241 00:11:42.539 --> 00:11:47.220 Yeah, although mind you, the killing the people on Liverpool docks 242 00:11:47.220 --> 00:11:51.179 is kind of a riff from Riff on the Stolen Earth, isn't it? 243 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:54.240 Yeah, it's also just a Saturday night in Liverpool. 244 00:11:55.379 --> 00:11:59.639 Oh, dear, we're going to get in terrible trouble with people from 245 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:01.080 the north again this week. 246 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:04.440 Speaking of which, Todd, what did you? 247 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:07.019 You've already said something about the Santarans, but was there 248 00:12:07.019 --> 00:12:08.519 something else you wanted to add? 249 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:12.659 Well, they weren't very good shots when they were coming after Dan 250 00:12:12.659 --> 00:12:13.200 weren't they? 251 00:12:13.259 --> 00:12:20.039 And it was very convenient that his little dog friend saved him 252 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:23.940 but the 3 people on the docks, their dog friends are still up in 253 00:12:23.940 --> 00:12:25.500 the spaceships and couldn't care less. 254 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:26.639 Is that right? 255 00:12:26.700 --> 00:12:27.240 don't know. 256 00:12:28.620 --> 00:12:31.440 I would have minor things, really. 257 00:12:31.500 --> 00:12:34.860 Yeah, I would have thought that race good at military strategy 258 00:12:34.860 --> 00:12:39.000 would consider kind of going to sleep in shifts. 259 00:12:39.059 --> 00:12:42.960 In ships, yeah, not on the same 7.5 minute life. 260 00:12:45.899 --> 00:12:46.559 But, you know. 261 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:47.639 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 262 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:53.159 There's no Doctor Who that isn't vulnerable to this kind of comedy 263 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:53.519 I think. 264 00:12:56.580 --> 00:12:58.679 And all right. 265 00:12:58.740 --> 00:13:04.139 So, look, um, we're nearly kind of nearing the end, I do, however 266 00:13:04.139 --> 00:13:09.240 want to talk about how we feel sort of generally about where this 267 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:09.779 is going. 268 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:14.340 I think I've said my piece here, but Todd, how are you feeling? 269 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:15.360 Are you optimistic? 270 00:13:16.500 --> 00:13:19.559 If it continues like this, I will be. 271 00:13:19.620 --> 00:13:24.059 I was very concerned last week, you know, as to how this is, how 272 00:13:24.059 --> 00:13:24.960 this is going to play out. 273 00:13:25.019 --> 00:13:28.080 I mean, I'm still a bit confused. like you know, Dan went back to 274 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:32.159 his time zone, but for some reason, Yaz had to go to the Planet of 275 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:35.159 Time, why did she go there of all places? 276 00:13:35.220 --> 00:13:37.379 That seems very convenient? 277 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:42.000 And then we sort of had that whole, um, mystery with the Magara 278 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:45.000 the Magara like voices and what and what sort of looked like the 279 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:48.659 board from the 5 doctors with, you know, the temple and all that 280 00:13:48.659 --> 00:13:49.500 sort of thing. 281 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:52.320 So, I mean, I find it intriguing. 282 00:13:52.379 --> 00:13:55.500 Um, and it looks wonderful. 283 00:13:55.500 --> 00:13:58.139 And I just hope it can pay off in the end. 284 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.320 So, again, I mean, you know, I said at the beginning of this. 285 00:14:01.379 --> 00:14:04.440 I think it's, I think it's a really solid episode and one of his 286 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:06.960 best efforts and certainly for writing for the doctor. 287 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:09.299 Um, can it be sustained? 288 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:12.840 I mean, ultimately, you know, we will find out and that will 289 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:16.320 affect my final opinion, but if it continues like this, I'm going 290 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:17.580 to be very pleased with this. 291 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:19.799 What do you think, Simon? 292 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:24.240 I hope it continues like this, but also have it varies. 293 00:14:24.299 --> 00:14:28.379 I mean, one of my problems with Broadchurch is that, um, I found 294 00:14:28.379 --> 00:14:32.159 it quite repetitive, like they'd introduce a, a new red herring 295 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:35.460 each week as to, and you gradually worked around each member of 296 00:14:35.460 --> 00:14:39.720 the village as to who might have possibly been the murderer, and I 297 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:42.600 hope we just don't get a sort of a rinse and repeat of this 298 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:43.200 episode. 299 00:14:43.259 --> 00:14:48.480 What I hope is that stylistically, each episode varies a bit. 300 00:14:48.539 --> 00:14:51.840 I'd like to see a quieter, spookier one. 301 00:14:51.899 --> 00:14:56.159 Um, I worry that we'll just get this kind of loud, obnoxious 302 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.919 action, over and over again. 303 00:14:58.980 --> 00:15:04.980 But look, I've been, my faith has been restored this week in a way 304 00:15:04.980 --> 00:15:07.259 that I worried last week. just was not going to be. 305 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:09.059 That spooky thing. 306 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:10.740 What about that house that Jody saw? 307 00:15:10.860 --> 00:15:11.460 Oh, yes. 308 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:12.899 Yes, what the hell's that about? 309 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:14.879 What was that? 310 00:15:14.940 --> 00:15:15.419 More of that. 311 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:18.840 Well, obviously we're going back there. that's going to be quite 312 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:19.019 cool. 313 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:22.440 I think I get the sense like the Angels episode is probably going 314 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:23.039 to be something like that. 315 00:15:23.100 --> 00:15:26.700 The Angel episode is going to be a bit spookier and and more 316 00:15:26.700 --> 00:15:27.240 mysterious. 317 00:15:27.299 --> 00:15:29.279 I just want them to turn the frigging volume down on the 318 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:30.600 soundtrack on the music. 319 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.720 I don't know whether there was more than about 5 seconds where 320 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:35.460 there was no music, but, you know. 321 00:15:35.580 --> 00:15:40.320 I did explain either on flights through entirety or on last week's 322 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:45.120 episode that the soundtrack is loud in the mix because we're old. 323 00:15:46.019 --> 00:15:47.519 Peter. 324 00:15:47.580 --> 00:15:49.139 I don't know. 325 00:15:49.259 --> 00:15:51.659 It's all right, Simon. 326 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:53.039 Peter. 327 00:15:53.700 --> 00:15:57.899 I feel like I've been a couple of steps ahead of the series for a 328 00:15:57.899 --> 00:16:02.039 few years and now I feel like the series is actually one step 329 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:04.379 ahead of me again and I really like that. 330 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.919 I'm really not sure where it's going and it could go in any number 331 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:10.080 of directions and I'm on board with finding out. 332 00:16:10.740 --> 00:16:12.179 Okay. 333 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:12.960 Fantastic. 334 00:16:13.019 --> 00:16:13.919 All right. 335 00:16:13.980 --> 00:16:16.139 And also, I suddenly noticed that Vinder is very hot. 336 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:17.820 Oh, extraordinary. 337 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:19.860 He does great waking up acting. 338 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:25.679 What about jam? 339 00:16:25.740 --> 00:16:29.399 Well, I mean, you know, I'm still a nice thing to say about 340 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:30.299 Carpanista. 341 00:16:30.539 --> 00:16:36.240 I have to say that nothing will ever, ever topple Chrissy Jackson 342 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:40.799 and her stiletto heal from her pedestal when it comes to 343 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:42.779 dispatching Santarans. 344 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:44.639 But the wok does come a close second. 345 00:16:44.700 --> 00:16:47.100 And I love... 346 00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:49.980 But his parents as well. 347 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:51.659 Like they've both got frying pans. 348 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:52.500 It's adorable. 349 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:53.759 I just think it's so good. 350 00:16:53.820 --> 00:16:56.820 And I'm just saying, I really feel sorry for his mother because in 351 00:16:56.820 --> 00:16:58.799 real life, she's only 9 years older than him. 352 00:16:58.860 --> 00:17:04.259 I was going to say, I mean, he's 55 and I was, I bet those actors 353 00:17:04.259 --> 00:17:07.140 playing his parents are at roughly the same age as he is. 354 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:08.700 She was 63. 355 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:12.240 He's a young looking 55. 356 00:17:12.420 --> 00:17:16.019 The guy who plays the leads on tar and is 64 as well. 357 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:19.920 I mean, you know, that's very, actually just, yeah. 358 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:24.119 I was just fixed by the constantly saying fist. 359 00:17:24.180 --> 00:17:27.420 I just couldn't quite make that sound in my in my in my mouth 360 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:28.680 pissed. 361 00:17:28.740 --> 00:17:33.599 It's so great It's, it's, it's indescribable. 362 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:36.539 Oh, we're doing this every week, aren't we? 363 00:17:36.660 --> 00:17:36.960 All right. 364 00:17:37.019 --> 00:17:38.339 Okay. 365 00:17:40.740 --> 00:17:48.000 Do we have any, does anyone have any kind of closing remarks, I 366 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:48.240 guess? 367 00:17:51.299 --> 00:17:53.759 Oh, this looks beautiful. 368 00:17:53.819 --> 00:17:54.599 Yeah. 369 00:17:54.660 --> 00:17:55.680 Sorry, Todd. 370 00:17:55.740 --> 00:17:57.180 No, no, I agree. 371 00:17:58.200 --> 00:17:59.400 It looks beautiful. 372 00:17:59.460 --> 00:18:04.319 I think the Mise en Seine is um not as Spartan underpopulated as 373 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:07.380 some of the Chipmolera episodes have been like, I can think if it 374 00:18:07.380 --> 00:18:08.460 takes you away off the top of my head. 375 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:14.519 It really looked kind of, um, full and well produced and, you know 376 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:17.640 often people say cinematic and I don't buy it, but I think it 377 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:18.299 did. 378 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:19.380 Todd? 379 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:24.480 Yes, and it had intrigue, it had humour. 380 00:18:24.539 --> 00:18:32.700 It had gravitas, um, And the doctor was well written and that 381 00:18:32.700 --> 00:18:34.500 really helped Jody's performance. 382 00:18:34.740 --> 00:18:36.299 Brilliant. 383 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:41.039 I just think it's something that I recognised as Doctor Who in a 384 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:43.619 way that I haven't recognised for a little while. 385 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:45.480 Agreed. 386 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:46.200 Press my buttons. 387 00:18:46.259 --> 00:18:51.359 All right, well, uh, I have some things to plug then in that 388 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:52.140 case. 389 00:18:52.140 --> 00:18:58.440 So, uh, we are currently on flight through entirety in the middle 390 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:04.140 of um, uh, series 6 of, um, Doctor Who. 391 00:19:04.140 --> 00:19:08.460 And uh, so we'll be doing Night Terrace next Sunday, which I'm 392 00:19:08.460 --> 00:19:09.779 kind of excited to rehear. 393 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:15.960 Brendan has mere moments ago posted his walk to work with 394 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:18.960 Whittaker and he's wearing a singlet, so you'll all want to tune 395 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:20.099 in and see that. 396 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:21.180 He's not walking to work. 397 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:22.980 He's walking home from the gym. 398 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:23.880 No, to the gym. 399 00:19:23.940 --> 00:19:27.420 And you'll hear about that on the video as well. 400 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:31.019 It's terribly good, and you get to wonder whether he makes it 401 00:19:31.019 --> 00:19:32.940 across the road every time he crosses the road. 402 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:33.779 So there's that. 403 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:35.759 Frogger, isn't it? 404 00:19:35.819 --> 00:19:37.500 It's so terrifying. 405 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:39.480 It's super anxiety provoking. 406 00:19:39.539 --> 00:19:45.240 We are also on maximum power, which is about midway through series 407 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:47.819 one of Blake 7. 408 00:19:48.420 --> 00:19:50.819 Okay, no one's correcting me. 409 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:51.119 Fine. 410 00:19:51.180 --> 00:19:55.259 And in a future. was last Sunday, yeah. 411 00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:56.339 No, okay. 412 00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:02.460 I refuse to call it series A. And Untitled Star Trek Project will 413 00:20:02.460 --> 00:20:08.640 be back this Friday with a Deep Space 9 episode, which is House of 414 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:09.299 Quark. 415 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:10.859 So you can... 416 00:20:10.980 --> 00:20:11.880 Yeah, yeah. 417 00:20:11.940 --> 00:20:13.619 It's I really liked it. 418 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:17.940 So that's me and friend of the podcast, Joe Ford. 419 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:25.019 So, if there's nothing more to say, until next time, remember that 420 00:20:25.019 --> 00:20:30.059 rice pudding and hard liquor build morale. particularly unlimited 421 00:20:30.059 --> 00:20:33.359 rice pudding and unlimited hard liquor. 422 00:20:33.420 --> 00:20:35.579 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 423 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:37.680 See you soon. 424 00:20:37.740 --> 00:20:41.400 Good night, doctor. for now.