WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 12:49:27 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:09.720 Hello, dear listener, and welcome of of Jody of Terror, the only Doctor Who flash cast of no idea of the correct use of English prepositions. 2 00:00:09.779 --> 00:00:11.580 I'm Nathan. 3 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:13.740 I'm James I'm Todd. 4 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:15.480 And hello, everyone. 5 00:00:15.539 --> 00:00:19.980 I'm a lovely potpourri of RTD old storylines for this one. 6 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:23.039 But he only asked, don't I smell free? 7 00:00:23.100 --> 00:00:25.379 Don't I smell free? 8 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:26.579 Oh, exactly. 9 00:00:26.579 --> 00:00:28.019 And if his head am I wearing? 10 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:29.640 Yes, call me poop. 11 00:00:30.539 --> 00:00:37.020 So we're obviously there for talking about fugitive of the Jude. 12 00:00:37.020 --> 00:00:38.039 The brain of Morbius. 13 00:00:38.100 --> 00:00:39.659 Sorry, the brain of Morbius, yes. 14 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:41.640 I thought I'll be talking about, yes. 15 00:00:41.700 --> 00:00:49.859 Well, so let's just go round the round the horn and say very briefly what people thought of it, starting with Richard, I think. 16 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:51.600 Oh, is they? 17 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:56.100 Um, what a delight, and an excitement, and just like every sugar rush. 18 00:00:56.159 --> 00:01:03.479 What a, what an, what an interesting effect to the adrenal glands and, and my, my limp afterwards. 19 00:01:03.539 --> 00:01:03.960 Yeah. 20 00:01:04.019 --> 00:01:15.359 I just sort of feel that someone is doing everything you can to rescue whatever it is he's holding onto and I definitely think Auntie has said from on high in in Auntie Flavia's old throne. 21 00:01:15.420 --> 00:01:16.799 Listen, lovey. 22 00:01:16.859 --> 00:01:18.599 You didn't do that well last year. 23 00:01:18.659 --> 00:01:23.760 Why don't you just give us everything that's worked in the past, mix it all up and they won't even notice. 24 00:01:23.819 --> 00:01:34.680 I'm getting lots of lovely um 11th doctor vibe with the way it's shot and the pace and I'm getting lots of lovely next doctor, not that it's anyone's favourite, but it was a charming romp. 25 00:01:34.739 --> 00:01:40.319 And I'm getting lots of other lovely, delicious things all put together and it feels like I've got my face in a chocolate box. 26 00:01:40.379 --> 00:01:43.739 I think there's a bit of utopia in there for sure. 27 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:45.060 Hello. 28 00:01:45.060 --> 00:01:45.480 Yeah. 29 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:46.620 All right. 30 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:48.060 Todd. 31 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:52.079 I want you to imagine the great thing of Metabius. 32 00:01:52.140 --> 00:01:58.200 And I want you to imagine her discovering that there's one final blue crystal left. 33 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:08.039 And then the excitement builds as the blue crystal arrives, and then she goes into sort of a spasm at the whole thing getting slotted into its spinal position and the gloriousness of it. 34 00:02:08.099 --> 00:02:12.659 And then the brain is on fire at what the hell has just happened. 35 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:14.639 And that was my episode. 36 00:02:14.699 --> 00:02:16.080 Oh, that's lovely. 37 00:02:16.139 --> 00:02:18.120 And really scary image too. 38 00:02:19.620 --> 00:02:21.120 James. 39 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:24.900 Um, I really enjoyed it. 40 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:40.620 I, I would agree, and I think, um, actually, Peter made a similar point to you, Richard. on our group chat this week that, yeah, how refreshing it was to see the next doctor redone well. 41 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:42.240 Um, yeah. 42 00:02:42.300 --> 00:02:48.000 Because it is a, it's a very similar kind of kind of reveal, isn't it? 43 00:02:48.060 --> 00:02:48.840 Except. 44 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:55.259 It is actually the doctor as opposed to a a person who thinks they're the doctor. 45 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:58.560 Um, No, I I really enjoyed it. 46 00:02:58.620 --> 00:03:22.199 Um, I did not see it coming, um, which is, I think, impressive from this era of the show, which has struggled with doing things, like, and twists well, and, um, And I, look, I, I think she, she is fantastic. 47 00:03:22.259 --> 00:03:23.520 Jay Martin. 48 00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:24.419 Doc Martin. 49 00:03:24.419 --> 00:03:25.379 I'm sorry. 50 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:27.060 Doc Doc Martin. 51 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:28.379 Oh, I thought you meant Lee. 52 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:32.099 I was absolutely tragically struck to see the death of Susan this week. 53 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:36.780 Someone called him Romana, I think. 54 00:03:38.099 --> 00:03:48.719 So I'm just going to say that I agree with Richard in that this is all stuff that's been done before, including his, you know, previously unknown doctor. 55 00:03:48.780 --> 00:03:56.939 So she's the John Hearst of this week's episode, who even got it and introducing Joe Martin as the doctor in the closing credits. 56 00:03:57.180 --> 00:04:08.699 But like, I think stealing from episodes that are, you know, reasonably old is forgivable, and certainly when the result is as enjoyable as it is. 57 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:10.379 And it wasn't all stolen. 58 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:21.360 You know, like the big reveals on the big plot beats are all things that we've sort of seen before, but I think it produced something that was really just a very fun episode. 59 00:04:21.420 --> 00:04:25.860 Well before any of that sort of nonsense started to happen, actually. 60 00:04:25.980 --> 00:04:27.600 Oh, yes. 61 00:04:27.660 --> 00:04:28.019 Yeah. 62 00:04:28.019 --> 00:04:30.600 So in particular, I want to talk about the Jadoon. 63 00:04:30.660 --> 00:04:34.199 How did we find the Jadoon in their 2nd Doctor Who outing? 64 00:04:34.259 --> 00:04:35.579 Second? 65 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:37.319 Well, the 2nd proper one. 66 00:04:37.379 --> 00:04:41.160 Yeah, yeah. improved and believable, I would say. 67 00:04:41.220 --> 00:04:56.339 Actually, he had salience to the plot and, you know, helped the plot along rather than one of Russell's, as, as Nathan is fond of saying, animal head in a, in a, I'm sorry, what what scale of our podcast is this? 68 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:57.240 What rating do we have? 69 00:04:57.420 --> 00:04:59.939 We are swearing food. 70 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.519 In flexible suits, let's say. 71 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:06.839 Well, they've redone the animatronics on the hero, Jadune. 72 00:05:06.899 --> 00:05:08.579 It's much, much more expressive. 73 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:13.560 And you've got brilliant Nick Briggs doing the voice who is acting his socks off. 74 00:05:13.620 --> 00:05:24.240 And so like when Jody tells the Jadoon that she's disappointed in it, it does a little kind of sad face and like it does, it does some really, really fabulously funny reactions. 75 00:05:24.300 --> 00:05:26.519 So I thought they were great. 76 00:05:26.579 --> 00:05:30.779 You know, they have the same spaceships as before, only redesigned for HD. 77 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:35.279 I thought they were really good, you know, maybe even better than their 1st appearance. agree. 78 00:05:35.339 --> 00:05:36.300 What did you think, Todd? 79 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:49.019 Yeah, I was so excited and they were just as ruthless, you know, watching people, especially when they got rid of that old woman and Marcia and her knitting. 80 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:53.040 I did laugh my head off when the knitting, when I was a bit sad when she got killed. 81 00:05:53.100 --> 00:05:57.839 Like, I mean, she's 150% a better actor than that other wench we had a couple of weeks ago. 82 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:02.339 So no, I just... 83 00:06:02.339 --> 00:06:12.180 I was really like, I really, I thought they were great and I loved all the scenes they were in and I was excited up to that and then my excitement sort of went through the roof. 84 00:06:12.180 --> 00:06:13.800 Yeah, yeah. 85 00:06:13.860 --> 00:06:27.899 Even, that's what I think, even when the Jadoon were just in it, when it was just a silly midseason Jadoon romp, it was a really good, silly midseason Jadoon romp, but I was really enjoying it, I think, before it all kind of spiralled out of control. 86 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:28.860 Yes, yes. 87 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:37.379 I mean, I have to wonder, is, is this um, his master plan, like his torchwood master plan, have a really terrible 1st season and then start... 88 00:06:37.379 --> 00:06:44.759 No, and then start season quite solid and then all hell breaks loose mid-season and he's just going to stick the landing. 89 00:06:44.819 --> 00:06:45.660 We'll see. 90 00:06:45.779 --> 00:06:47.519 That could be, you know. 91 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:51.720 We haven't mentioned the jack in the box yet, have we? 92 00:06:51.779 --> 00:06:54.240 So that's what we'll move on to next. 93 00:06:54.300 --> 00:06:57.660 Were you happy to see Jack return, Richard? 94 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:01.379 Well, speaking of animatronic new heads. 95 00:07:01.500 --> 00:07:03.480 I'm fascinating. 96 00:07:03.540 --> 00:07:05.459 Fascinating to see that out. 97 00:07:05.459 --> 00:07:07.019 The mono. 98 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:12.180 Yeah, the monothematic palette of chocolate brown hair and latex head. 99 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:24.360 It was very much the Roger Moore school of brave acting, but, yes, he's always lovely in Doctor Who, like I've always said, he's, he's, Barriman is absolutely wonderful in Doctor Who, and foul in anything else. 100 00:07:24.420 --> 00:07:25.740 I've never seen him in. 101 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:28.740 No, I love him and Dr. and I hope we get another taste. 102 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.199 Uncle Chibers has said that's the last you'll see. 103 00:07:31.259 --> 00:07:33.600 So of course he'll be in every episode from now on. 104 00:07:33.899 --> 00:07:52.379 I think I think the statement that he says, oh, I'll see you later or I probably won't see you for a while, probably rules him out of this season, but I need to hear Andrew Allard speculate that maybe we'd see him in the New Year's special in 2021 if such a thing ends up happening. 105 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:56.699 I expect when we're talking about the timeless child that we might have just met him. 106 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:59.459 Ah, yes, that's entirely possible. 107 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:00.540 Possibly. 108 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:02.399 What did you think, James? 109 00:08:03.300 --> 00:08:05.759 About about Jack. 110 00:08:06.660 --> 00:08:09.660 There's a lot of Vaseline on that lens. 111 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:12.000 Oh, darling, not just on the loan. 112 00:08:13.500 --> 00:08:17.519 This is a G-rated podcast, Richard. 113 00:08:17.579 --> 00:08:19.560 I totally agree. 114 00:08:19.620 --> 00:08:28.139 I thought that some of his lines were a bit too, I don't know, we're trying to do RTD and perhaps not quite succeeding in a few things. 115 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:36.840 But his, but the voice coming in, I just sort of sat there going, 0 my goodness, like you're kidding me. 116 00:08:36.899 --> 00:08:37.200 No. 117 00:08:37.259 --> 00:08:44.460 Like, I mean, it was just like my jaw was like already half open going, they really have got him back and I was really excited when I saw him. 118 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:45.659 What was that? 119 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:51.539 I mean, he is basically there to distract the companion so that Jody can get on with the episode. 120 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:54.240 It is, you know, all one set. 121 00:08:54.299 --> 00:08:55.440 Nothing happens. 122 00:08:55.500 --> 00:08:58.799 It's a children in need sketch, you know, essentially. 123 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:06.960 But, you know, Chiba's broadest, you know, Jack in Torchwood. 124 00:09:07.019 --> 00:09:11.879 And so, you know, I'm happy to give him a go at Jack. 125 00:09:11.940 --> 00:09:14.460 And it is nice to see him after all of the easy years. 126 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:24.659 So it'll be fun to see him, but it was, it was all a little bit nothing, and it was very much, he is a completely inconsequential B plot. 127 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:34.980 And I have to say, like, I'm not a big fan of the, you know, why is he being enigmatic, you know, like, uh, the known cyberman don't give him what he what he wants. 128 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:37.019 Like, give us some details, man. 129 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:38.340 Why make a guess? 130 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:39.960 You clearly know something. 131 00:09:40.019 --> 00:09:46.919 It's like any science fiction cliche where they have these people say these things and then they disappear before they get to say everything. 132 00:09:46.980 --> 00:09:55.919 And so in the end they just say nothing at all and and it's, I mean, I didn't mind that, but I thought that's very cliched, you know, and I've seen it before. 133 00:09:55.980 --> 00:09:58.559 You know what you're describing, Todd, don't you? 134 00:09:58.620 --> 00:10:02.399 And I've just realised who Jack, I've just realised who Jack is. 135 00:10:02.460 --> 00:10:07.139 He's miss- he's the Mrs Chievely in any Oscar Wilde 2nd act. 136 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:14.580 He's the unwedded mother with the shameless past that comes in and stirs up the plot, but in the end everything goes back to normal by act 3. 137 00:10:14.700 --> 00:10:15.720 Yeah. 138 00:10:15.779 --> 00:10:20.820 I was kind of thinking that he's the lovely old woman on the Basin Planet of the Dead. 139 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:21.659 You know. 140 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:23.879 Oh, he probably is her too, you know. 141 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:27.059 He's not ageing great. 142 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:29.100 Yeah, he's ageing quite pouchually. 143 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:31.620 I mean, and very orange too. 144 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:32.879 So yeah, it's possible. 145 00:10:32.940 --> 00:10:38.580 Um, cool, or he's actually, he is actually just playing the face of bow now. 146 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:46.320 Yeah, popping up, popping up for 2 minutes in an episode, going, Yeah, you are not alone. 147 00:10:46.379 --> 00:10:50.279 That is textbook enigmatic, I guess, you know. 148 00:10:50.460 --> 00:10:55.919 And I thought he was in like the Rani's lab from Time in Iran, but anyway. 149 00:10:55.980 --> 00:10:57.179 Nice there. 150 00:10:57.179 --> 00:10:58.679 Apparently that's a church. 151 00:10:58.740 --> 00:11:00.240 Yeah, I saw that. 152 00:11:00.299 --> 00:11:04.080 And they had to map out an organ in the corner. 153 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:07.080 Yeah, and it's still there in the trailer. 154 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:13.679 So it was in the trailer and then they had, they matched it up by the time the episode was broadcast. 155 00:11:14.820 --> 00:11:18.659 I can see Jack flying around with a massive organ. 156 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:20.759 I have no problem with that. 157 00:11:20.820 --> 00:11:22.440 No, completely in character. 158 00:11:22.500 --> 00:11:28.860 All right, so let's talk about Dr. Martin or Doc Martin or Dr. Ruth? 159 00:11:29.220 --> 00:11:31.019 Doc Martin. 160 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:32.940 Did we notice that? 161 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:35.940 I love the costume, by the way. 162 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:47.639 I thought of you, Richard, because you, you don't like Jody's costume and I suspect that you had wanted her to wear something rather elegant, something like, you know, the 2nd Romana might have worn. 163 00:11:48.299 --> 00:11:53.580 And instead she's wearing the sort of charity shop thing, which, you know, like I don't kind of mind, but I totally get. 164 00:11:53.639 --> 00:12:01.919 And here comes the doctor wearing something, like you're not going to put that on to nip down to the shops or anything. 165 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:06.120 But it is a fabulous doctor-ish outfit and it just suits her perfectly. 166 00:12:06.179 --> 00:12:09.240 She's a proper piratical bucket. 167 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:21.779 Yeah, with some lovely nods to West African tribal art in the shirt and it's all quite beautifully made, but it also looks like every Fangirl dream of what, what she'd dress up if she were indeed the doctor. 168 00:12:21.899 --> 00:12:25.799 So yes, cosy wise, I think Peter might have already said it. 169 00:12:25.860 --> 00:12:28.860 No, Jody's outfit is really not helping me. 170 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:37.679 I'm actually having the same problems I had with Collins, and I'm surprised it's that much, but it just seems to, so many things are working against her performance. 171 00:12:37.740 --> 00:12:40.080 I think she definitely got it right this time. 172 00:12:40.139 --> 00:12:52.080 There was gravitas and positioning and there we say poise because she did, she, she was positioned on an edge and I could, and I could feel her strategising and her stress during it. 173 00:12:52.139 --> 00:12:53.039 It was very nicely played. 174 00:12:53.159 --> 00:13:00.360 Um, as to Joe Martin, I, I always like to, I've always felt that the doctor has always nailed the part. 175 00:13:00.419 --> 00:13:02.639 It's unfair to say you work your way into it. 176 00:13:02.700 --> 00:13:09.600 I think Colin was actually very strong in twin dilemma, so most of us didn't like it, but he was very much the doctor as he wanted to play it. 177 00:13:09.659 --> 00:13:12.059 So I'm fair to say he didn't have it right from seeing one. 178 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:29.460 I'd have to say, an apologies to Joe and maybe the director, but, and I know I'll get slammed for this because again, it's really easy to read performance values and standards as well with, you know, with everything else that comes into an episode, but it just didn't feel doctorly to me. 179 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:41.820 It was fun and buccanary, but it, and she was strong, but maybe the transformation from Ruth to the doctor wasn't great enough for me to register a change in character. 180 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:48.179 Oh, see, I feel quite differently from that because I feel that Ruth is so well established. 181 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:53.279 And, you know, you get those opening few minutes before, you know, she says goodbye to Lee. 182 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:56.399 That interaction is really fun, Susan. 183 00:13:56.460 --> 00:13:58.139 She's wonderful. 184 00:13:58.200 --> 00:13:59.460 She pats a little dog. 185 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:01.860 She says hello to Reggie, the swan. 186 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:04.379 You know, she's she's so sweet. 187 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:08.460 She gives that nerdy, fun fact about Gloucester cathedral. 188 00:14:08.700 --> 00:14:20.519 And then and then she's instantly, like, really quite, like, she's odd and doctory and stuff, but quite steely and cold. 189 00:14:20.580 --> 00:14:24.360 And you wonder, it makes you wonder what his experience, you know? 190 00:14:24.419 --> 00:14:33.659 And even the thing, like, oh, it's the doctor, she's toting a gun, and then you realise, no, no, no, you know, she would never shoot anyone with a gun. 191 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:35.940 She's still out. thing. 192 00:14:35.940 --> 00:14:37.559 Yeah, yeah. 193 00:14:37.620 --> 00:14:40.200 Yeah, and then sort of tricked someone. 194 00:14:40.259 --> 00:14:44.279 Yeah, but, but, you know, I did like that take in the doctor. 195 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:45.960 I totally on board with the glasses. 196 00:14:46.019 --> 00:14:49.379 I loved how the 2 of them interacted with one another. 197 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:59.340 And there's that snarky interaction about how she says she's too smart to use, the Sonic Screwdriver, and I'd love Jody's delivery of that line. 198 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:02.460 Nothing says smart, like a laser gun. 199 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:04.200 You know, like she was so great. 200 00:15:04.259 --> 00:15:06.659 The 2 of them, I thought, sparked beautifully. 201 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:07.500 What did you think, Todd? 202 00:15:08.100 --> 00:15:15.539 I sit somewhere between, I think, to both of you, as you know, I think Jody's doing much better this year. 203 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:27.240 I think she's got the, I think she's got the McCoy master plan where the 1st season where we don't really know what we're doing, but now we're more mysterious and snarky and moody and it's really working for her. 204 00:15:27.299 --> 00:15:32.519 And I thought her performance is great again, but the costume just works against her constantly. 205 00:15:32.580 --> 00:15:33.779 I agree with you, Richard. 206 00:15:33.899 --> 00:15:35.460 Dr. Ruth. 207 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:51.059 I just thought the whole, the moment the whole thing twisted with her being revealed as the, as the one they were after and then the moment the police box was in the sand and I'm going, my brain was just exploding. 208 00:15:51.120 --> 00:16:01.679 But I just thought she was phenomenal and she was the doctor for me in a way that Jody has not been the doctor, like it's taken Jody, you know, earlier. 209 00:16:01.740 --> 00:16:08.759 Whereas straight away, it was like, this is the woman. this is the doctor for me and I'm really hoping that it really does go somewhere. 210 00:16:09.419 --> 00:16:11.279 What about you, James? 211 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:21.899 Look, someone on Twitter today might have been one of our, one of our many fans. 212 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:35.279 The 2 of them. basically said that they wanted to see a series of the 2 of them flying around in time and says, oh, was it Colin Neal? 213 00:16:35.340 --> 00:16:41.039 Colin Neil wants them to alternate to do ones that one episode, eight, apiece? 214 00:16:41.100 --> 00:16:42.240 Um, yeah. 215 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:47.159 Occasionally, occasionally meet up to, to, um, throw shade at each other. 216 00:16:47.220 --> 00:16:48.779 That's what I was talking about. 217 00:16:49.019 --> 00:16:56.340 No, um, like I, I really enjoyed her portrayal. 218 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:07.680 I, the, all the questions that it's throwing up, which we're going to get to in a 2nd just, uh, it's exciting me in a way that Doctor Who hasn't for years. 219 00:17:07.740 --> 00:17:10.680 I mean, I've enjoyed Doctor Who. 220 00:17:10.740 --> 00:17:24.900 There have been moments which I've like had sort of famished glee over, but this is sort of firing my, what the hell is happening, kind of, instinct, and that's, and that is something I've really missed, and. 221 00:17:25.259 --> 00:17:31.559 It's, it's just so refreshing to to be good, wondering what the hell is going on. 222 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:36.059 Um, and I'm really looking forward to finding out. 223 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:40.019 I hope we find out a bit more before the end of the season, but we probably won't. 224 00:17:40.380 --> 00:17:41.880 All right. 225 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:48.359 Okay, so it's the last section of today's episode and we are getting our Adam Richard on. 226 00:17:48.420 --> 00:17:51.420 You all have a theory. 227 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:57.000 So what is your theory about who this doctor really is? 228 00:17:57.059 --> 00:17:58.740 I'm going to start with you, Todd. 229 00:17:59.160 --> 00:17:59.819 Oh. 230 00:17:59.819 --> 00:18:03.480 Well, I suspect it's going to be before Hart and all. 231 00:18:03.539 --> 00:18:06.299 And if that's the case, I will be very cheesed off. 232 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:09.240 And that's all I've got to say about that. 233 00:18:09.299 --> 00:18:11.940 I'm hoping it'll be something different and more cleverer than that. 234 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:13.440 Yeah, me too. 235 00:18:13.500 --> 00:18:14.640 What about you, Richard? 236 00:18:14.819 --> 00:18:36.599 Well, my 1st thought was time schisms and the alternate universe created by the master, perhaps, with the destruction of gallantry, but I like organic, um, seasonal plot threads, even though Moffat, you know, for, for all we, you know, he might, he might have, you know, achieved this more in the breach, as we say, but at least he aimed for them. 237 00:18:36.660 --> 00:18:41.339 And I, I, I want to see something that, that does all strand together. 238 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:46.259 It doesn't have to make logical sense, but I really don't want to see what I saw again last year. 239 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:47.880 I want something more a little bit more. 240 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:52.680 It doesn't have to be hugely epic, but just respectful to, to the threads that have been woven. 241 00:18:52.740 --> 00:18:58.380 So, again, yeah, so the fan rumour is pre-heartened, but that's just so linear. 242 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:01.259 It really doesn't do any of the work justice. 243 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:10.680 Um, I, I'd like, I'd like to be thoroughly surprised and whatever I come up with will be completely wrong because I was thoroughly surprised this week. 244 00:19:10.740 --> 00:19:12.180 So yes, let's hope they keep that up. 245 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:13.200 I agree. 246 00:19:13.259 --> 00:19:13.500 Cool. 247 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:15.059 And and and James? 248 00:19:15.420 --> 00:19:19.740 I'm sort of sitting on the fence between... 249 00:19:19.859 --> 00:19:25.140 Well, Chibnall's already said that it's not an alternate universe version of the character. 250 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:27.779 So, in the day... mirror to be fair. 251 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:32.819 Well, I mean, like, yes, credited in the jelly mirror, but I think that actually did come from somewhere. 252 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:34.799 And then been right before. 253 00:19:34.859 --> 00:19:35.339 So, yeah. 254 00:19:36.059 --> 00:19:38.279 Once or twice. 255 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:41.519 In their entire history. 256 00:19:41.579 --> 00:19:58.559 Um, I kind of like the idea that's floating around that it's, it's a season 6, B, or C, um, version of the doctor between Troughton and Pertwee? 257 00:19:58.619 --> 00:20:03.960 So that doesn't explain why she doesn't know what a sonic screwdriver is. 258 00:20:04.019 --> 00:20:04.920 Exactly. 259 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:21.420 Or that it's actually a doctor from far in the future who has lost her memory somehow, um, maybe in some sort of cataclysm, where she's saving Gallifrey from being destroyed. 260 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:33.839 Yes, well, we have previously said that we now expect Gallifrey to be regularly destroyed and reinstated from here on, in as the show moves from showrunner to showrunner. 261 00:20:33.900 --> 00:20:39.960 So maybe she lost her mind in the next destruction of Gallifrey or the next reinstatement of Gallifrey. 262 00:20:40.019 --> 00:20:42.000 Look, I don't buy. 263 00:20:42.059 --> 00:20:43.380 I don't buy the 6C thing. 264 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:44.940 I don't buy the pre-heartnal thing. 265 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.819 I think there are hints there and I think they're deliberate. 266 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:50.640 You know, Chibnell knows as much about Doctor Who as we do. 267 00:20:50.700 --> 00:20:56.279 So the TARDIS is a police box, so it's not pretty heartnal, and she doesn't know what a Sonic screwdriver is. 268 00:20:56.339 --> 00:20:59.220 There's no way that he would deliberately get that wrong. 269 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:01.859 So I'm going... 270 00:21:01.980 --> 00:21:08.339 I do think it is in some way associated with the master because I think this is the wrong master for this universe in a way. 271 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:19.500 He seems to be a sort of someone who's regenerated more or less directly from Anthony Ainley with his tissue compression eliminator or something like that. 272 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:26.460 He doesn't seem to have undergone any sort of missy like 2nd thoughts about being evil and that wasn't even mentioned. 273 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:35.519 I would like to think that it's all kind of, um, it's all, that the answer is somewhere in, in that character as well. 274 00:21:35.579 --> 00:21:37.980 But that's really all kind of I know. 275 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:42.779 All right, we might wind it up, but does anyone have any urgent closing statements? 276 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:51.420 Look, all I've got to say is that I was super excited by the whole thing and it's, it was one of, and like James, it was one of the most exciting episodes that I've seen in years. 277 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:59.579 And, you know, I loved so much of the Moffat stuff, but this was just, I just found it thrilling and my jaw just kept hitting the floor. 278 00:21:59.579 --> 00:22:02.279 And I thought, well, bring it on, bring it on. 279 00:22:02.339 --> 00:22:03.900 Yep, yep. 280 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:04.740 With you. 281 00:22:04.859 --> 00:22:11.819 Do you think, um, do you think that um, Susan would get a job at bathrooms for you, Richard. 282 00:22:13.140 --> 00:22:15.299 Plunges, aren't there? 283 00:22:16.500 --> 00:22:18.720 They would be very triggering. 284 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:22.140 I can just I can just imagine her. 285 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:31.200 Of course, we have to work out who all is Alan is, because he knows things that others don't know, although he disappeared very, very quickly. 286 00:22:31.259 --> 00:22:32.579 I'm hoping he wasn't Susan. 287 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:38.940 No, I think, I think we've, we've, we've probably, there'll be a spinoff at big finish anyway, so we'll all find out very quickly. 288 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:40.140 Yeah, sure. 289 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:40.859 All right. 290 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:41.700 Just say it 3 times. 291 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:42.779 All right. 292 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:44.339 So we might wind that up there. 293 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:55.019 So we'll be back next week, obviously, with the episode that was sort of very heavily kind of teased at the end of this episode. which is called cracks, yes. 294 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.000 I don't know how to pronounce it, but that's what it's called. 295 00:22:57.059 --> 00:23:00.359 And so we will be back the same time next week. 296 00:23:00.420 --> 00:23:04.200 Nathan, I do pitch any writer who has to follow this episode. 297 00:23:04.259 --> 00:23:06.660 Oh, it's Peter, though, here. 298 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:07.680 Yeah. 299 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:15.599 I just realised who Alan is with his big ears and his acidically iced cakes, his Yartec leader of the alien pool. 300 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:18.720 He'll be back. 301 00:23:18.779 --> 00:23:21.299 Hell be back when we find out who the Kassavanar anyway. 302 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:22.559 All right. 303 00:23:22.619 --> 00:23:35.700 So until next time, when you meet the parallel future mind-wiped alien clone alternative hyperspace quantum reality, Jackson Lake version of yourself, may they have a real appreciation for the way you dress. 304 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:38.339 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 305 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:39.240 Good night. 306 00:23:39.299 --> 00:23:41.279 See you of soon. 307 00:23:42.299 --> 00:23:44.160 Good vending.