WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-10 at 19:01:45 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.419 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody and Terror. 2 00:00:03.480 --> 00:00:07.320 The only Doctor Who flash cast that never doubted for a single 3 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:10.500 moment that Graham Harper was canon. 4 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:12.060 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:13.080 I'm James. 6 00:00:13.140 --> 00:00:14.400 I'm Todd. 7 00:00:14.460 --> 00:00:16.800 I'm Brendan, and I'm Peter. 8 00:00:16.859 --> 00:00:18.719 I'm just not that, Brendan. 9 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:21.059 Brilliant. 10 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:23.280 Well, who was that, Brendan? 11 00:00:23.339 --> 00:00:24.239 We'll never, ever know. 12 00:00:24.300 --> 00:00:30.899 So, um, we are fresh off watching the series 12 finale, the 13 00:00:30.899 --> 00:00:33.060 tiresome, the timeless children. 14 00:00:33.119 --> 00:00:35.399 I called the chat, the time from children. 15 00:00:35.460 --> 00:00:36.479 I didn't mean to say that. 16 00:00:36.539 --> 00:00:39.719 What a cheap gag that's staying in. 17 00:00:39.899 --> 00:00:41.880 You just made J.R. 18 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:42.780 Southall take a shot. 19 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:43.799 You realise that, don't you? 20 00:00:43.859 --> 00:00:46.500 Because he takes a shot every time you say tiresome. 21 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:48.119 Well, he's going to be... 22 00:00:48.179 --> 00:00:49.140 Well, he's an alcoholic. 23 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:51.600 Well, he will be by the end of this episode anyway. 24 00:00:51.659 --> 00:00:58.320 So there's really not that much to talk about today, and so I am 25 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:01.859 just going to ask you all 2 questions. 26 00:01:02.100 --> 00:01:05.400 And let's start with the traditional questions. 27 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:08.219 How did we feel the episode went? 28 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:12.780 Let's start, let's start upbeat. 29 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:13.620 So, Brendan. 30 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:21.180 Now, look, um, I enjoyed this. 31 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:24.599 I thought it had structural problems, but I thought it was a case 32 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:32.040 of its ideas were sound, not necessarily the execution of them, but 33 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:37.079 I think a problem we're seeing is how to do a Doctor Who series 34 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:40.620 finale in a way that Russell and Stephen Moffatt haven't already 35 00:01:40.620 --> 00:01:41.099 done it. 36 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:45.480 And I think in that, this episode succeeds. 37 00:01:45.540 --> 00:01:51.599 But the main thing, I think, is the revelations could have been 38 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:53.519 strung out along several episodes. 39 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:58.379 Also, um, Andrew Ellard on Twitter, who is a very good 40 00:01:58.379 --> 00:02:01.859 scriptwriter and critic, with whom I do not often find myself 41 00:02:01.859 --> 00:02:07.140 agreeing, pointed out that perhaps, you know, the stuff in the 42 00:02:07.140 --> 00:02:11.099 Matrix could have been more about the doctor finding things out 43 00:02:11.099 --> 00:02:13.560 rather than the doctor being told beat. 44 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:19.439 But to be honest with you, I found myself really enjoying the hour 45 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:20.759 and 65 minutes. 46 00:02:20.819 --> 00:02:22.560 I thought the top half was too wordy. 47 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:25.500 Sounds like an hour and 65 minutes. 48 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:27.180 Oh, sorry. 49 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:31.740 Hour and 5 minutes, 65 minutes in total. 50 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:37.860 Look, I found myself entertained, and that's what I really want 51 00:02:37.860 --> 00:02:39.240 from a Doctor Who story. 52 00:02:39.300 --> 00:02:44.340 I think what Orphan 55 was for you, Nathan, the timeless children 53 00:02:44.340 --> 00:02:45.180 is for me. 54 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.340 Okay, that's great. 55 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:48.000 That's great. 56 00:02:48.060 --> 00:02:53.159 Let's um, let's move sort of down slightly with James. 57 00:02:53.219 --> 00:02:53.939 How did you think? 58 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:55.139 Sorry, what did you think? 59 00:02:58.199 --> 00:02:59.699 Oh, dear. 60 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:02.939 I don't lost for words. 61 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:04.800 It's, It's okay. 62 00:03:04.860 --> 00:03:15.060 Um, I really enjoyed the, The constituent parts of it, um, it's a 63 00:03:15.060 --> 00:03:16.080 bit of a dog's breakfast. 64 00:03:16.740 --> 00:03:22.080 But, you know, I quite enjoyed eating, which man, that's a mixed 65 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:23.819 maxim. terrible. 66 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:30.479 Um, Oh, there's so, there's so much happened that so little 67 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:31.620 happened at the same time. 68 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:34.979 I, I just don't know where to start with this. 69 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:36.900 Okay, we'll come back. 70 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:38.159 Give me another 5 years. 71 00:03:38.219 --> 00:03:39.539 We'll circle back around. 72 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:42.479 Yeah, we'll circle back around in 2025, obviously. 73 00:03:42.539 --> 00:03:46.680 Todd, you've been playing your cards very close to your chest. 74 00:03:46.740 --> 00:03:49.680 I'm going to open the kimono a bit and say that on the group 75 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:50.219 chat. 76 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:56.939 We were, we were all, you know, furiously, uh, well, me mostly 77 00:03:56.939 --> 00:04:00.360 we're sort of furiously yelling on the group chat and uh, you 78 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:04.919 responded to pretty much everything that I said with, hmm. 79 00:04:05.219 --> 00:04:11.099 So you're required by law to tell us what you think. 80 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:13.860 Well, Nathan. 81 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:14.879 Hmm. 82 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:21.660 Last week, you may recall that I said all I wanted was Chris 83 00:04:21.660 --> 00:04:23.759 Chibnall to stick the landing. 84 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:29.339 Well, we did land, and I'm actually okay with the final 85 00:04:29.339 --> 00:04:34.019 destination, but the ride getting there was fairly bumpy. 86 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:36.540 I didn't love it. 87 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:41.040 I didn't loathe it, but it had major. problems. 88 00:04:41.220 --> 00:04:42.839 Structurally. 89 00:04:42.899 --> 00:04:45.180 Yeah I think that's probably reasonable. 90 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:50.699 Look, let's let's go to Peter, I think, if we're continuing to 91 00:04:50.699 --> 00:04:51.899 trend downwards. 92 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:55.500 Nathan, I don't know why you came to me last. 93 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:56.579 I'm relentlessly positive. 94 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:57.120 Do you know? 95 00:04:57.180 --> 00:04:58.319 Oh, you're not last. 96 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:03.839 Okay, well, I'd like to agree with Brendan. 97 00:05:03.899 --> 00:05:09.000 Uh, because, um, I didn't think it had a lot of structure. 98 00:05:09.060 --> 00:05:10.860 You need a plot to have some structure. 99 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:16.500 Um, and I don't think that I do think that it came up against the 100 00:05:16.500 --> 00:05:21.000 problem of doing what Russell and Stephen did in their finales 101 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:22.620 which was they did good things. 102 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:26.459 I'd also like to take some good points. 103 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:30.839 I think this was nicely shot and it was sort of diverting on a 104 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:31.680 running around level. 105 00:05:31.740 --> 00:05:36.360 Um, I think Chidnell's takeaway from last year's kind of missteps 106 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.720 um, is that he had to pace up the scripts and he did that. 107 00:05:39.779 --> 00:05:43.019 Also, Sasha Duan is terrific. 108 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:46.560 He's really working with kind of the slightly generic 109 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:47.459 characterisation. 110 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:49.800 But that's sort of about all there is. 111 00:05:49.860 --> 00:05:53.519 I think the big problem here is that it's just continuity porn in 112 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:57.180 search of a story or, you know, characters or themes. 113 00:05:57.240 --> 00:06:01.800 Um, when Moffat garnished the history of the program in episodes 114 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:04.079 like the name alludes me. 115 00:06:04.139 --> 00:06:06.959 Listen, in episodes like, listen, it was still a little bit 116 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:08.699 annoying, but it was usually clever. 117 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:10.860 It was in service of the character or the show. 118 00:06:10.980 --> 00:06:13.860 Um, I don't know why this exists. 119 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:20.759 Look, I mean, for me, I just found this desperately unenjoyable. 120 00:06:20.819 --> 00:06:22.439 I hate Gallifrey. 121 00:06:22.500 --> 00:06:26.220 I am still absolutely not on board with the changes to the cannon 122 00:06:26.220 --> 00:06:28.620 that were made in the War Games episode 10. 123 00:06:28.860 --> 00:06:35.100 Like, you know, like, seriously, they were terrible, you know, time 124 00:06:35.100 --> 00:06:38.519 lords, like, does no one have any imagination at all. 125 00:06:38.939 --> 00:06:45.240 And I just think that when Doctor Who is trying to be about that 126 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:49.740 it's being about the wrong thing, because at the end of the day, no 127 00:06:49.740 --> 00:06:52.920 matter how many times Sasha Duan says this is going to change 128 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:56.579 everything, everything's going to change from here on in, the 129 00:06:56.579 --> 00:06:58.620 doctor's still going to travel around in the TARDIS with 130 00:06:58.620 --> 00:07:00.480 companions and fight monsters and do things. 131 00:07:00.540 --> 00:07:02.459 It doesn't matter. 132 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:04.139 None of this stuff has any stakes at all. 133 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:08.519 And so learning that instead of the doctor being an alien from a 134 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:12.839 distant planet, she's actually a different alien from a completely 135 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:14.040 different planet. 136 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:16.199 Like, how do who cares? 137 00:07:16.259 --> 00:07:20.879 And why strap her to a chair for 45 minutes and make her listen to 138 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:22.259 someone explain that to her? 139 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:24.300 I just think that... 140 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:27.480 I think the whole thing is just misconceived. 141 00:07:28.139 --> 00:07:30.720 Nathan, I think you're absolutely right. 142 00:07:30.779 --> 00:07:34.259 I was thinking to myself while I was watching it, why would anyone 143 00:07:34.259 --> 00:07:37.680 think that the average viewer would find a retconning of the 144 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:40.860 doctor's origin story, however vague, interesting? 145 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:44.160 That's all it is, just one long info dump about something that we 146 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:44.819 don't care about. 147 00:07:44.939 --> 00:07:45.600 Yeah. 148 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:46.680 Yeah, I look. 149 00:07:46.740 --> 00:07:51.779 I mean, I've seen people, um, deriving enjoyment from, you know 150 00:07:51.779 --> 00:07:53.759 the the changes in the story. 151 00:07:53.819 --> 00:07:59.160 And the one thing that I will say that I do think matters is the 152 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:03.899 establishment that the doctor has been a woman and has been a 153 00:08:03.899 --> 00:08:07.019 member of different ethnic groups over and over again throughout 154 00:08:07.019 --> 00:08:07.379 time. 155 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:08.220 I think that's great. 156 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:11.699 You know, like I'm super on board with that, and that might have 157 00:08:11.699 --> 00:08:14.939 been my favourite part of the episode, apart from the beat where 158 00:08:14.939 --> 00:08:17.339 Jody got violent and pushed Sasha to one over. 159 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:19.259 Well, that was fantastic. 160 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:20.220 Yeah, awesome. 161 00:08:20.339 --> 00:08:22.980 I've been waiting for her to punch someone in the face for ages. 162 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:28.620 But I just, I hate Gallifrey, you know, like I just hate it. 163 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.439 So this is not an episode for me. 164 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:36.179 So what you're saying, Nathan, is that Terence Dix ruined Doctor 165 00:08:36.179 --> 00:08:36.480 Who? 166 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:37.980 Yes. 167 00:08:37.980 --> 00:08:39.000 Yes. 168 00:08:39.059 --> 00:08:40.799 Yes, he did. 169 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:46.200 It's like my feeling about the Star Wars trilogy is the moment 170 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:51.000 that Darth Vader tells Luke that he's his father. 171 00:08:51.059 --> 00:08:52.919 The whole thing just goes to hell. 172 00:08:52.980 --> 00:08:58.200 Like all of the disasters that happened in that franchise after 173 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.620 that are entirely predicated on that moment. 174 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:06.779 And I think, you know, what do we have to thank, you know, the War 175 00:09:06.779 --> 00:09:08.100 Games episode 10 for? 176 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:09.720 We get Ark of Infinity. 177 00:09:09.779 --> 00:09:11.220 Do you know what I mean, as a direct result? 178 00:09:11.340 --> 00:09:13.919 And Trial of a Time Lord. forget that. 179 00:09:13.980 --> 00:09:17.519 Well, I kind of have a massive soft spot for trial of time. 180 00:09:18.419 --> 00:09:23.100 All right, so that's initial reactions, and perhaps I'm going to 181 00:09:23.100 --> 00:09:28.139 shut up for quite a while now, because I do want everyone to talk 182 00:09:28.139 --> 00:09:34.559 about what they think of, the actual change to the doctor's 183 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:36.240 backstory that happened here. 184 00:09:36.299 --> 00:09:37.919 What do you think, Brendan? 185 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.740 On on a level, I agree with you about who cares? 186 00:09:43.860 --> 00:09:45.120 And then I thought, why do this? 187 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:52.559 And 1st of all, the reason to do it is, as you say, it is saying 188 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:57.960 to the audience, not only can the doctor look like anyone, the 189 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:00.659 doctor has already looked like anyone. 190 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:03.480 And it's not a new, and everyone. 191 00:10:03.539 --> 00:10:07.139 It's not a new concept to people who read the new adventures, for 192 00:10:07.139 --> 00:10:10.980 instance, with, you know, all the all the canon about the other. 193 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:13.139 And I think for a general audience. 194 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:16.440 It's easier to understand than the new adventures idea of it. 195 00:10:16.500 --> 00:10:18.659 That's not to say it's any better or worse. 196 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:25.980 Um, but I also think that for a general audience, The change is 197 00:10:25.980 --> 00:10:26.519 not there for them. 198 00:10:26.580 --> 00:10:31.200 The change is there for the fans. whether they like it or not. 199 00:10:31.259 --> 00:10:38.399 I think the, the, the drama point for the audience is that the 200 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:43.200 doctor discovers that she was used and manipulated. 201 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:47.159 And that is, that's the point of reference for the audience. 202 00:10:47.220 --> 00:10:51.120 And I've been seeing a lot of people on Twitter say, you know, use 203 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.960 this as a catalyst to talk about abusive relationships they've 204 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:59.100 been in and how well observed that element is. 205 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:03.720 So I'm glad that it has, you know, some kind of resonance for 206 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:08.159 people who don't care what colour, house the Arcaelians are. 207 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:09.179 You know what I mean? 208 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:16.019 But as for what I think and what my emotional reaction is, I've 209 00:11:16.019 --> 00:11:19.740 said this numerous times when this was a rumour, my only problem 210 00:11:19.740 --> 00:11:23.580 with it is it now means that Jodie Whittaker is not the 1st female 211 00:11:23.580 --> 00:11:24.720 doctor in the canon. 212 00:11:24.779 --> 00:11:29.039 She is the 1st female doctor in reality, you know, in the world of 213 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:29.519 production. 214 00:11:29.580 --> 00:11:35.279 Um, But the plot even addresses that by saying, you know, does it 215 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:37.799 matter who you were, what matters is who you are now? 216 00:11:37.860 --> 00:11:39.899 And I think that's a wonderful message as well. 217 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:43.379 So overall, I'm positive about this change. 218 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:46.919 I kind of lean in the direction of, I think it's wonderfully silly 219 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:49.320 and it means that Rowan Atkinson is canon. 220 00:11:49.379 --> 00:11:51.120 So I'm good. 221 00:11:51.659 --> 00:11:54.059 I kind of tend to agree. 222 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.340 I agree with you on that, Brendan. 223 00:11:56.399 --> 00:12:03.240 On, on the level that, yes, you get to get that, That moment, and 224 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:08.519 it's a brilliant moment between Jody and Joe, where, Joe basically 225 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:12.120 gets to be wise black woman to her. 226 00:12:12.179 --> 00:12:17.519 Um, and and and tell her, you know, It doesn't matter. 227 00:12:17.580 --> 00:12:18.299 It doesn't matter. 228 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:20.159 I I really hate that scene. 229 00:12:20.220 --> 00:12:26.399 And I think the reason that I hate it is that, um, the, it's 230 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:29.460 there's this expectation of the masters that the doctor will be 231 00:12:29.460 --> 00:12:33.779 destroyed by this revelation and then Joe Martin comes along and 232 00:12:33.779 --> 00:12:37.440 says, actually it doesn't matter, and it's kind of like, well, yeah 233 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:38.759 no, it actually doesn't matter. 234 00:12:38.820 --> 00:12:40.139 Like, so what? 235 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:47.639 And, you know, we all really like Joe. I think that people really 236 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:51.299 really liked her doctor and I had kind of wish that she would be a 237 00:12:51.299 --> 00:12:55.019 little bit more instrumental rather than just being a sort of 238 00:12:55.019 --> 00:12:57.600 lovely, wise woman in the doctor's head. 239 00:12:57.659 --> 00:12:59.460 See, I love that. 240 00:12:59.580 --> 00:13:00.720 You're wrong, Nathan. 241 00:13:02.460 --> 00:13:04.019 Peter? 242 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:08.879 Um, I love Joe's doctor. 243 00:13:08.940 --> 00:13:12.840 I thought she was a real breath of fresh air and fugitive from the 244 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:13.500 Jitune. 245 00:13:14.100 --> 00:13:20.279 Had to think for a moment there, fugitive from of, um, however, I 246 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:24.360 say this without, uh, without any kind of intent, but I wish I 247 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:25.500 could bring myself to care. 248 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:29.100 Um, and it's not the fact that I've fallen out of love with the 249 00:13:29.100 --> 00:13:30.960 series, because I desperately love Dot 2. 250 00:13:31.139 --> 00:13:34.259 Um, it's just that they felt there were no emotional stakes for 251 00:13:34.259 --> 00:13:34.440 me. 252 00:13:34.500 --> 00:13:38.759 If you're going to have a big sort of franchise changing moment 253 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:42.480 where, you know, you want it to be important to people, then 254 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:46.980 please link it emotionally or philosophically on some level to the 255 00:13:46.980 --> 00:13:48.000 characters you've got. 256 00:13:48.059 --> 00:13:51.899 The only person I felt an impact at all was the doctor, and I 257 00:13:51.899 --> 00:13:53.460 didn't actually see much of that. 258 00:13:54.059 --> 00:13:55.440 Yeah. 259 00:13:55.500 --> 00:13:59.340 I mean, I compare it to the Wargames 10, where there is actually a 260 00:13:59.340 --> 00:14:00.779 sort of proper character thing. 261 00:14:01.019 --> 00:14:03.480 You know, the doctor gets involved in something that turns out to 262 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:05.580 be just too big for him. 263 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:09.899 And after all of the running and all of the sort of silliness and 264 00:14:09.899 --> 00:14:10.919 fun he's been having. 265 00:14:10.980 --> 00:14:16.620 He has to sort of go back home and he has to kind of base himself 266 00:14:16.620 --> 00:14:21.059 a bit and he knows what that's going to cost him, but he pays that 267 00:14:21.059 --> 00:14:22.679 price in order to save those people. 268 00:14:22.740 --> 00:14:26.639 And normally, you know, we don't think of 60s Doctor Who 269 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:30.179 necessarily as having that kind of emotional complexity. 270 00:14:30.299 --> 00:14:36.299 But that's enough, I think, to justify the massive wrecking of the 271 00:14:36.299 --> 00:14:39.480 backstory that happens in that episode. 272 00:14:39.539 --> 00:14:42.659 But here I just thought it was kind of like we haven't done one of 273 00:14:42.659 --> 00:14:46.259 these for a while and people thought series 11 was boring. 274 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:49.559 So I'm going to do something that kind of shakes them up. 275 00:14:49.620 --> 00:14:52.799 And the publicity kind of seemed to suggest that that was the 276 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:53.639 motivation as well. 277 00:14:54.059 --> 00:14:57.120 You see, Nathan, I think the War Games is an interesting 278 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:59.940 comparison there because the War Games does do something 279 00:14:59.940 --> 00:15:00.539 emotional. 280 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:05.399 It takes that sort of wonderful impish doctor who delights kind of 281 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:09.000 anarchy and running around and inserting himself into new things 282 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:12.659 just adventuring, and it brings him back down to earth, and it 283 00:15:12.659 --> 00:15:17.039 punishes him, and it also provides a backstory, um, for the 1st 284 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:17.279 time. 285 00:15:17.340 --> 00:15:21.480 I think that's actually a good change for the program, regardless 286 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:23.460 of, you know, how it moves on after that. 287 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:25.320 Whereas this felt unearned. 288 00:15:25.379 --> 00:15:28.320 This felt like tinkering with backstory, and I wasn't entirely 289 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:29.340 sure why. 290 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:32.519 And like I say, if it had have had an emotional residence, I would 291 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:34.019 have been on board with it, but I didn't feel it. 292 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:37.019 I think I think that's, that's right. 293 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.240 Like I, the war games works because. 294 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.919 Those characters, especially Jamie, you've cared about for years. 295 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:47.399 Uh, despite the fact that, you know, Doctor Who and television 296 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:49.860 didn't really do that sort of level of emotional depth. 297 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:54.360 You care that, like, Like he's losing his friends and they're 298 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:58.860 losing their memories and, Like, Califre aside, that has a lot of 299 00:15:58.860 --> 00:16:00.659 emotional resonance that's missing in this. 300 00:16:00.659 --> 00:16:05.940 And the only, the only sort of attempt at any sort of emotional 301 00:16:05.940 --> 00:16:09.899 resonance apart from the doctors, Um, you know. 302 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:12.299 Oh, you know, like who am I? 303 00:16:12.299 --> 00:16:18.240 kind of thing, is that terrible conversation between Yaz and 304 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:21.539 Graham, which I think you are, you know, not impressed by Peter. 305 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:24.539 Well, it was just very on the nose. 306 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:25.679 Mm. 307 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:30.600 Yeah, yeah, there's no, like, I can't see any reason why Graham 308 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:33.120 thinks that Yaz is better than the doctor. 309 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:34.080 Do you know what I mean? 310 00:16:34.139 --> 00:16:37.919 Like, you know, yeah, it seems nice and all of that, but there's 311 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:42.000 it's not part of an arc or part of anything the other episodes of 312 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:44.100 the season seem to have been pushing, particularly. 313 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:44.940 I could be wrong. 314 00:16:45.059 --> 00:16:48.840 But I do like the idea that after I gave Yaz that little 315 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:51.419 conversation, he then went and gave Ryan the same conversation 316 00:16:51.419 --> 00:16:52.620 sneakily on the site. 317 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.740 I hope so. would be really unfair. 318 00:16:55.799 --> 00:17:00.059 See with the Graham and Yaz thing, that they have been paired 319 00:17:00.059 --> 00:17:04.920 together several times this series. most notably in Praxius, but 320 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:07.319 throughout the whole of the previous episode as well. 321 00:17:07.380 --> 00:17:10.019 And even though Graham's like, oh, I paid, I said all these nice 322 00:17:10.019 --> 00:17:11.700 things about you and you said nothing about me. 323 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:16.200 Actually, last episode, Yaz did comment on, you know, how much 324 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:17.039 he's changed. 325 00:17:17.099 --> 00:17:18.059 Yeah, yeah. 326 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:20.279 You know, and it was a bit of a callback to that. 327 00:17:20.339 --> 00:17:21.720 And yes, it's on the nose. 328 00:17:21.779 --> 00:17:24.240 It's less on the nose than it was last year. 329 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:26.759 And if any character's going to be bloody on the nose, it's going 330 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:27.359 to be Graham. 331 00:17:27.420 --> 00:17:30.359 Because he's not, you know, he's not good with this emotional 332 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:30.720 stuff. 333 00:17:30.779 --> 00:17:32.460 He probably only gets up from Corri. 334 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:34.680 Anyway, that's my tuppence. 335 00:17:34.980 --> 00:17:39.000 All right, Todd, I need to hear what you have to say about this 336 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:41.460 cannon busting episode. 337 00:17:43.140 --> 00:17:45.960 Look, I'm actually okay with it. 338 00:17:46.019 --> 00:17:47.759 Canon has changed before. 339 00:17:47.819 --> 00:17:50.579 Everybody has to deal with it. 340 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:54.119 You can get upset all you want, but everybody will, in their own 341 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:56.640 way, red content, however they want to do it. 342 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.660 I mean, I just think Christian will set down and sort of just said 343 00:18:00.660 --> 00:18:03.960 well, fans, I'm going to tell you what's been in my head, my canon 344 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:08.160 for the last 30 years, and and here it all is, and I'm just going 345 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:09.900 to tell you it, whether you like it or not. 346 00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:13.619 And he got a bit distracted, I think, because he, he just wanted 347 00:18:13.619 --> 00:18:16.799 to, he got excited by his cliffhanger on what's coming next. 348 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:21.539 And he realised that, you know, by talking to us fans about the 349 00:18:21.539 --> 00:18:28.200 matrix and the, the, and having um, Tamagotchi and her lifeless 350 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:29.099 children's story. 351 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:36.420 He was going to possibly loop, possibly lose, um, the, the, the 352 00:18:36.420 --> 00:18:38.160 greater audience, not the fans. 353 00:18:38.220 --> 00:18:42.839 And so he, so he then had to work in the whole, um, battles with 354 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:46.500 the, with the cyberman to keep the general audience interested. 355 00:18:46.500 --> 00:18:49.200 And, and of course, they couldn't shoot a damn thing. 356 00:18:49.259 --> 00:18:51.180 You'd have jab of the hut in front of them and they wouldn't 357 00:18:51.180 --> 00:18:51.539 kiss. 358 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:57.299 Sorry, I'm going a bit scathing here, but, but, you know, just to 359 00:18:57.299 --> 00:19:00.779 have, 0 my god, I was grateful that Jody didn't have to do all 360 00:19:00.779 --> 00:19:05.220 that explanation stuff. that poor Sasha had to wade through. 361 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:09.180 But even by the end of all the stuff that he did, I was beginning 362 00:19:09.180 --> 00:19:13.079 to lose it with him because there's only so much eye rolling, hair 363 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:17.460 over to one side, twirling around, moustache, twirling that you 364 00:19:17.460 --> 00:19:18.660 can actually cope with. 365 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.119 And I really felt for both of them, and she had to stand there 366 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:25.140 pulling gormless faces, saying, and saying inane dialogue and 367 00:19:25.140 --> 00:19:28.200 talking to herself, stuff that I absolutely detested from last 368 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:29.279 year was back again. 369 00:19:29.339 --> 00:19:31.440 But thank God she got to tell the master. 370 00:19:31.500 --> 00:19:35.099 Well, you know, it didn't really work and, you know, love, so suck 371 00:19:35.099 --> 00:19:35.460 on that. 372 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:36.779 And that was great. 373 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:41.579 I think Sasha deserves a medal for his services to exposition in 374 00:19:41.579 --> 00:19:42.180 this episode. 375 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:43.859 It was incredible. 376 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:48.779 I do, but I got to the point where I said, look, enough is 377 00:19:48.779 --> 00:19:49.319 enough. 378 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:52.920 And only at that point, did then Chris realise I've got to join 379 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:53.940 these stories together. 380 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:57.539 So he can be obsessed with the silver nemesis and have all these 381 00:19:57.539 --> 00:19:59.039 cyberthalias turn up. 382 00:19:59.099 --> 00:20:04.380 Yes, I was thinking the other day that Chancellor Flavia is in 383 00:20:04.380 --> 00:20:09.599 there that one year Moffat drags up the body of Brigadier 384 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:12.000 Lethbridge Stewart and puts it in a cyber costume. 385 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:15.900 This year, you know, we're digging up Chancellor Flavia and 386 00:20:15.900 --> 00:20:17.940 putting her in a cyber costume. 387 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:22.380 It's very disrespectful. love them. 388 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:25.500 I love the cyberfaliers. 389 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:28.380 I didn't say I didn't. 390 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:29.880 Oh, no, I didn't. 391 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:30.720 No, right? 392 00:20:30.779 --> 00:20:34.140 Like, you know, I'll give him points for that. 393 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:38.640 I mean, my favourite sequence, I think, was when Ang, the angriest 394 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:44.279 side of them all was looking for, um, the, all of them hiding, like 395 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:46.920 in the, in the cyberman, and I thought that was fantastic. 396 00:20:46.980 --> 00:20:48.839 Yeah, that was pretty good. 397 00:20:48.900 --> 00:20:49.920 That was pretty good. 398 00:20:49.980 --> 00:20:54.299 I'll grant them that I think my favourite moment still was Jody 399 00:20:54.299 --> 00:20:56.279 pushing the master over. 400 00:20:56.339 --> 00:21:00.420 I think, you know, she, you know, they've been, I don't know 401 00:21:00.420 --> 00:21:01.500 they've been kind of tentative. 402 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:05.220 The doctor hasn't been physically violent for like very much, I 403 00:21:05.220 --> 00:21:06.180 think, in the new series. 404 00:21:06.299 --> 00:21:07.980 Am I wrong? 405 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:11.519 You know, Capaldi punched a Nazi in the face, which we're all 406 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:12.000 grateful for. 407 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:15.839 But it was nice to see them give a bit of physicality. 408 00:21:15.900 --> 00:21:16.740 Do you know what I mean? 409 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:18.779 to get Jodie properly angry at the master. 410 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:19.440 I thought it was great. 411 00:21:19.500 --> 00:21:21.299 I was really on board for it. 412 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:22.799 But, yeah. 413 00:21:22.859 --> 00:21:26.579 Especially given how much of a misogynist tears to her. 414 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:28.019 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 415 00:21:28.140 --> 00:21:30.599 I do kind of like the way he calls a love all the time. 416 00:21:30.660 --> 00:21:31.980 I like that too. 417 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:38.039 I like how Joe Martin called the Dr. Deer, you know, or love as 418 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:38.220 well. 419 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:38.940 Like, I like that. 420 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:39.839 I think that's really good. 421 00:21:39.900 --> 00:21:40.440 Yeah. 422 00:21:40.500 --> 00:21:43.619 Maybe we were eating it as misogyny, but it's actually just 423 00:21:43.619 --> 00:21:45.000 northernness. 424 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:46.980 No, I think it's misogyny. 425 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:49.619 And like, I think there's a kind of weird S&M thing about, you 426 00:21:49.619 --> 00:21:52.200 know, making her kneel and all of that in SpyFall too. 427 00:21:52.259 --> 00:21:54.359 I think that, you know, he's evil. 428 00:21:54.420 --> 00:21:56.279 Of course he's a misogynist. 429 00:21:57.299 --> 00:22:00.900 I think he was only like one step away from telling her to pop on 430 00:22:00.900 --> 00:22:02.400 clogs and go feed whip it. 431 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:05.460 Wow. 432 00:22:05.700 --> 00:22:10.740 All right, does anyone have an urgent closing statement? 433 00:22:11.339 --> 00:22:13.319 Doctor Who is dead to me? 434 00:22:13.380 --> 00:22:14.519 Yeah, no, it's over. 435 00:22:14.579 --> 00:22:16.200 I'm very upset. 436 00:22:17.579 --> 00:22:22.319 Could I point something out about just symmetry? 437 00:22:22.380 --> 00:22:23.160 Yeah. 438 00:22:23.220 --> 00:22:28.740 So we, uh, we alluded to the kneeling scene a moment ago from Spy 439 00:22:28.740 --> 00:22:32.460 Fall 2, at the conclusion of this story, the doctor makes the 440 00:22:32.460 --> 00:22:34.140 master kneel while she holds a bomb to his head. 441 00:22:34.259 --> 00:22:34.920 Yeah. 442 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:38.160 And, you know, we know that she's not going to do it. 443 00:22:38.220 --> 00:22:42.359 I like that Ko Shamus rescued her, but I was expecting him to be a 444 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:45.119 doctor because he wanted to touch the title's controls. 445 00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:47.519 I was expecting him to run it and say, who do you think it'd look 446 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:48.359 after all these humans? 447 00:22:48.420 --> 00:22:48.839 Off you go. 448 00:22:48.900 --> 00:22:53.279 Um, the other, the other bit of symmetry that I really liked and 449 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:57.599 was actually a great piece of subtlety from Chipnell, was giving 450 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:00.059 Ryan a bomb shaped like a basketball. 451 00:23:00.539 --> 00:23:04.140 Because of course, he misses the basketball shot the 1st time we 452 00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:07.980 see him in at one and here, he does the basketball shot and blows 453 00:23:07.980 --> 00:23:10.200 up to, blows up 10 or 12 cybermen. 454 00:23:10.259 --> 00:23:14.700 So I appreciate those moments. foreshadowing, guys, foreshadowing. 455 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:15.119 Yeah. 456 00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:15.839 There you go. 457 00:23:16.619 --> 00:23:20.099 And I just say that I think I've been the most negative. 458 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:22.619 Maybe Nathan has, but, you know, I can pretty neck about these 459 00:23:22.619 --> 00:23:23.039 episodes. 460 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:26.940 Um, but um, there was, there was a lot to enjoy on the surface 461 00:23:26.940 --> 00:23:27.240 level. 462 00:23:27.299 --> 00:23:29.519 There was some nice little touches, there was some good action. 463 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:31.319 It was lovely in the way it was shot. 464 00:23:31.380 --> 00:23:34.440 And I don't mind the changes in the canon at all. 465 00:23:34.500 --> 00:23:36.779 I just needed something more to them. 466 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:40.440 I needed some emotional or intellectual reason to be on board with 467 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:41.640 it and that's why I didn't have. 468 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:47.519 I haven't been as negative as you, and I'm fine with the changes 469 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:50.940 and I'm fine with the overall, like where we've ended up. 470 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:55.259 I just struggled with half an hour or 30 minutes of Jody having to 471 00:23:55.259 --> 00:24:00.420 stand there and pull faces whilst she got dictated to, and that's 472 00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:01.740 a part of the story I was talking with. 473 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:04.140 At least he realised that he had to intercut it with action. 474 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:07.799 And so I enjoyed going back to the to the cyber action stuff. 475 00:24:09.299 --> 00:24:13.799 Now, before we go, I'll just say, as Richard can't join us tonight 476 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:16.920 um, this is, these are some comments he he put in. 477 00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:23.279 Um, So, it doesn't make much sense, and I'm not sure that I want 478 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:26.460 the doctor elevator to Joel Shuster and Jerry Siegel level 479 00:24:26.460 --> 00:24:30.180 superhero, but it does give us some nuts to crunch into. 480 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:34.680 If Chippers pulls the cape out and it's all batwee next year, he 481 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:36.779 really will lose his base viewers or not. 482 00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:40.799 Perhaps it'll all make sense in post-Brexity Bitty Britain. 483 00:24:40.859 --> 00:24:42.960 I actually think he's right. 484 00:24:43.019 --> 00:24:47.700 It is one thing that we didn't mention is like exalting the doctor 485 00:24:47.700 --> 00:24:52.500 to be not just any time lord, but the most important time lord or 486 00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:53.940 you know, the source of something. 487 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:55.019 Do you know what I mean? 488 00:24:55.079 --> 00:25:01.740 Like, like, Chipnell started by decentering the doctor and, you 489 00:25:01.740 --> 00:25:05.940 know, not fetishising her the way that, you know, maybe Russell 490 00:25:05.940 --> 00:25:07.140 and Moffatt had. 491 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:13.140 And then suddenly she's, you know, the god, you know, or the, she's 492 00:25:13.140 --> 00:25:16.319 suddenly the sort of source of all time lords, regenerations and 493 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:16.859 stuff. 494 00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:18.000 It seems like an odd choice. 495 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:21.660 But does that mean that we're now going to have her looking for 496 00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:25.920 her people or where she's come from? 497 00:25:25.980 --> 00:25:28.680 Like, I'd find that very tiresome. 498 00:25:28.740 --> 00:25:32.579 I think that the next thing is the division. 499 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:37.500 I think that she now has, she's now Jason Bourne and she has lost 500 00:25:37.500 --> 00:25:42.000 years in her head and we're going to have a tiresome quest about 501 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:42.240 that. 502 00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:45.599 But I think mostly it's going to change nothing and we're just 503 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.700 going to be finding monsters and the usual thing. 504 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:53.819 The thing is, I think in reasserting her identity that no matter 505 00:25:53.819 --> 00:25:55.980 what planet she's from, what dimension she's from, she's a 506 00:25:55.980 --> 00:25:56.279 doctor. 507 00:25:56.339 --> 00:25:59.579 I think she pretty firmly rejects that godhood status. 508 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:00.359 Right. 509 00:26:00.420 --> 00:26:03.839 You know, she, she just wants to travel and knock about. 510 00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:06.000 But of course, now she's locked up on Shada. 511 00:26:06.059 --> 00:26:07.920 So we'll see what happens at Christmas. 512 00:26:07.980 --> 00:26:09.539 Oh, she'll be fine. 513 00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.660 All 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just reactivated its Twitter account, and now every 526 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:01.200 12 hours or so it picks a Doctor Who story at random for you to 527 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:04.799 watch, uh, and that's really all it does at the moment, although I 528 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:08.400 have extravagant future plans for it, so you can follow that at at 529 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:11.940 DW Randomiser. on Twitter. 530 00:27:12.059 --> 00:27:17.579 Um, I know that Brendan has something important to plug too 531 00:27:17.579 --> 00:27:18.960 because it's March. 532 00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:24.359 Yes, so in a few weeks, dear listeners, I will be um, reviewing 533 00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:28.200 weekly, the Christopher Eccleston series on its 15th anniversary 534 00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:31.440 and I would like to incorporate viewer comments. 535 00:27:31.500 --> 00:27:35.940 So if you have any comments for any episodes in series one. 536 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:39.660 Please send them to me at Brandy Bongos on Twitter. 537 00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:44.099 You can also comment on my YouTube videos. in order to do that. 538 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:47.640 But I figure sending them to me on Twitter is probably going to be 539 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:51.480 easier for you and easier for me to keep track of as well. 540 00:27:51.539 --> 00:27:55.440 But yeah, any story in series one because obviously I'll be 541 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:56.759 recording them ahead of time. 542 00:27:56.819 --> 00:27:57.720 Thank you very much. 543 00:27:57.779 --> 00:27:58.859 Brilliant. 544 00:27:58.920 --> 00:27:59.460 Okay. 545 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:01.319 So until next year. 546 00:28:01.380 --> 00:28:03.000 Stay away from cliffs. 547 00:28:03.059 --> 00:28:06.240 Nothing good ever came from playing near a cliff. 548 00:28:06.299 --> 00:28:08.759 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 549 00:28:08.819 --> 00:28:10.380 Good night. 550 00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:12.480 I think a vicar might disagree with you. 551 00:28:12.539 --> 00:28:12.839 Good night. 552 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:13.799 Good night. 553 00:28:13.859 --> 00:28:15.000 See you soon. 554 00:28:21.059 --> 00:28:22.319 Okay. 555 00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:23.579 Did everyone do one? 556 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:24.420 I'll rearrange them. 557 00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:26.880 Is that all alright? 558 00:28:26.940 --> 00:28:30.420 Does anyone feel everyone got to say things? 559 00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:33.960 No, it was wholly negative as ever. 560 00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:36.539 I thought I would out negative you at one. 561 00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:37.799 I thought it was really terrible. 562 00:28:37.859 --> 00:28:41.940 Like, really, barely an episode of television. 563 00:28:43.259 --> 00:28:45.779 But, yeah, anyway. 564 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:46.319 All right. 565 00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:47.099 Okay. 566 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:51.000 Barely an episode of television. 567 00:28:51.059 --> 00:28:53.460 I want them to put that on the DVD cover. 568 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:57.720 I gave the combined episodes 8 out of 10. 569 00:28:58.019 --> 00:28:58.799 Okay. 570 00:28:58.859 --> 00:29:01.619 Well, I don't do that, but 2 maybe? 571 00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:02.400 No. 572 00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:05.339 Point eight. 573 00:29:05.460 --> 00:29:08.160 Well, things happen in Rand Square, Colos, at least. 574 00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:11.579 Seven. 575 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:13.319 Okay. 576 00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:14.220 Nice. 577 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:17.099 I thought I thought the Simon stuff was like super generic. 578 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:19.440 Like I just thought it was sort of terribly boring, and then they 579 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:21.720 throw a shard away really quickly, and he's probably the best 580 00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:24.839 thing the episodes got going for it, but it never sent us around 581 00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:25.079 him. 582 00:29:25.140 --> 00:29:25.920 Do you know what I mean? 583 00:29:25.980 --> 00:29:29.279 Like the master says, robots, they're dumb and then kind of kills 584 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:29.579 you. 585 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:30.480 I just sort of think. 586 00:29:30.539 --> 00:29:31.500 I don't know. 587 00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:32.759 The master's very good. 588 00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:34.200 Like, I think he's very cool. 589 00:29:34.259 --> 00:29:34.440 Yeah.