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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody and Terra, the only

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Doctor Who flash cast where all of the gay characters are still

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alive by the end of the episode, unless something deeply tragic

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and unexpected happens in the next 20 minutes.

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I am Nathan.

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I'm Brendan.

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I'm Todd, and I'm Peter.

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So we have watched Praxius this week.

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And so we are here to tell you what we think of it, and so we will

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start in the usual way with a little quick trip round the horn to

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ask people basically how they felt the episode went.

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Let's start with Pisa.

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Hmm, well, it was co-credited, but I can't believe that there was

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too, too much of old Chris in that episode.

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It was too fresh to kind of light on its feet.

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Um, I did perhaps feel his cold dead hand and less subtlety of the

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lesson of the week, but um, you know, I really liked using our

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plastic contamination of the planet.

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That is a great doctor who set up and it gave me all the green

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death feels.

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So yeah, thumbs up.

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Brilliant.

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Todd?

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I liked it, I didn't love it.

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Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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Do you want to go into that in more detail when we discussed

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individual things or was there something in particular that stood

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out for you?

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I thought the companions were used well, and I liked the guest

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cast.

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Yeah, yep.

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I think they were both strong.

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What about you, Brendan?

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Um, look, this is another one I really enjoyed and I feel like, um

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Nicola Tesla's Night of Terror and Spy Fall.

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This level of quality feels like our new normal, and I'm okay with

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that.

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Yeah, I have to say that sometimes I feel like I'm grading these

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episodes on a curve a bit, to be completely honest, but I don't

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feel that here.

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I was really very, very impressed with this episode.

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I thought it was great.

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And, you know, like I thought last week was great, but it cheated

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a little bit with the sort of, here's a new doctor reveal, whereas

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this one, you know, I was just sort of unreservedly impressed by, I

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think.

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So let's start with what for me was the biggest deal, which is

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that we've finally kind of done something about gay male

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representation in Doctor Who.

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Everyone assumes there are lots of gays in Doctor Who, but there

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aren't really.

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And, you know, usually about half of them are dead.

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I was trying to think of who's been gay in Doctor Who before and

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the list is not long.

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Do you know why I think people assume that there's a lot of gays

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in Doctor Who?

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Because Russell wrote it?

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Yes.

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And because Russell was such a big present and so kind of effusive

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and such a good spokesman for the show, people assume there's been

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more gay characters than they have been because it was just

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Russell being lovely on our TV all the time.

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Yeah, and you remember that there were no gay characters in series

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5 and people critiqued Stephen Moffatt for that.

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And then he brought in the fat one and the thin one, which I just

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think was really terrible.

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But here, I don't think the word gay is used.

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Is the word gay used?

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There's no things about coming out.

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It's a little bit like the relationship in sort of resolution or

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something.

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Is there a relationship in resolution or did I dream that?

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Well, there's there's a budding relationship in resolution.

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So and it's just a marriage.

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It's just people who are married, there's nothing about coming

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out.

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There's nothing about, you know, enduring homophobia.

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They are just 2 people who are in love and the that romance is

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super central to it.

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Like Jody says, you know, she's a romantic and Graham was lovely

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with them, you know, the whole thing I just thought was terrific.

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And on that, on that thing of, it's not a declarative thing that

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they're gay.

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It's just a fact of the plot.

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As well as that Pete McTyre and Chris Chipnell have chosen to give

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these 2 Professions which stereotypically little boys look up to.

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Yeah, okay.

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Astronaut, astronauts and police officers.

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And especially if you if you look at the UK, Police are more

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highly regarded by the public, shall we say?

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And and so, you know, when we hear he's a police officer. but also

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seems to be a bit overzealous, but his overzealousness is tackling

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people.

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It's not, you know, getting aggressive and whatnot.

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And we find out through the course of the thing that actually

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that's part of the reason for his fall from grace, as it were, is

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the problems in his marriage, which he is able to say in this

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actually, a lot of it is coming from my end.

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And I particularly loved between those 2 characters, the

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acknowledgement of the prestige imbalance, if you like, of an

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astronaut who goes into space and a police officer who is

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currently on sabbatical and working security in a supermarket.

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Well, I mean, I kind of got the impression that he was just

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working at a supermarket and but that he was just a bit of an

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asshole and he sort of, you know, tackled children and stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, because he seemed like such a loser in that 1st

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episode with lovely old Joyce, you know, giving him the flick, you

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know, not charging the kid, but making him sort of go for a walk.

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He got to be a loser, the relationship got to be a bit kind of

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rocky.

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Um, and Graham doing marriage counselling.

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It was just tremendous.

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It was a lovely moment for him, this episode.

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And, yeah, no, I thought that was, you know, I mean, that was

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Graham's moment and it was lovely to give that to him.

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There was some, there was some subtlety for Graham this week.

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Normally, the subtlety comes out of his performance, but he was

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given some in this episode.

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It's beautiful, that scene, isn't it?

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Where, you know, do you know what it's like to be married to

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someone who's much more impressive than you?

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And I watched it again last night and Graham's reaction.

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Do you know what I mean?

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There's no way that that's not intentional and it's just nice to

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have some subtext for a change, I think.

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You know, Pete writes Yaz differently from normal as well.

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Or should I say he writes her?

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She's some, she's sarkia.

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She's more independent.

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She's given a character.

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I mean, Mandip can bring it.

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So helper.

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Yeah, yeah. was really good.

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And in fact, you know, splitting the actors up, someone suggested

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that there was a production reason for it.

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It's a little bit like having a double banked episode where, you

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know, you need everyone for a bit less time because everyone's

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doing things separately.

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But I thought it just worked really well because it just gave

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everyone room to do something.

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Yeah, I enjoy these globetrotting stories.

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Um, uh, Spiteful.

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Oh, sorry, Spyeful, Spyful, Spyeful.

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I did well because of that.

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And you know what, the production is leaning into it.

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The series has looked fuller and more produced this year compared

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to last year's kind of vacant sparseness of Mise en Sen.

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But you know the one episode last year that didn't have that

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problem?

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Kblam.

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look better than it ever has.

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And I just thought that was sort of, that was really fantastic, you

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know, really something.

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Yeah, and proper funny jokes as well.

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Like, um, uh, the humour hasn't always been kind of as deaf as

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this in the last couple of years, and there are some real sort of

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genuine, funny lines.

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I do love the moment where Graham tells Jake what a catch he is

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you know, and Jake kind of laughs and realises actually, yes, you

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know, maybe this is all largely my fault.

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It's so great.

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So great.

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Graham even nails the stupid holding the device upside down kind

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of choke, which is really stupid, but because it's done by Graham

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you know, because it's done by Bradley Walsh, it just lands.

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It's absolutely perfect Yeah.

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And I think the other thing that helps that scene, it's a little

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thing in that is that it's a red dwarf joke.

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It's absolutely a red dwarf joke and usually what would happen is

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Graham would finish the line, then Yaz would pick up the thing

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stare at it, and put it back down again.

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Yaz doesn't even wait for him to finish talking.

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And when he resumes the line.

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He does it with the exact identical intonation as he did it the

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As if it had never happened.

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Nice moment.

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Yeah, Graham has been a bit too much used for obvious comic relief

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for me a bit this year.

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So it was nice, 1st of all, to have his comedy a bit more

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underplayed this episode and to give him that dramatic moment we

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were talking about earlier with Jake.

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I was really glad to see that because Bradley Bradley Walsh.

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I mean, he can do the broad and he can do the subtle, but when

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he's when he's doing the broad, you kind of want to just say, okay

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bring it down a bit, mate.

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When he's doing the subtle, it's like, no, actually I really like

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you and I want to go on adventures with you.

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And I think Towson had a lot to do this week as well.

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And um, I thought he was, uh, you know, he was great in that very

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1st scene of his with with Gabrielle, where he kind of gets to be

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the guy in charge.

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world by bringing the bird is actually really lovely as well.

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But also talking to her in the TARDIS and I thought that was a

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nice moment again from him and I was really impressed by her

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really enjoyed her character.

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Do you know I liked the Tartar set this week?

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Yeah, say that again, Nathan.

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You can't quite believe it.

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I actually really like the darkness of it with the glowing and the

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you know, the practical light on everyone's faces and stuff.

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And, you know, they're kind of, they've got this sort of big

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problem of these sort of, um, uh, you know, big pillars kind of

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occluding the view of the uh, of the console.

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So they're kind of doing things outside that sort of circle and I

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think it just, I think it looks good.

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I'm liking it.

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Sorry. weird.

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So I've just got a message from Richard saying that he thought

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that the, that it was nice that the plot was, uh, was complex.

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You know, he texted us earlier about all the gays surviving, but

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he thought that the plot was just sort of good and sort of complex

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because it is a bit of a puzzle.

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It's not a Moffat style puzzle, but it is these weird things are

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happening.

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How can they possibly be linked?

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And I think that that the answer to that is actually pretty

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satisfying.

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Yeah, the episodes, um, in, I think in the in the Chibnal era tend

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not to be adventurous in their storytelling. and this was fuller.

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It had more to it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So are we cross about another environmental message?

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so soon after the previous one?

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This one's competent.

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The words out of my mouth.

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So, I, you know, I have been urged Brendan to, to reinforce to you

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that Orphan 55 is a camp classic, and we'll be all talking about

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it in 10 years' time.

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And I like the way that message was told, even though, you know, it

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was sort of fighting the rest of the episode.

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Here I thought what was interesting about the message is.

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It was kind of a message about plastic, but it wasn't, you know, it

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wasn't metaphorical or it wasn't the plastic itself that was the

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thread or anything like that.

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It was just a thing that was happening against a background of the

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way that we filled the biosphere with plastic.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And we learned more about it and all of that sort of thing, but it

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wasn't sort of science fictionalised.

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It's just a feature of the world that we live in.

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Yeah, and it wasn't.

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These microplastics are out there and Doctor Who is going to fix

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that.

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It was, these microplastics are out there.

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Owen, we've got that alien threat.

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But hey, you at home, how about you think about the fact that

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these plastics are out there while we go off and deal with this?

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Yeah.

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I thought that was, you know, that was a nice subtle thing that

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you get to the end of the episode and you're like, yeah, Doctor

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Who saved us from the disease.

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Sorry, the pathogen, I should say.

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But hold on, there's there's still these big bergs of plastic in

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the middle of the ocean.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, 5 of them.

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They use the word gyre.

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You know, I'd heard of that, but I didn't know that they were like

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they had names and stuff like that and we all knew where they

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were.

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And I don't think I really knew that we were kind of full of

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microplastics.

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Yeah, the thing is, though, we didn't have a 2 minute explanation

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of what a gyre was, so I'm afraid that moment just didn't land for

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me.

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I still think the plot.

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So this plot was so complicated that it did require maybe a bit

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too much exposition, but there was like, you know, Jody was

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playing it so well and there was enough action that I thought it

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you know, could get away with it.

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So, Todd, I'm I'm curious to know what the things you weren't

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satisfied about were because there's 2 particular things I wasn't

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satisfied about and I want to see if we've got a bingo.

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Oh.

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Um.

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I didn't particularly like a lot of the explanationary scenes.

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Um, I just didn't feel feel that, um, Jody's voice was in the

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right in there and, um, there were some, There was only, it might

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have been at 4 or 5 lines in those scenes where I just felt it was

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hitting like when you play the piano and you hit the wrong note or

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it's out of tune and and it felt a bit like last season with her

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trying to be funny or or trying to explain what she's doing.

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And I think that's probably Chris Chibnall sawdust coming into

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those scenes.

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And the fact that our composer doesn't underscore them like Murray

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Gold means they have to stand or fall on their own merits.

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And so those scenes I really did struggle with.

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I watched it twice and the 1st time through, I really did struggle

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with the episode quite a bit, but I enjoyed it much more the 2nd

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time through.

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Um, Oh, look.

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My few minor quibbles were the fact that, yes, we're going to set

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it up and a tent in a rubbish tip and sleep there overnight

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because like, you know, the stench wouldn't get to you.

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That's one of the things.

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There were flies everywhere.

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I'm sorry.

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Nobody in their right mind would do that.

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Secondly, um, then the poor guy on the beach who got eaten by the

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birds.

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Well, let's not even mention him.

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And the other thing was, um, Oh, what was the other one?

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Oh, yes, I'm in space and I've got my mobile phone and they've

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captured me, but I've still got time to text my location.

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I kind of went, really?

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So they were my little quibbles. with the episode.

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Hmm.

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What about you, Brendan?

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Well, the thing is, the whole explanation of the pathogen.

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I just thought was really poorly written because instead of Ryan

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saying, is it bad?

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I don't know what that is.

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He could try and take a guess, he could try and say, is that like

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a virus or is that different from a virus?

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You know, instead both he, just for that scene, both he and Graham

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are written as idiots.

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So the doctor can explain this.

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And, um, a friend, a friend of mine in the medical profession, he

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his specialism is not virology or anything like that, but he's

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like, I don't think that's what, I don't think that's actually a

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good explanation of what a pathogen is, so to go to all that

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trouble.

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But yeah, Todd, my other big thing was Paul Arabu.

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Yeah.

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One, he does the horror movie thing of, well, I could stand next

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to this door and watch these birds so that if anything bad happens

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I can run inside.

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But not only that, he's like, I'm just going to get closer to

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these things which are acting aggressively and weirdly.

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Did anybody, did anybody get the, um, animatronic cat vibe from

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survivor with the birds sitting up watching them?

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I love that.

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I love that book because it was weird looking.

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Like it looked like it had eaten a whole bunch of plastic. did not

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look well.

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I don't look like an animatronic.

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Sure it was.

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I thought those bird effects were entirely too good.

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Speaking of the green death, I thought we could have had back that

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flying insect or something.

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It looked like the pigeon from mongrels, if you've ever seen

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mongrels.

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It was a BBC show and a puppet.

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I did, Brent.

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I forget her name, but it looks like that pigeon.

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Brilliant.

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Yeah, and bloody, bloody Gabriella's like, oh, no, my friend is

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dead, but hey, time machine.

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Awesome.

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And hey, at the end, I'm just going to go off and blog with 2 new

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people, forget about my poor friend.

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I actually am not sure that criticism's entirely fair because I

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did see it quite a lot over the last couple of days.

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And the episode spends quite a bit of time on a Gabrielle's

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reaction to Jamilla's death, including that scene in the Tardis

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with Ryan and her being sort of angry and wanting to beat

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something up in Hong Kong.

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And I'm reading that final scene as being some time after, you

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know, the previous scene where they've, you know, rung the

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European Space Agency and said, oh, you know, not dead and all of

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that sort of thing.

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So, like, it's Doctor Who.

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We, you know, think about Rose in the eponymous episode, Rose

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where Mickey is killed and she is perfectly fine with it and

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running hand in hand and laughing with the doctor, you know, mere

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minutes later.

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I think that, you know, death in Doctor Who needs to be given more

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weight than it was in the classic series.

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But I thought that sort of happened.

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I don't think she read as happy until that final scene.

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Actually, that's, you know what, that's a good comparison with

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Rose and Mickey.

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That's a good comparison.

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Yeah.

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Um, Something little I noticed in the final scene.

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Um, the jacket that Adam is wearing. actually seems to be Ryan's

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from last series.

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And given how careful Ray Holman is, I do have to wonder if the

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implication is Ryan has given him that jacket, so he's got some

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clothes to go home in.

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That's quite nice.

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Yeah, I don't know why they dropped them off in Madagascar apart

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from the fact that it's a very pretty location.

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I guess it's for Jake and Adam's honeymoon.

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Can we talk about that?

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Can, you know, can we talk about the ending?

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Who thought they were killing Jake?

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Todd?

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Um, I thought one of them was going to die one way or the other

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and then when we had the survival, I thought, oh, no, they're both

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going to live and then when he went up into the ship, I thought, oh

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okay, we are.

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So, yeah.

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No, it was, yeah, look, I'm glad they both survived.

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Did you think they were going to die?

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Did you think either of them was going to die, Peter?

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Um, I didn't actually, because um, I didn't think that the writer

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would do that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think that's probably fair.

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I had a little moment.

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Did you, Brendan?

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Were you ever...

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Oh, absolutely.

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I was convinced, 1st of all, when the doctor has some line about

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ooh, the autopilot, the autopilot should work.

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I thought, well, okay, well the astronaut's going to run in

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there.

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But of course, Pete or Pete and or Chris very carefully put in the

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line where Jake's like, this is actually really simple.

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Like your job is easy.

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Um, so he runs in and does it.

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That has a character.

431
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That has a character purpose, doesn't it?

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He's been intimidated by Adam all this time and then he just

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discovers that all he's been doing is pressing up down left and

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right all this time.

435
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Yeah, yeah.

436
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I was just going to say, look, has every, has everyone on the call

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seen the midseason trailer?

438
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No.

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Yes.

440
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Okay, I won't, there's a moment in that, which I thought came from

441
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this scene, which I thought meant that Jake was going to die.

442
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Ah okay.

443
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And the thing is, I have to say, the direction in that bit by

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Jamie Magnus Stone really leads us to believe that the doctor is

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not going to make it.

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And then it's just a very subtle, like, because we've got an

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extreme close up of Jake's face.

448
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The actual materialisation is so well done.

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And, of course, has led half of Twitter to say, well, why don't

450
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you rescue Adric?

451
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And it's just like, it's stupid.

452
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Well, no, it's obvious he just couldn't be asked, you know

453
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like...

454
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But also, I drinks not half of a hot gay couple.

455
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That's my client.

456
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But, you know, it's just like, it's kind of like if the doctor

457
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doesn't rescue people, fans get annoyed.

458
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Like, 0 no, you know, the doctor's been neutered and they're not

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doing things and da da da.

460
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And then when the doctor does rescue someone, inevitably, someone

461
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says, oh, Well, what about Adri?

462
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It's like, it was 1982.

463
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It was 1982.

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He couldn't fly the ship.

465
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It had been damaged by the cybercontroller people.

466
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Cyberleaguer.

467
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The ship was phasing in and out of time.

468
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It's all there in the script.

469
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Exactly.

470
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Yeah.

471
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And it's Eric Saywood, someone had to die.

472
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Yeah, clearly the doctor decided that Jake was an Ida, and Adrick

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was nude.

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That's it.

475
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That's it.

476
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Well, I was relieved.

477
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I think that was that was just fantastic and literally the best

478
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gay male representation we've ever had on the show.

479
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So maybe I'm adding a whole bunch of points for that reason.

480
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All right, well, I think we may wind it up there.

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Unless anyone has any urgent closing statements to make. liked

482
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it.

483
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Good.

484
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Excellent.

485
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That's kind of closing statement I like.

486
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All right.

487
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Well, in that case, we'll be back next week for an episode whose

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title I can't remember and that I know nearly nothing at all

489
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about.

490
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So it's bound to be incredibly good.

491
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Would you like to know the title?

492
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Uh, it's called Can Papa Can?

493
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Can you hear me?

494
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Papa, can you hear me?

495
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Papa, can you hear?

496
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Yeah, okay, good.

497
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What?

498
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Actually, anyone hear me?

499
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Yes.

500
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Yes.

501
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That's what it's called.

502
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Brilliant.

503
00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:48.299
Okay, so it's a sequel to Revenge of the Cyberman.

504
00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:48.960
Okay.

505
00:23:49.019 --> 00:23:49.680
All right.

506
00:23:50.099 --> 00:23:55.319
So, until next time, nutritionists recommend that a healthy diet

507
00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:59.339
should consist of no more than 50,000 microplastic particles a

508
00:23:59.339 --> 00:23:59.759
year.

509
00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:03.900
So best to lay off the after dinner pop final figures for now.

510
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:06.180
Thank you very much for listening and good night.

511
00:24:06.299 --> 00:24:07.859
Good night.

512
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:08.819
See you soon.

513
00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:09.779
Good night.

514
00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:18.000
God, have you forgotten how to do this?

515
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:22.559
No, no, it's just that I had a joke, so I was waiting for other

516
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people to go first.

517
00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:24.240
Oh, okay.

518
00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:27.480
Because my joke was, damn it, I'm halfway through eating John

519
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Hurt.

520
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:31.140
I can do it again.

521
00:24:31.259 --> 00:24:33.240
We'll just put that in my bag.