WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 12:50:17 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.259 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody Interterterra, the only Doctor Who Flash cast, Under Attack from Giant Genetically Engineered Bandages. 2 00:00:10.619 --> 00:00:13.560 We've all watched the episode this week. 3 00:00:13.619 --> 00:00:17.940 And so we'll go around and find out what everyone thought. 4 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:20.100 Let some, let's start with Brendan. 5 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:27.300 Hi, so, um, yeah, this is an interesting one, isn't it? 6 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:28.440 Because... 7 00:00:29.579 --> 00:00:42.539 I'm trying to decide whether to give it a 6 or a 7 out of 10 and I think it's going to be a 7, but I have to say if I were to give a one word review of this episode, it would be underwhelming. 8 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:43.380 Ooh. 9 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:50.700 Um, I just, I just kind of felt, It was very bare bones. 10 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:59.340 Um, you know, we kind of moved from peril to peril, but none of them really felt like a massively dangerous situation. 11 00:00:59.340 --> 00:01:04.140 And I was talking to, um, a friend of the podcast, Matt H today. 12 00:01:04.140 --> 00:01:16.980 And we kind of came to the conclusion that it's, It's actually because this one, we kind of felt, would work better as a 2 parter, and you would have more time to build up the threat and what have you. 13 00:01:17.340 --> 00:01:25.980 But I think what saves it for me. and does probably make it a 7 rather than a 6 is the character interactions. 14 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:27.299 Yeah. 15 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:32.640 And so, you know, last week we had to establish all the regulars, but we still had a couple of minor characters. 16 00:01:32.700 --> 00:01:35.219 This week is stripped down even further. 17 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:42.780 There's only 3 supporting characters, one of which Ellen, played by Art Malik, only appears in 2 scenes. 18 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:52.379 So the rest of the time where with, um, was it, um, Efro, Esto, Epso, and Armstrong, yes? 19 00:01:53.099 --> 00:01:57.840 No, Angstrom. you know like a measurement of very, very small distances. 20 00:01:58.019 --> 00:01:59.700 Yeah, yeah. 21 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:09.000 So yeah, so we got to see the our league characters interacting with each other and interacting with these 2 guest cast. 22 00:02:09.060 --> 00:02:21.539 Um, Something that I think happened, and this goes back to something Todd said last week, I really hope they do something interesting with Yaz soon because right now she's Nissa. 23 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:25.080 Yeah, yeah. 24 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:26.280 She's nice. 25 00:02:26.460 --> 00:02:28.199 She's nice. 26 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:30.479 She and she is clearly a very talented actress. 27 00:02:30.539 --> 00:02:30.960 I'm not. 28 00:02:31.379 --> 00:02:36.180 I'm not taking anything away from Mandate Gill, but I just got to the end of the episode. 29 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:39.000 I'm like, what did, what, what, what, what did Yaz? 30 00:02:39.180 --> 00:02:40.919 What did Yaz do this week? 31 00:02:40.979 --> 00:02:43.620 She had a, you know, she had a nice conversation with Angstrom. 32 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:49.379 But I'm going to accentuate the positive. 33 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.979 Jody continues to be really, really impressive. 34 00:02:53.039 --> 00:03:08.219 Um, I saw someone on Twitter say today that one of the things they really like about Jody's doctor is that, you know, the 10th doctor in the 11th doctor would go on about, oh, you know, I'm the smartest person in the room before they did anything. 35 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:22.620 Whereas in this episode, Jody manages to Crashlander spacecraft while keeping everyone alive and um, figure out what the what the danger is before she tells anyone how clever she is. 36 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:24.000 Show don't tell. 37 00:03:24.060 --> 00:03:24.539 Yeah. 38 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:25.800 Yeah, yeah. 39 00:03:25.860 --> 00:03:32.340 And, you know, she still says, oh, by the way, I'm clever, but it's it, she's not volunteering it the way that tenant would do. 40 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:36.360 She, it's kind of, I think it's Angstrom saying, but how do you know that? 41 00:03:36.419 --> 00:03:37.379 Oh, did I not mention? 42 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:38.219 I'm really clever. 43 00:03:38.460 --> 00:03:44.759 It makes the other, the other, the last few doctors really sound quite arrogant. 44 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:45.960 Yeah, no. 45 00:03:46.020 --> 00:03:47.159 They're super obnoxious. 46 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:49.020 What did what did you think, Todd? 47 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.039 I'll phrase it like this. 48 00:03:53.099 --> 00:04:12.180 The newly regenerated 5th doctor in Yoohoo manages to take control of the spaceship and crash made it on a pretty, a planet full of, a lot of stand and danger on the surface, and decides that it's better to probably go underground, but does end up sort of meeting some Android. 49 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:14.939 Oh, I mean robot that she didn't know was there. 50 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:18.779 She tells her good companion, Nissa, Brandon. 51 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:20.639 Oh, yes, as we know. 52 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:25.319 But she's completely forgotten about her, which in fact is very true. 53 00:04:25.379 --> 00:04:32.819 And Yaz appears to be okay with that for most of the episode, but she does get to reminisce about her father and do what she does best. 54 00:04:32.819 --> 00:04:39.360 Investigate, scientific lab slash garage. 55 00:04:39.420 --> 00:04:48.540 Meanwhile, Ad Drake, or should I say, uh, Ryan decides that he's going to act like a petulant teenager and not take anybody's advice. 56 00:04:49.199 --> 00:05:01.500 Except, of course, the doctor tries to build a bridge to him, but he decides that he's going to try and save the day by putting himself into some alien technology or at least his arm. 57 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:03.600 And does that go very well? 58 00:05:03.660 --> 00:05:04.560 Well, maybe it does. 59 00:05:04.620 --> 00:05:05.399 Maybe it doesn't. 60 00:05:05.459 --> 00:05:07.980 Meanwhile, sorry. 61 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:22.620 Meanwhile, Keegan, oh, I meant Graham, decides to wear some really, uh, uh, funky, um, Glasses or outfits that he didn't sketch and appear to have come out of nowhere. 62 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:33.180 But is taking the advice of Aunt Vanessa to be pucky and strong and actually be the character that I like the most, but lots of good advice and great one liners. 63 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:49.500 Um, only to discover that, of course, at the end of the day, that behind everything is the evil, that killed, um, killed, um, and that evil being, of course, either, um, well, who was it, Khalid? 64 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:50.759 Oh, no, sorry, Dipple Treeve. 65 00:05:50.819 --> 00:05:52.079 Oh no, I meant Kim Shaw. 66 00:05:52.139 --> 00:05:55.560 But in the end, everything worked out because they do get back to the Tartars. 67 00:05:55.620 --> 00:05:58.439 Because after all, that's where it all began. 68 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:05.160 Oh, I can't tell whether you liked it or not. 69 00:06:06.899 --> 00:06:09.540 Okay, continue these all the season. 70 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:14.459 I was just trying to, the moment that, um, the doctor said, I've forgotten about you to Yaz. 71 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:19.560 I just went, oh my god, it's Nissa, please, and so, Brendan, you touched on that point really well. 72 00:06:19.620 --> 00:06:20.699 Look, yeah. 73 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:23.279 I thought I just thought, wow. 74 00:06:23.339 --> 00:06:30.600 This episode is usually one of the most beautiful episode that I've never seen in doctor. 75 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:35.459 I really, and as the doctor said, we're better as a team. 76 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:38.040 And as a team, all their team at moment. 77 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:40.319 I thought works from India. 78 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:45.360 Individually, I think, at the moment, there are weaknesses. 79 00:06:45.420 --> 00:07:04.860 Um, I enjoyed this much more than last week and I certainly give it an 8 out of 10, but the story, storyline is very linear and so I kind of think that, you know, repeated viewings that may not hold up and I'd like to have a storyline that both of these storylines have been quite linear for me. 80 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:09.480 Um, I like the whole idea of having the space race and all that sort of thing. 81 00:07:09.540 --> 00:07:12.180 Um, but the urgency. 82 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:21.779 I don't know if there's an urgency, I think having the longer episode, you have action sequences and then you have sort of lulls in the action, but you get those character moments. 83 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:24.000 And I really like the incidental music this week. 84 00:07:24.060 --> 00:07:32.100 Again, it was very old school who, and it allowed you to listen to dialogue and thought I really actually enjoyed it a lot. 85 00:07:32.220 --> 00:07:33.959 Oh, good. excellent. 86 00:07:34.019 --> 00:07:35.339 I'm gonna move on to James. 87 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:41.399 See, the reasons that you're not sure about it, Todd. 88 00:07:41.459 --> 00:07:43.920 I think actually the reasons why I quite enjoyed it. 89 00:07:43.980 --> 00:07:52.079 Just so different from what we've been getting for the last 5 or 6 years because um, there isn't that frantic pace. 90 00:07:52.139 --> 00:07:57.720 It has room to, you know, spend with the incidental characters. 91 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:07.860 Um, And you get to actually flesh them out, more you get to, um, some great performances from the guest cast. 92 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:10.199 Oh, yeah, I think they were all brilliant. 93 00:08:10.259 --> 00:08:12.300 I mean, I totally agree. 94 00:08:12.420 --> 00:08:16.980 Look, most of the casting of the last 2 episodes has been really impressive. 95 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:19.860 Still Andy Pryor, isn't it? 96 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:21.000 I think so. 97 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:21.720 He hasn't left. 98 00:08:22.379 --> 00:08:22.920 Yeah, yeah. 99 00:08:22.980 --> 00:08:24.000 No, it's still Andy Pryor. 100 00:08:25.019 --> 00:08:31.019 And, look, no, I also, the music is just beautiful. 101 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:35.460 So it's so very different from, again, I think it's just because it's so fresh. 102 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:45.360 Everything is just so new and everything you expect having watched this for like the last, yeah, well, your entire life. 103 00:08:46.500 --> 00:08:53.279 On and off over, you know, 35, 40, almost 15 year period. 104 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:55.019 Shut up. for some of us. 105 00:08:57.779 --> 00:09:02.700 At least it seems like that sometimes, especially in the last few years. 106 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:19.500 Um, it's, it's just so fresh and um, the, the, the, Incidental music is just, so atmosphere, it's atmospheric, I think, is, is why I really like it. 107 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:51.779 It's sort of just, almost you don't notice it's there a lot of the time and occasionally it just swells up in the mix and um, there's just this, this, the, the music, the, um, the way that, It seems to be being pitched at the moment is, there's just so much hope. in, like, in, in, like it just feels like it's gained this sort of sense of optimism that has been, you know, kind of missing. 108 00:09:51.840 --> 00:10:06.000 Like, I mean, I really liked the Capaldi years and I enjoyed it as a fan, but it was very dark and I don't think particularly welcoming if you didn't know what the hell was going on. 109 00:10:06.659 --> 00:10:11.460 Um, yeah, I think that's, I think that that's exactly right. 110 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:13.679 And I think that the figures have sort of shown that. 111 00:10:13.740 --> 00:10:31.139 Um, I guess that I want to say that the 1st time that I watched this, I thought that it was really very thin, and I try to imagine doing a 45 minute episode, a 45 minute episode of Flight through Entirety, on this episode and thought, I don't think it can be done. 112 00:10:31.139 --> 00:10:34.860 I don't think that there's really enough going on. 113 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:41.340 So, yeah, so I was a little bit disappointed. 114 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.139 I thought it was sort of super linear. 115 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:56.460 I thought that the message that we're all better, if we work together was kind of banal, and, you know, like I just, I miss the weirdness and the hyper reality of Doctor Who. 116 00:10:56.460 --> 00:11:15.899 And, um, you know, it seemed sort of not gun exactly, but it seems to have broken the gunfrock dichotomy by being super serious, um, and, but not being like super sort of fun and clever and stuff. 117 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:18.240 And, you know, like I was a bit worried. 118 00:11:18.299 --> 00:11:22.139 And I've just watched it again tonight, and I have to say that I enjoyed it a great deal more. 119 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:44.039 Um, because I think that the, that, you know, the teamwork thing is a bit trite, but it does land really well and all of the characters, I, you know, um, occupy sort of different areas in relationship to that idea, you know, particularly Epso and um, and Angstrom, but also the regulars too, and the doctor as well. 120 00:11:44.100 --> 00:11:46.320 So I thought that worked really well. 121 00:11:46.379 --> 00:11:53.279 I think the show looks absolutely amazing, and I found my 2nd watch really, very enjoyable. 122 00:11:53.340 --> 00:11:56.519 I'm a little bit worried, I have to say. 123 00:11:56.940 --> 00:11:59.279 How do we feel a console? 124 00:11:59.340 --> 00:12:01.200 Oh, we have to talk about the TARDIS. 125 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:03.299 Thumbs up, Todd. 126 00:12:04.620 --> 00:12:07.259 No, I'm not giving a thumbs up. 127 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:10.320 I'm giving a sideways thumb at the moment. 128 00:12:10.379 --> 00:12:11.700 I like the door coming in. 129 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:15.960 The whole console area reminds me a bit of like Krypton Superman. 130 00:12:16.019 --> 00:12:18.179 I actually wanted... 131 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:30.899 I actually wanted to go, um, old school retro like Hartnall Troughton, um, very much so because I really loved Capaldi Tardis, so, and I looked very cramped, but, but the jury's still out for me. 132 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:32.820 I'll wait till we see how it feels. 133 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:49.259 It'll be nice to see other directors handle it, actually, because I thought it, it seemed like a massive space, but, you know, there's those sort of columns in the main sort of console area which make me wonder, you know, how we're going to shoot it. certainly, I thought it was shot really well. 134 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:52.080 And her reaction to it was amazing. 135 00:12:52.139 --> 00:12:52.980 What did you think, Brendan? 136 00:12:53.879 --> 00:13:07.679 Well, Richard can't be with us tonight, but I just received a text from him saying, make sure you mention the Himalayan rock salt crystal. and then a word I can't mention on the podcast to describe the central area. 137 00:13:07.740 --> 00:13:16.500 Um, look, I, I like the idea of the design and I like the crystal idea because, you know, we had the coral and then we had the sort of kitty, kitty bang, bang tartis. 138 00:13:16.500 --> 00:13:19.740 And then we had the submarine. kind of tartars. 139 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:30.720 The only thing is, from a shot composition point of view, those, those stanchions, those sort of supports around the console, they're really, really close to it. 140 00:13:30.779 --> 00:13:32.039 Yeah, yeah. 141 00:13:32.100 --> 00:13:34.019 You know, it seems very crammed. 142 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:46.080 Yeah, like, Um, yeah, I feel it wasn't terribly well shot because we got that wonderful bit at the end where there's a custard cream dispenser. 143 00:13:46.620 --> 00:13:48.360 Which... 144 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:49.679 Recognise that. 145 00:13:49.740 --> 00:13:52.019 I didn't even see that, but I couldn't look at what it was. 146 00:13:52.080 --> 00:14:01.500 But I found out what that is because they're putting special features up on on the, on the, don't forget to subscribe to the official Doctor Who YouTube channel channel. 147 00:14:02.039 --> 00:14:09.179 But what it is, the designer just pulled Jody aside one day and said, can't tell you why, but what's your favourite biscuit? 148 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:14.759 And so the custard cream is Jodie Whitaker's favourite biscuit. 149 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:17.340 And I really quite like that, but... 150 00:14:18.659 --> 00:14:24.299 Yeah, I'm interested to see more of the set and see them in, see them in the set more. 151 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:25.139 Yeah. 152 00:14:25.139 --> 00:14:26.279 A bugbear. 153 00:14:26.340 --> 00:14:42.059 A bugbear I kind of have, though, right, is that with the Matt Smith set, Well, even with the Eccleston tenant set, you know, the Sonic Screwdriver was designed to have the same kind of cracked ceramic effect as the console. 154 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:51.120 The Matt Smith sonic, um, the emitter tip was designed to look like the glass sculpture in the central column. 155 00:14:51.419 --> 00:15:02.879 And now with Jody's TARDIS, it appears that the console has been designed to match the crystal at the end of her Sonic, but the Sonic doesn't come from the TARDIS. this time. 156 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:07.379 Okay, that was the cyberman telling us that our time was up. 157 00:15:07.500 --> 00:15:10.740 I forgot that I'd changed the timer ending sound. 158 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:13.139 Sorry, man. 159 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:16.559 Hang on, want to read that. 160 00:15:16.620 --> 00:15:21.840 I read that as because she uses it to tempt the TARDIS back. 161 00:15:21.899 --> 00:15:28.200 It feeds the Sonic screwdriver and and, you know, it's a time machine. 162 00:15:28.259 --> 00:15:35.580 So you can travel back in its own timeline and reconstruct itself along the same lines as her sonic screwdriver. 163 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:37.379 Okay, fine. 164 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:42.539 Yep, we can head cannon, anything. 10 out of 10. 165 00:15:43.500 --> 00:15:46.799 I do like the little spinning crystal tartar. 166 00:15:46.860 --> 00:15:48.480 Yeah, that's... 167 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:50.700 Yeah, they're going to sell a sponge for them. 168 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:51.360 Yep. 169 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:53.820 I'm sorry, Todd, what was that? 170 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:55.679 What do we think of the opening title? 171 00:15:55.919 --> 00:16:03.360 Oh, I like them in that they are off putting in a way that the original was. 172 00:16:03.419 --> 00:16:14.879 So it's really hard to sort of cast your back to 1963, but it was the 1st bit of electronic music that a lot of people heard and it had these inexplicable shapes and was like nothing at all on television and people were scared of it. 173 00:16:14.940 --> 00:16:15.960 Little kids were scared of it. 174 00:16:16.019 --> 00:16:20.039 I can just about imagine kids being scared of these opening titles. 175 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:23.820 I think they're and the music distorts and that kind of thing. 176 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:25.259 They're off putting. 177 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:28.500 And I actually quite like them. 178 00:16:28.620 --> 00:16:36.840 I, look, I really, I really liked the opening titles, the only problem I have with them is the treatment on the logo. 179 00:16:36.899 --> 00:16:42.360 It looks muddy and like it, there's not enough, it doesn't pop enough. 180 00:16:42.419 --> 00:16:43.200 I don't know. 181 00:16:43.259 --> 00:16:45.720 We've come out of our long national nightmare of the Moffat logo. 182 00:16:45.779 --> 00:16:46.559 Yeah, for God's sake. 183 00:16:46.620 --> 00:16:51.120 It reminded me of the treatment on the Eccleston series. 184 00:16:51.179 --> 00:16:53.580 Like, yeah, it didn't... 185 00:16:53.580 --> 00:16:56.639 There was not enough contrast between the logo and the vortex. 186 00:16:56.700 --> 00:17:01.919 It just kind of, it's there, then it kind of flies at the screen and, and yeah. 187 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:04.019 And it's over too soon. 188 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:09.539 I think we're done unless there's an emergency remark that Todd wants to make. 189 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:12.839 I'm not sold on Jody. 190 00:17:12.900 --> 00:17:16.200 Oh, I think that's all we have time? 191 00:17:16.259 --> 00:17:16.799 No, really. 192 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:20.220 We have. 193 00:17:23.099 --> 00:17:25.859 All right. you know, yeah. 194 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:26.339 Yeah. 195 00:17:26.339 --> 00:17:27.180 Another thing. 196 00:17:27.180 --> 00:17:35.099 CDBC, kids television and I'm up and down and it's Peter Davidson all over again for me. 197 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:37.019 You see, I think I think? 198 00:17:37.140 --> 00:17:37.980 Yeah. 199 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:42.180 I mean, people always say that Peter Davidson's the nice doctor, but I can't get that at all. 200 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:44.880 I think Jody is the nicest doctor that we've had. 201 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:48.119 Sometimes Pat is nice in the way that Jody is nice. 202 00:17:48.180 --> 00:17:50.640 Pete's always exasperated with everyone. 203 00:17:50.700 --> 00:17:52.319 He's constantly annoying. 204 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:56.940 We might wind that up there. 205 00:17:58.500 --> 00:18:19.380 Okay, so Apple Podcast is yet to approve us, but if you want to listen to this on your phone in your poker hatcher of choice, just go to Jodyintaterterra.com and click on subscribe on your device and with a bit of luck, your podcatcher will be clever enough to realise it's a podcast feed and we'll open it there. 206 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:21.359 We'll let you know once it's available. 207 00:18:21.420 --> 00:18:30.779 We'll be back exactly a week from now with the next episode, which I'm not going to give you the title of because potential spoilers. 208 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:35.160 Make sure that you also check out Flight through Entirety at FlightthroughEntirety.com. 209 00:18:35.220 --> 00:18:38.700 And that's really what I have to say. 210 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:40.799 Should I say thank you very much for listening and good night. 211 00:18:40.859 --> 00:18:43.019 Yes Okay. 212 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:43.859 Good night. 213 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:45.059 Bye. 214 00:18:45.180 --> 00:18:46.079 Good night. 215 00:18:46.140 --> 00:18:49.680 I don't think any of us even said the ghost monument, you know. 216 00:18:49.740 --> 00:18:51.000 Could I? 217 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:51.539 Whoops.