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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody Interterterra, the

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only Doctor Who Flash cast, Under Attack from Giant Genetically

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Engineered Bandages.

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We've all watched the episode this week.

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And so we'll go around and find out what everyone thought.

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Let some, let's start with Brendan.

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Hi, so, um, yeah, this is an interesting one, isn't it?

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Because...

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I'm trying to decide whether to give it a 6 or a 7 out of 10 and I

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think it's going to be a 7, but I have to say if I were to give a

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one word review of this episode, it would be underwhelming.

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Ooh.

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Um, I just, I just kind of felt, It was very bare bones.

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Um, you know, we kind of moved from peril to peril, but none of

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them really felt like a massively dangerous situation.

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And I was talking to, um, a friend of the podcast, Matt H today.

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And we kind of came to the conclusion that it's, It's actually

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because this one, we kind of felt, would work better as a 2 parter

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and you would have more time to build up the threat and what have

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you.

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But I think what saves it for me. and does probably make it a 7

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rather than a 6 is the character interactions.

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Yeah.

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And so, you know, last week we had to establish all the regulars

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but we still had a couple of minor characters.

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This week is stripped down even further.

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There's only 3 supporting characters, one of which Ellen, played

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by Art Malik, only appears in 2 scenes.

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So the rest of the time where with, um, was it, um, Efro, Esto

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Epso, and Armstrong, yes?

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No, Angstrom. you know like a measurement of very, very small

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distances.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So yeah, so we got to see the our league characters interacting

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with each other and interacting with these 2 guest cast.

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Um, Something that I think happened, and this goes back to

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something Todd said last week, I really hope they do something

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interesting with Yaz soon because right now she's Nissa.

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Yeah, yeah.

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She's nice.

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She's nice.

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She and she is clearly a very talented actress.

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I'm not.

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I'm not taking anything away from Mandate Gill, but I just got to

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the end of the episode.

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I'm like, what did, what, what, what, what did Yaz?

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What did Yaz do this week?

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She had a, you know, she had a nice conversation with Angstrom.

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But I'm going to accentuate the positive.

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Jody continues to be really, really impressive.

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Um, I saw someone on Twitter say today that one of the things they

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really like about Jody's doctor is that, you know, the 10th doctor

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in the 11th doctor would go on about, oh, you know, I'm the

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smartest person in the room before they did anything.

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Whereas in this episode, Jody manages to Crashlander spacecraft

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while keeping everyone alive and um, figure out what the what the

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danger is before she tells anyone how clever she is.

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Show don't tell.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And, you know, she still says, oh, by the way, I'm clever, but

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it's it, she's not volunteering it the way that tenant would do.

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She, it's kind of, I think it's Angstrom saying, but how do you

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know that?

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Oh, did I not mention?

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I'm really clever.

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It makes the other, the other, the last few doctors really sound

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quite arrogant.

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Yeah, no.

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They're super obnoxious.

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What did what did you think, Todd?

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I'll phrase it like this.

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The newly regenerated 5th doctor in Yoohoo manages to take control

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of the spaceship and crash made it on a pretty, a planet full of, a

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lot of stand and danger on the surface, and decides that it's

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better to probably go underground, but does end up sort of meeting

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some Android.

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Oh, I mean robot that she didn't know was there.

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She tells her good companion, Nissa, Brandon.

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Oh, yes, as we know.

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But she's completely forgotten about her, which in fact is very

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true.

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And Yaz appears to be okay with that for most of the episode, but

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she does get to reminisce about her father and do what she does

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best.

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Investigate, scientific lab slash garage.

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Meanwhile, Ad Drake, or should I say, uh, Ryan decides that he's

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going to act like a petulant teenager and not take anybody's

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advice.

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Except, of course, the doctor tries to build a bridge to him, but

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he decides that he's going to try and save the day by putting

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himself into some alien technology or at least his arm.

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And does that go very well?

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Well, maybe it does.

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Maybe it doesn't.

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Meanwhile, sorry.

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Meanwhile, Keegan, oh, I meant Graham, decides to wear some really

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uh, uh, funky, um, Glasses or outfits that he didn't sketch and

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appear to have come out of nowhere.

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But is taking the advice of Aunt Vanessa to be pucky and strong

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and actually be the character that I like the most, but lots of

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good advice and great one liners.

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Um, only to discover that, of course, at the end of the day, that

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behind everything is the evil, that killed, um, killed, um, and

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that evil being, of course, either, um, well, who was it, Khalid?

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Oh, no, sorry, Dipple Treeve.

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Oh no, I meant Kim Shaw.

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But in the end, everything worked out because they do get back to

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the Tartars.

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Because after all, that's where it all began.

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Oh, I can't tell whether you liked it or not.

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Okay, continue these all the season.

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I was just trying to, the moment that, um, the doctor said, I've

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forgotten about you to Yaz.

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I just went, oh my god, it's Nissa, please, and so, Brendan, you

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touched on that point really well.

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Look, yeah.

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I thought I just thought, wow.

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This episode is usually one of the most beautiful episode that

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I've never seen in doctor.

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I really, and as the doctor said, we're better as a team.

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And as a team, all their team at moment.

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I thought works from India.

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Individually, I think, at the moment, there are weaknesses.

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Um, I enjoyed this much more than last week and I certainly give

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it an 8 out of 10, but the story, storyline is very linear and so

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I kind of think that, you know, repeated viewings that may not

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hold up and I'd like to have a storyline that both of these

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storylines have been quite linear for me.

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Um, I like the whole idea of having the space race and all that

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sort of thing.

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Um, but the urgency.

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I don't know if there's an urgency, I think having the longer

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episode, you have action sequences and then you have sort of lulls

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in the action, but you get those character moments.

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And I really like the incidental music this week.

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Again, it was very old school who, and it allowed you to listen to

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dialogue and thought I really actually enjoyed it a lot.

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Oh, good. excellent.

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I'm gonna move on to James.

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See, the reasons that you're not sure about it, Todd.

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I think actually the reasons why I quite enjoyed it.

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Just so different from what we've been getting for the last 5 or 6

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years because um, there isn't that frantic pace.

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It has room to, you know, spend with the incidental characters.

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Um, And you get to actually flesh them out, more you get to, um

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some great performances from the guest cast.

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Oh, yeah, I think they were all brilliant.

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I mean, I totally agree.

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Look, most of the casting of the last 2 episodes has been really

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impressive.

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Still Andy Pryor, isn't it?

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I think so.

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He hasn't left.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, it's still Andy Pryor.

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And, look, no, I also, the music is just beautiful.

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So it's so very different from, again, I think it's just because

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it's so fresh.

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Everything is just so new and everything you expect having watched

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this for like the last, yeah, well, your entire life.

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On and off over, you know, 35, 40, almost 15 year period.

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Shut up. for some of us.

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At least it seems like that sometimes, especially in the last few

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years.

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Um, it's, it's just so fresh and um, the, the, the, Incidental

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music is just, so atmosphere, it's atmospheric, I think, is, is

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why I really like it.

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It's sort of just, almost you don't notice it's there a lot of the

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time and occasionally it just swells up in the mix and um, there's

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just this, this, the, the music, the, um, the way that, It seems

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to be being pitched at the moment is, there's just so much hope. in

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like, in, in, like it just feels like it's gained this sort of

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sense of optimism that has been, you know, kind of missing.

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Like, I mean, I really liked the Capaldi years and I enjoyed it as

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a fan, but it was very dark and I don't think particularly

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welcoming if you didn't know what the hell was going on.

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Um, yeah, I think that's, I think that that's exactly right.

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And I think that the figures have sort of shown that.

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Um, I guess that I want to say that the 1st time that I watched

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this, I thought that it was really very thin, and I try to imagine

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doing a 45 minute episode, a 45 minute episode of Flight through

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Entirety, on this episode and thought, I don't think it can be

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done.

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I don't think that there's really enough going on.

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So, yeah, so I was a little bit disappointed.

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I thought it was sort of super linear.

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I thought that the message that we're all better, if we work

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together was kind of banal, and, you know, like I just, I miss the

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weirdness and the hyper reality of Doctor Who.

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And, um, you know, it seemed sort of not gun exactly, but it seems

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to have broken the gunfrock dichotomy by being super serious, um

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and, but not being like super sort of fun and clever and stuff.

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And, you know, like I was a bit worried.

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And I've just watched it again tonight, and I have to say that I

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enjoyed it a great deal more.

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Um, because I think that the, that, you know, the teamwork thing

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is a bit trite, but it does land really well and all of the

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characters, I, you know, um, occupy sort of different areas in

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relationship to that idea, you know, particularly Epso and um, and

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Angstrom, but also the regulars too, and the doctor as well.

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So I thought that worked really well.

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I think the show looks absolutely amazing, and I found my 2nd

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watch really, very enjoyable.

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I'm a little bit worried, I have to say.

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How do we feel a console?

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Oh, we have to talk about the TARDIS.

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Thumbs up, Todd.

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No, I'm not giving a thumbs up.

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I'm giving a sideways thumb at the moment.

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I like the door coming in.

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The whole console area reminds me a bit of like Krypton Superman.

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I actually wanted...

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I actually wanted to go, um, old school retro like Hartnall

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Troughton, um, very much so because I really loved Capaldi Tardis

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so, and I looked very cramped, but, but the jury's still out for

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me.

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I'll wait till we see how it feels.

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It'll be nice to see other directors handle it, actually, because

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I thought it, it seemed like a massive space, but, you know

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there's those sort of columns in the main sort of console area

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which make me wonder, you know, how we're going to shoot it

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certainly, I thought it was shot really well.

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And her reaction to it was amazing.

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What did you think, Brendan?

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Well, Richard can't be with us tonight, but I just received a text

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from him saying, make sure you mention the Himalayan rock salt

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crystal. and then a word I can't mention on the podcast to

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describe the central area.

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Um, look, I, I like the idea of the design and I like the crystal

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idea because, you know, we had the coral and then we had the sort

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of kitty, kitty bang, bang tartis.

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And then we had the submarine. kind of tartars.

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The only thing is, from a shot composition point of view, those

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those stanchions, those sort of supports around the console

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they're really, really close to it.

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You know, it seems very crammed.

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Yeah, like, Um, yeah, I feel it wasn't terribly well shot because

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we got that wonderful bit at the end where there's a custard cream

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dispenser.

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Which...

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Recognise that.

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I didn't even see that, but I couldn't look at what it was.

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But I found out what that is because they're putting special

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features up on on the, on the, don't forget to subscribe to the

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official Doctor Who YouTube channel channel.

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But what it is, the designer just pulled Jody aside one day and

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said, can't tell you why, but what's your favourite biscuit?

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And so the custard cream is Jodie Whitaker's favourite biscuit.

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And I really quite like that, but...

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Yeah, I'm interested to see more of the set and see them in, see

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them in the set more.

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A bugbear.

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A bugbear I kind of have, though, right, is that with the Matt

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Smith set, Well, even with the Eccleston tenant set, you know, the

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Sonic Screwdriver was designed to have the same kind of cracked

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ceramic effect as the console.

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The Matt Smith sonic, um, the emitter tip was designed to look

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like the glass sculpture in the central column.

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And now with Jody's TARDIS, it appears that the console has been

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designed to match the crystal at the end of her Sonic, but the

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Sonic doesn't come from the TARDIS. this time.

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Okay, that was the cyberman telling us that our time was up.

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I forgot that I'd changed the timer ending sound.

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Sorry, man.

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Hang on, want to read that.

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I read that as because she uses it to tempt the TARDIS back.

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It feeds the Sonic screwdriver and and, you know, it's a time

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machine.

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So you can travel back in its own timeline and reconstruct itself

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along the same lines as her sonic screwdriver.

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Okay, fine.

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Yep, we can head cannon, anything. 10 out of 10.

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I do like the little spinning crystal tartar.

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Yeah, that's...

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Yeah, they're going to sell a sponge for them.

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I'm sorry, Todd, what was that?

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What do we think of the opening title?

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Oh, I like them in that they are off putting in a way that the

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original was.

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So it's really hard to sort of cast your back to 1963, but it was

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the 1st bit of electronic music that a lot of people heard and it

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had these inexplicable shapes and was like nothing at all on

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television and people were scared of it.

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Little kids were scared of it.

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I can just about imagine kids being scared of these opening

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titles.

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I think they're and the music distorts and that kind of thing.

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They're off putting.

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And I actually quite like them.

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I, look, I really, I really liked the opening titles, the only

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problem I have with them is the treatment on the logo.

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It looks muddy and like it, there's not enough, it doesn't pop

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enough.

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I don't know.

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We've come out of our long national nightmare of the Moffat logo.

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Yeah, for God's sake.

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It reminded me of the treatment on the Eccleston series.

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Like, yeah, it didn't...

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There was not enough contrast between the logo and the vortex.

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It just kind of, it's there, then it kind of flies at the screen

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and, and yeah.

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And it's over too soon.

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I think we're done unless there's an emergency remark that Todd

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wants to make.

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I'm not sold on Jody.

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Oh, I think that's all we have time?

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No, really.

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We have.

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All right. you know, yeah.

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Another thing.

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CDBC, kids television and I'm up and down and it's Peter Davidson

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all over again for me.

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You see, I think I think?

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Yeah.

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I mean, people always say that Peter Davidson's the nice doctor

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but I can't get that at all.

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I think Jody is the nicest doctor that we've had.

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Sometimes Pat is nice in the way that Jody is nice.

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Pete's always exasperated with everyone.

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He's constantly annoying.

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We might wind that up there.

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Okay, so Apple Podcast is yet to approve us, but if you want to

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listen to this on your phone in your poker hatcher of choice, just

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go to Jodyintaterterra.com and click on subscribe on your device

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realise it's a podcast feed and we'll open it there.

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We'll let you know once it's available.

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We'll be back exactly a week from now with the next episode, which

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I'm not going to give you the title of because potential

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spoilers.

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Make sure that you also check out Flight through Entirety at

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FlightthroughEntirety.com.

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And that's really what I have to say.

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Should I say thank you very much for listening and good night.

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Yes Okay.

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Good night.

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Bye.

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Good night.

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I don't think any of us even said the ghost monument, you know.

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Could I?

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Whoops.