WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-10 at 18:59:24 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.799 Hello, dear listener, and welcome of of Jody of Terror, the only 2 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:08.699 Doctor Who flash cast of no idea of the correct use of English 3 00:00:08.699 --> 00:00:09.720 prepositions. 4 00:00:09.779 --> 00:00:11.580 I'm Nathan. 5 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:13.740 I'm James I'm Todd. 6 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:15.480 And hello, everyone. 7 00:00:15.539 --> 00:00:19.980 I'm a lovely potpourri of RTD old storylines for this one. 8 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:23.039 But he only asked, don't I smell free? 9 00:00:23.100 --> 00:00:25.379 Don't I smell free? 10 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:26.579 Oh, exactly. 11 00:00:26.579 --> 00:00:28.019 And if his head am I wearing? 12 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:29.640 Yes, call me poop. 13 00:00:30.539 --> 00:00:37.020 So we're obviously there for talking about fugitive of the Jude. 14 00:00:37.020 --> 00:00:38.039 The brain of Morbius. 15 00:00:38.100 --> 00:00:39.659 Sorry, the brain of Morbius, yes. 16 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:41.640 I thought I'll be talking about, yes. 17 00:00:41.700 --> 00:00:46.740 Well, so let's just go round the round the horn and say very 18 00:00:46.740 --> 00:00:49.619 briefly what people thought of it, starting with Richard, I 19 00:00:49.619 --> 00:00:49.859 think. 20 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:51.600 Oh, is they? 21 00:00:51.600 --> 00:00:55.500 Um, what a delight, and an excitement, and just like every sugar 22 00:00:55.500 --> 00:00:56.100 rush. 23 00:00:56.159 --> 00:01:01.020 What a, what an, what an interesting effect to the adrenal glands 24 00:01:01.020 --> 00:01:03.479 and, and my, my limp afterwards. 25 00:01:03.539 --> 00:01:03.960 Yeah. 26 00:01:04.019 --> 00:01:07.560 I just sort of feel that someone is doing everything you can to 27 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:11.099 rescue whatever it is he's holding onto and I definitely think 28 00:01:11.099 --> 00:01:15.359 Auntie has said from on high in in Auntie Flavia's old throne. 29 00:01:15.420 --> 00:01:16.799 Listen, lovey. 30 00:01:16.859 --> 00:01:18.599 You didn't do that well last year. 31 00:01:18.659 --> 00:01:21.180 Why don't you just give us everything that's worked in the past 32 00:01:21.180 --> 00:01:23.760 mix it all up and they won't even notice. 33 00:01:23.819 --> 00:01:28.140 I'm getting lots of lovely um 11th doctor vibe with the way it's 34 00:01:28.140 --> 00:01:32.040 shot and the pace and I'm getting lots of lovely next doctor, not 35 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:34.680 that it's anyone's favourite, but it was a charming romp. 36 00:01:34.739 --> 00:01:37.620 And I'm getting lots of other lovely, delicious things all put 37 00:01:37.620 --> 00:01:40.319 together and it feels like I've got my face in a chocolate box. 38 00:01:40.379 --> 00:01:43.739 I think there's a bit of utopia in there for sure. 39 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:45.060 Hello. 40 00:01:45.060 --> 00:01:45.480 Yeah. 41 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:46.620 All right. 42 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:48.060 Todd. 43 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:52.079 I want you to imagine the great thing of Metabius. 44 00:01:52.140 --> 00:01:56.939 And I want you to imagine her discovering that there's one final 45 00:01:56.939 --> 00:01:58.200 blue crystal left. 46 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:01.980 And then the excitement builds as the blue crystal arrives, and 47 00:02:01.980 --> 00:02:05.040 then she goes into sort of a spasm at the whole thing getting 48 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:08.039 slotted into its spinal position and the gloriousness of it. 49 00:02:08.099 --> 00:02:12.659 And then the brain is on fire at what the hell has just happened. 50 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:14.639 And that was my episode. 51 00:02:14.699 --> 00:02:16.080 Oh, that's lovely. 52 00:02:16.139 --> 00:02:18.120 And really scary image too. 53 00:02:19.620 --> 00:02:21.120 James. 54 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:24.900 Um, I really enjoyed it. 55 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:29.219 I, I would agree, and I think, um, actually, Peter made a similar 56 00:02:29.219 --> 00:02:34.620 point to you, Richard. on our group chat this week that, yeah, how 57 00:02:34.620 --> 00:02:40.620 refreshing it was to see the next doctor redone well. 58 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:42.240 Um, yeah. 59 00:02:42.300 --> 00:02:47.759 Because it is a, it's a very similar kind of kind of reveal, isn't 60 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:48.000 it? 61 00:02:48.060 --> 00:02:48.840 Except. 62 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:54.479 It is actually the doctor as opposed to a a person who thinks 63 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:55.259 they're the doctor. 64 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:58.560 Um, No, I I really enjoyed it. 65 00:02:58.620 --> 00:03:06.479 Um, I did not see it coming, um, which is, I think, impressive 66 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:13.620 from this era of the show, which has struggled with doing things 67 00:03:13.620 --> 00:03:21.419 like, and twists well, and, um, And I, look, I, I think she, she 68 00:03:21.419 --> 00:03:22.199 is fantastic. 69 00:03:22.259 --> 00:03:23.520 Jay Martin. 70 00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:24.419 Doc Martin. 71 00:03:24.419 --> 00:03:25.379 I'm sorry. 72 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:27.060 Doc Doc Martin. 73 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:28.379 Oh, I thought you meant Lee. 74 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:31.919 I was absolutely tragically struck to see the death of Susan this 75 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:32.099 week. 76 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:36.780 Someone called him Romana, I think. 77 00:03:38.099 --> 00:03:43.800 So I'm just going to say that I agree with Richard in that this is 78 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:47.340 all stuff that's been done before, including his, you know 79 00:03:47.340 --> 00:03:48.719 previously unknown doctor. 80 00:03:48.780 --> 00:03:53.639 So she's the John Hearst of this week's episode, who even got it 81 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:56.939 and introducing Joe Martin as the doctor in the closing credits. 82 00:03:57.180 --> 00:04:03.479 But like, I think stealing from episodes that are, you know 83 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:07.500 reasonably old is forgivable, and certainly when the result is as 84 00:04:07.500 --> 00:04:08.699 enjoyable as it is. 85 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:10.379 And it wasn't all stolen. 86 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:14.759 You know, like the big reveals on the big plot beats are all 87 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:18.300 things that we've sort of seen before, but I think it produced 88 00:04:18.300 --> 00:04:21.360 something that was really just a very fun episode. 89 00:04:21.420 --> 00:04:25.680 Well before any of that sort of nonsense started to happen 90 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:25.860 actually. 91 00:04:25.980 --> 00:04:27.600 Oh, yes. 92 00:04:27.660 --> 00:04:28.019 Yeah. 93 00:04:28.019 --> 00:04:30.600 So in particular, I want to talk about the Jadoon. 94 00:04:30.660 --> 00:04:34.199 How did we find the Jadoon in their 2nd Doctor Who outing? 95 00:04:34.259 --> 00:04:35.579 Second? 96 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:37.319 Well, the 2nd proper one. 97 00:04:37.379 --> 00:04:41.160 Yeah, yeah. improved and believable, I would say. 98 00:04:41.220 --> 00:04:46.800 Actually, he had salience to the plot and, you know, helped the 99 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:50.579 plot along rather than one of Russell's, as, as Nathan is fond of 100 00:04:50.579 --> 00:04:55.500 saying, animal head in a, in a, I'm sorry, what what scale of our 101 00:04:55.500 --> 00:04:56.339 podcast is this? 102 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:57.240 What rating do we have? 103 00:04:57.420 --> 00:04:59.939 We are swearing food. 104 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.519 In flexible suits, let's say. 105 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:06.839 Well, they've redone the animatronics on the hero, Jadune. 106 00:05:06.899 --> 00:05:08.579 It's much, much more expressive. 107 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:12.600 And you've got brilliant Nick Briggs doing the voice who is acting 108 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:13.560 his socks off. 109 00:05:13.620 --> 00:05:16.980 And so like when Jody tells the Jadoon that she's disappointed in 110 00:05:16.980 --> 00:05:21.360 it, it does a little kind of sad face and like it does, it does 111 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:24.240 some really, really fabulously funny reactions. 112 00:05:24.300 --> 00:05:26.519 So I thought they were great. 113 00:05:26.579 --> 00:05:29.819 You know, they have the same spaceships as before, only redesigned 114 00:05:29.819 --> 00:05:30.779 for HD. 115 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:33.779 I thought they were really good, you know, maybe even better than 116 00:05:33.779 --> 00:05:35.279 their 1st appearance. agree. 117 00:05:35.339 --> 00:05:36.300 What did you think, Todd? 118 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:42.360 Yeah, I was so excited and they were just as ruthless, you know 119 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:45.240 watching people, especially when they got rid of that old woman 120 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:49.019 and Marcia and her knitting. 121 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:51.839 I did laugh my head off when the knitting, when I was a bit sad 122 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:53.040 when she got killed. 123 00:05:53.100 --> 00:05:57.180 Like, I mean, she's 150% a better actor than that other wench we 124 00:05:57.180 --> 00:05:57.839 had a couple of weeks ago. 125 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:02.339 So no, I just... 126 00:06:02.339 --> 00:06:06.839 I was really like, I really, I thought they were great and I loved 127 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:10.560 all the scenes they were in and I was excited up to that and then 128 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:12.180 my excitement sort of went through the roof. 129 00:06:12.180 --> 00:06:13.800 Yeah, yeah. 130 00:06:13.860 --> 00:06:17.220 Even, that's what I think, even when the Jadoon were just in it 131 00:06:17.220 --> 00:06:20.040 when it was just a silly midseason Jadoon romp, it was a really 132 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:24.180 good, silly midseason Jadoon romp, but I was really enjoying it, I 133 00:06:24.180 --> 00:06:27.899 think, before it all kind of spiralled out of control. 134 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:28.860 Yes, yes. 135 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:32.759 I mean, I have to wonder, is, is this um, his master plan, like 136 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:36.360 his torchwood master plan, have a really terrible 1st season and 137 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:37.379 then start... 138 00:06:37.379 --> 00:06:41.699 No, and then start season quite solid and then all hell breaks 139 00:06:41.699 --> 00:06:44.759 loose mid-season and he's just going to stick the landing. 140 00:06:44.819 --> 00:06:45.660 We'll see. 141 00:06:45.779 --> 00:06:47.519 That could be, you know. 142 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:51.720 We haven't mentioned the jack in the box yet, have we? 143 00:06:51.779 --> 00:06:54.240 So that's what we'll move on to next. 144 00:06:54.300 --> 00:06:57.660 Were you happy to see Jack return, Richard? 145 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:01.379 Well, speaking of animatronic new heads. 146 00:07:01.500 --> 00:07:03.480 I'm fascinating. 147 00:07:03.540 --> 00:07:05.459 Fascinating to see that out. 148 00:07:05.459 --> 00:07:07.019 The mono. 149 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:11.699 Yeah, the monothematic palette of chocolate brown hair and latex 150 00:07:11.699 --> 00:07:12.180 head. 151 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:17.100 It was very much the Roger Moore school of brave acting, but, yes 152 00:07:17.100 --> 00:07:20.100 he's always lovely in Doctor Who, like I've always said, he's, he's 153 00:07:20.100 --> 00:07:23.819 Barriman is absolutely wonderful in Doctor Who, and foul in 154 00:07:23.819 --> 00:07:24.360 anything else. 155 00:07:24.420 --> 00:07:25.740 I've never seen him in. 156 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:28.740 No, I love him and Dr. and I hope we get another taste. 157 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.199 Uncle Chibers has said that's the last you'll see. 158 00:07:31.259 --> 00:07:33.600 So of course he'll be in every episode from now on. 159 00:07:33.899 --> 00:07:38.100 I think I think the statement that he says, oh, I'll see you later 160 00:07:38.100 --> 00:07:42.420 or I probably won't see you for a while, probably rules him out of 161 00:07:42.420 --> 00:07:47.399 this season, but I need to hear Andrew Allard speculate that maybe 162 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:51.540 we'd see him in the New Year's special in 2021 if such a thing 163 00:07:51.540 --> 00:07:52.379 ends up happening. 164 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:55.980 I expect when we're talking about the timeless child that we might 165 00:07:55.980 --> 00:07:56.699 have just met him. 166 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:59.459 Ah, yes, that's entirely possible. 167 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:00.540 Possibly. 168 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:02.399 What did you think, James? 169 00:08:03.300 --> 00:08:05.759 About about Jack. 170 00:08:06.660 --> 00:08:09.660 There's a lot of Vaseline on that lens. 171 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:12.000 Oh, darling, not just on the loan. 172 00:08:13.500 --> 00:08:17.519 This is a G-rated podcast, Richard. 173 00:08:17.579 --> 00:08:19.560 I totally agree. 174 00:08:19.620 --> 00:08:24.240 I thought that some of his lines were a bit too, I don't know 175 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:27.839 we're trying to do RTD and perhaps not quite succeeding in a few 176 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:28.139 things. 177 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:35.460 But his, but the voice coming in, I just sort of sat there going, 0 178 00:08:35.460 --> 00:08:36.840 my goodness, like you're kidding me. 179 00:08:36.899 --> 00:08:37.200 No. 180 00:08:37.259 --> 00:08:40.019 Like, I mean, it was just like my jaw was like already half open 181 00:08:40.019 --> 00:08:43.679 going, they really have got him back and I was really excited when 182 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:44.460 I saw him. 183 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:45.659 What was that? 184 00:08:45.720 --> 00:08:50.039 I mean, he is basically there to distract the companion so that 185 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:51.539 Jody can get on with the episode. 186 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:54.240 It is, you know, all one set. 187 00:08:54.299 --> 00:08:55.440 Nothing happens. 188 00:08:55.500 --> 00:08:58.799 It's a children in need sketch, you know, essentially. 189 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:06.960 But, you know, Chiba's broadest, you know, Jack in Torchwood. 190 00:09:07.019 --> 00:09:11.879 And so, you know, I'm happy to give him a go at Jack. 191 00:09:11.940 --> 00:09:14.460 And it is nice to see him after all of the easy years. 192 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:18.000 So it'll be fun to see him, but it was, it was all a little bit 193 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:23.820 nothing, and it was very much, he is a completely inconsequential 194 00:09:23.820 --> 00:09:24.659 B plot. 195 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.799 And I have to say, like, I'm not a big fan of the, you know, why 196 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:33.539 is he being enigmatic, you know, like, uh, the known cyberman 197 00:09:33.539 --> 00:09:34.980 don't give him what he what he wants. 198 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:37.019 Like, give us some details, man. 199 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:38.340 Why make a guess? 200 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:39.960 You clearly know something. 201 00:09:40.019 --> 00:09:43.080 It's like any science fiction cliche where they have these people 202 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:46.500 say these things and then they disappear before they get to say 203 00:09:46.500 --> 00:09:46.919 everything. 204 00:09:46.980 --> 00:09:51.899 And so in the end they just say nothing at all and and it's, I 205 00:09:51.899 --> 00:09:54.960 mean, I didn't mind that, but I thought that's very cliched, you 206 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:55.919 know, and I've seen it before. 207 00:09:55.980 --> 00:09:58.559 You know what you're describing, Todd, don't you? 208 00:09:58.620 --> 00:10:02.399 And I've just realised who Jack, I've just realised who Jack is. 209 00:10:02.460 --> 00:10:07.139 He's miss- he's the Mrs Chievely in any Oscar Wilde 2nd act. 210 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:10.980 He's the unwedded mother with the shameless past that comes in and 211 00:10:10.980 --> 00:10:13.679 stirs up the plot, but in the end everything goes back to normal 212 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:14.580 by act 3. 213 00:10:14.700 --> 00:10:15.720 Yeah. 214 00:10:15.779 --> 00:10:19.980 I was kind of thinking that he's the lovely old woman on the Basin 215 00:10:19.980 --> 00:10:20.820 Planet of the Dead. 216 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:21.659 You know. 217 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:23.879 Oh, he probably is her too, you know. 218 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:27.059 He's not ageing great. 219 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:29.100 Yeah, he's ageing quite pouchually. 220 00:10:29.159 --> 00:10:31.620 I mean, and very orange too. 221 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:32.879 So yeah, it's possible. 222 00:10:32.940 --> 00:10:37.799 Um, cool, or he's actually, he is actually just playing the face 223 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:38.580 of bow now. 224 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:43.259 Yeah, popping up, popping up for 2 minutes in an episode, going 225 00:10:45.059 --> 00:10:46.320 Yeah, you are not alone. 226 00:10:46.379 --> 00:10:50.279 That is textbook enigmatic, I guess, you know. 227 00:10:50.460 --> 00:10:55.559 And I thought he was in like the Rani's lab from Time in Iran, but 228 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:55.919 anyway. 229 00:10:55.980 --> 00:10:57.179 Nice there. 230 00:10:57.179 --> 00:10:58.679 Apparently that's a church. 231 00:10:58.740 --> 00:11:00.240 Yeah, I saw that. 232 00:11:00.299 --> 00:11:04.080 And they had to map out an organ in the corner. 233 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:07.080 Yeah, and it's still there in the trailer. 234 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:12.299 So it was in the trailer and then they had, they matched it up by 235 00:11:12.299 --> 00:11:13.679 the time the episode was broadcast. 236 00:11:14.820 --> 00:11:18.659 I can see Jack flying around with a massive organ. 237 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:20.759 I have no problem with that. 238 00:11:20.820 --> 00:11:22.440 No, completely in character. 239 00:11:22.500 --> 00:11:28.500 All right, so let's talk about Dr. Martin or Doc Martin or Dr 240 00:11:28.500 --> 00:11:28.860 Ruth? 241 00:11:29.220 --> 00:11:31.019 Doc Martin. 242 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:32.940 Did we notice that? 243 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:35.940 I love the costume, by the way. 244 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:39.899 I thought of you, Richard, because you, you don't like Jody's 245 00:11:39.899 --> 00:11:43.440 costume and I suspect that you had wanted her to wear something 246 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:47.159 rather elegant, something like, you know, the 2nd Romana might 247 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:47.639 have worn. 248 00:11:48.299 --> 00:11:51.360 And instead she's wearing the sort of charity shop thing, which 249 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:53.580 you know, like I don't kind of mind, but I totally get. 250 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:58.860 And here comes the doctor wearing something, like you're not going 251 00:11:58.860 --> 00:12:01.919 to put that on to nip down to the shops or anything. 252 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:05.820 But it is a fabulous doctor-ish outfit and it just suits her 253 00:12:05.820 --> 00:12:06.120 perfectly. 254 00:12:06.179 --> 00:12:09.240 She's a proper piratical bucket. 255 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:14.039 Yeah, with some lovely nods to West African tribal art in the 256 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.620 shirt and it's all quite beautifully made, but it also looks like 257 00:12:16.620 --> 00:12:20.820 every Fangirl dream of what, what she'd dress up if she were 258 00:12:20.820 --> 00:12:21.779 indeed the doctor. 259 00:12:21.899 --> 00:12:25.799 So yes, cosy wise, I think Peter might have already said it. 260 00:12:25.860 --> 00:12:28.860 No, Jody's outfit is really not helping me. 261 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:32.639 I'm actually having the same problems I had with Collins, and I'm 262 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:36.539 surprised it's that much, but it just seems to, so many things are 263 00:12:36.539 --> 00:12:37.679 working against her performance. 264 00:12:37.740 --> 00:12:40.080 I think she definitely got it right this time. 265 00:12:40.139 --> 00:12:45.240 There was gravitas and positioning and there we say poise because 266 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:49.559 she did, she, she was positioned on an edge and I could, and I 267 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:52.080 could feel her strategising and her stress during it. 268 00:12:52.139 --> 00:12:53.039 It was very nicely played. 269 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:58.559 Um, as to Joe Martin, I, I always like to, I've always felt that 270 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:00.360 the doctor has always nailed the part. 271 00:13:00.419 --> 00:13:02.639 It's unfair to say you work your way into it. 272 00:13:02.700 --> 00:13:05.879 I think Colin was actually very strong in twin dilemma, so most of 273 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.179 us didn't like it, but he was very much the doctor as he wanted to 274 00:13:09.179 --> 00:13:09.600 play it. 275 00:13:09.659 --> 00:13:12.059 So I'm fair to say he didn't have it right from seeing one. 276 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:15.779 I'd have to say, an apologies to Joe and maybe the director, but 277 00:13:15.779 --> 00:13:20.519 and I know I'll get slammed for this because again, it's really 278 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:25.139 easy to read performance values and standards as well with, you 279 00:13:25.139 --> 00:13:28.259 know, with everything else that comes into an episode, but it just 280 00:13:28.259 --> 00:13:29.460 didn't feel doctorly to me. 281 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:34.620 It was fun and buccanary, but it, and she was strong, but maybe 282 00:13:34.620 --> 00:13:38.519 the transformation from Ruth to the doctor wasn't great enough for 283 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:41.820 me to register a change in character. 284 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.139 Oh, see, I feel quite differently from that because I feel that 285 00:13:46.139 --> 00:13:48.179 Ruth is so well established. 286 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:52.080 And, you know, you get those opening few minutes before, you know 287 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:53.279 she says goodbye to Lee. 288 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:56.399 That interaction is really fun, Susan. 289 00:13:56.460 --> 00:13:58.139 She's wonderful. 290 00:13:58.200 --> 00:13:59.460 She pats a little dog. 291 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:01.860 She says hello to Reggie, the swan. 292 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:04.379 You know, she's she's so sweet. 293 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:08.460 She gives that nerdy, fun fact about Gloucester cathedral. 294 00:14:08.700 --> 00:14:14.759 And then and then she's instantly, like, really quite, like, she's 295 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:20.519 odd and doctory and stuff, but quite steely and cold. 296 00:14:20.580 --> 00:14:24.240 And you wonder, it makes you wonder what his experience, you 297 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:24.360 know? 298 00:14:24.419 --> 00:14:28.320 And even the thing, like, oh, it's the doctor, she's toting a gun 299 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:32.700 and then you realise, no, no, no, you know, she would never shoot 300 00:14:32.700 --> 00:14:33.659 anyone with a gun. 301 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:35.940 She's still out. thing. 302 00:14:35.940 --> 00:14:37.559 Yeah, yeah. 303 00:14:37.620 --> 00:14:40.200 Yeah, and then sort of tricked someone. 304 00:14:40.259 --> 00:14:44.279 Yeah, but, but, you know, I did like that take in the doctor. 305 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:45.960 I totally on board with the glasses. 306 00:14:46.019 --> 00:14:49.379 I loved how the 2 of them interacted with one another. 307 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:54.000 And there's that snarky interaction about how she says she's too 308 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:58.740 smart to use, the Sonic Screwdriver, and I'd love Jody's delivery 309 00:14:58.740 --> 00:14:59.340 of that line. 310 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:02.460 Nothing says smart, like a laser gun. 311 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:04.200 You know, like she was so great. 312 00:15:04.259 --> 00:15:06.659 The 2 of them, I thought, sparked beautifully. 313 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:07.500 What did you think, Todd? 314 00:15:08.100 --> 00:15:14.100 I sit somewhere between, I think, to both of you, as you know, I 315 00:15:14.100 --> 00:15:15.539 think Jody's doing much better this year. 316 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:18.899 I think she's got the, I think she's got the McCoy master plan 317 00:15:18.899 --> 00:15:22.080 where the 1st season where we don't really know what we're doing 318 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:26.580 but now we're more mysterious and snarky and moody and it's really 319 00:15:26.580 --> 00:15:27.240 working for her. 320 00:15:27.299 --> 00:15:30.779 And I thought her performance is great again, but the costume just 321 00:15:30.779 --> 00:15:32.519 works against her constantly. 322 00:15:32.580 --> 00:15:33.779 I agree with you, Richard. 323 00:15:33.899 --> 00:15:35.460 Dr. Ruth. 324 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:39.899 I just thought the whole, the moment the whole thing twisted with 325 00:15:39.899 --> 00:15:45.360 her being revealed as the, as the one they were after and then the 326 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:50.279 moment the police box was in the sand and I'm going, my brain was 327 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:51.059 just exploding. 328 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:56.700 But I just thought she was phenomenal and she was the doctor for 329 00:15:56.700 --> 00:16:00.240 me in a way that Jody has not been the doctor, like it's taken 330 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:01.679 Jody, you know, earlier. 331 00:16:01.740 --> 00:16:05.759 Whereas straight away, it was like, this is the woman. this is the 332 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:08.460 doctor for me and I'm really hoping that it really does go 333 00:16:08.460 --> 00:16:08.759 somewhere. 334 00:16:09.419 --> 00:16:11.279 What about you, James? 335 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:20.460 Look, someone on Twitter today might have been one of our, one of 336 00:16:20.460 --> 00:16:21.899 our many fans. 337 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:31.500 The 2 of them. basically said that they wanted to see a series of 338 00:16:31.500 --> 00:16:34.919 the 2 of them flying around in time and says, oh, was it Colin 339 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:35.279 Neal? 340 00:16:35.340 --> 00:16:40.080 Colin Neil wants them to alternate to do ones that one episode 341 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:41.039 eight, apiece? 342 00:16:41.100 --> 00:16:42.240 Um, yeah. 343 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:46.919 Occasionally, occasionally meet up to, to, um, throw shade at each 344 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:47.159 other. 345 00:16:47.220 --> 00:16:48.779 That's what I was talking about. 346 00:16:49.019 --> 00:16:56.340 No, um, like I, I really enjoyed her portrayal. 347 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:01.080 I, the, all the questions that it's throwing up, which we're going 348 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:06.059 to get to in a 2nd just, uh, it's exciting me in a way that Doctor 349 00:17:06.059 --> 00:17:07.680 Who hasn't for years. 350 00:17:07.740 --> 00:17:10.680 I mean, I've enjoyed Doctor Who. 351 00:17:10.740 --> 00:17:14.279 There have been moments which I've like had sort of famished glee 352 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:19.200 over, but this is sort of firing my, what the hell is happening 353 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:23.759 kind of, instinct, and that's, and that is something I've really 354 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:24.900 missed, and. 355 00:17:25.259 --> 00:17:31.019 It's, it's just so refreshing to to be good, wondering what the 356 00:17:31.019 --> 00:17:31.559 hell is going on. 357 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:36.059 Um, and I'm really looking forward to finding out. 358 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:39.180 I hope we find out a bit more before the end of the season, but we 359 00:17:39.180 --> 00:17:40.019 probably won't. 360 00:17:40.380 --> 00:17:41.880 All right. 361 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:46.740 Okay, so it's the last section of today's episode and we are 362 00:17:46.740 --> 00:17:48.359 getting our Adam Richard on. 363 00:17:48.420 --> 00:17:51.420 You all have a theory. 364 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:57.000 So what is your theory about who this doctor really is? 365 00:17:57.059 --> 00:17:58.740 I'm going to start with you, Todd. 366 00:17:59.160 --> 00:17:59.819 Oh. 367 00:17:59.819 --> 00:18:03.480 Well, I suspect it's going to be before Hart and all. 368 00:18:03.539 --> 00:18:06.299 And if that's the case, I will be very cheesed off. 369 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:09.240 And that's all I've got to say about that. 370 00:18:09.299 --> 00:18:11.759 I'm hoping it'll be something different and more cleverer than 371 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:11.940 that. 372 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:13.440 Yeah, me too. 373 00:18:13.500 --> 00:18:14.640 What about you, Richard? 374 00:18:14.819 --> 00:18:19.920 Well, my 1st thought was time schisms and the alternate universe 375 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:23.519 created by the master, perhaps, with the destruction of gallantry 376 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:28.619 but I like organic, um, seasonal plot threads, even though Moffat 377 00:18:28.619 --> 00:18:32.099 you know, for, for all we, you know, he might, he might have, you 378 00:18:32.099 --> 00:18:35.880 know, achieved this more in the breach, as we say, but at least he 379 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:36.599 aimed for them. 380 00:18:36.660 --> 00:18:40.680 And I, I, I want to see something that, that does all strand 381 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:41.339 together. 382 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:44.640 It doesn't have to make logical sense, but I really don't want to 383 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:46.259 see what I saw again last year. 384 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:47.880 I want something more a little bit more. 385 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.480 It doesn't have to be hugely epic, but just respectful to, to the 386 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:52.680 threads that have been woven. 387 00:18:52.740 --> 00:18:57.480 So, again, yeah, so the fan rumour is pre-heartened, but that's 388 00:18:57.480 --> 00:18:58.380 just so linear. 389 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:01.259 It really doesn't do any of the work justice. 390 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:07.380 Um, I, I'd like, I'd like to be thoroughly surprised and whatever 391 00:19:07.380 --> 00:19:10.019 I come up with will be completely wrong because I was thoroughly 392 00:19:10.019 --> 00:19:10.680 surprised this week. 393 00:19:10.740 --> 00:19:12.180 So yes, let's hope they keep that up. 394 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:13.200 I agree. 395 00:19:13.259 --> 00:19:13.500 Cool. 396 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:15.059 And and and James? 397 00:19:15.420 --> 00:19:19.740 I'm sort of sitting on the fence between... 398 00:19:19.859 --> 00:19:24.299 Well, Chibnall's already said that it's not an alternate universe 399 00:19:24.299 --> 00:19:25.140 version of the character. 400 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:27.779 So, in the day... mirror to be fair. 401 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:31.500 Well, I mean, like, yes, credited in the jelly mirror, but I think 402 00:19:31.500 --> 00:19:32.819 that actually did come from somewhere. 403 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:34.799 And then been right before. 404 00:19:34.859 --> 00:19:35.339 So, yeah. 405 00:19:36.059 --> 00:19:38.279 Once or twice. 406 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:41.519 In their entire history. 407 00:19:41.579 --> 00:19:47.819 Um, I kind of like the idea that's floating around that it's, it's 408 00:19:47.819 --> 00:19:56.099 a season 6, B, or C, um, version of the doctor between Troughton 409 00:19:56.099 --> 00:19:58.559 and Pertwee? 410 00:19:58.619 --> 00:20:03.299 So that doesn't explain why she doesn't know what a sonic 411 00:20:03.299 --> 00:20:03.960 screwdriver is. 412 00:20:04.019 --> 00:20:04.920 Exactly. 413 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:11.160 Or that it's actually a doctor from far in the future who has lost 414 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:18.240 her memory somehow, um, maybe in some sort of cataclysm, where 415 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:21.420 she's saving Gallifrey from being destroyed. 416 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:25.559 Yes, well, we have previously said that we now expect Gallifrey to 417 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:32.039 be regularly destroyed and reinstated from here on, in as the show 418 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:33.839 moves from showrunner to showrunner. 419 00:20:33.900 --> 00:20:37.859 So maybe she lost her mind in the next destruction of Gallifrey or 420 00:20:37.859 --> 00:20:39.960 the next reinstatement of Gallifrey. 421 00:20:40.019 --> 00:20:42.000 Look, I don't buy. 422 00:20:42.059 --> 00:20:43.380 I don't buy the 6C thing. 423 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:44.940 I don't buy the pre-heartnal thing. 424 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.819 I think there are hints there and I think they're deliberate. 425 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:50.640 You know, Chibnell knows as much about Doctor Who as we do. 426 00:20:50.700 --> 00:20:54.119 So the TARDIS is a police box, so it's not pretty heartnal, and 427 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:56.279 she doesn't know what a Sonic screwdriver is. 428 00:20:56.339 --> 00:20:59.220 There's no way that he would deliberately get that wrong. 429 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:01.859 So I'm going... 430 00:21:01.980 --> 00:21:04.920 I do think it is in some way associated with the master because I 431 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:08.339 think this is the wrong master for this universe in a way. 432 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:12.779 He seems to be a sort of someone who's regenerated more or less 433 00:21:12.779 --> 00:21:18.180 directly from Anthony Ainley with his tissue compression 434 00:21:18.180 --> 00:21:19.500 eliminator or something like that. 435 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:23.339 He doesn't seem to have undergone any sort of missy like 2nd 436 00:21:23.339 --> 00:21:26.460 thoughts about being evil and that wasn't even mentioned. 437 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:31.799 I would like to think that it's all kind of, um, it's all, that 438 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:35.519 the answer is somewhere in, in that character as well. 439 00:21:35.579 --> 00:21:37.980 But that's really all kind of I know. 440 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:42.059 All right, we might wind it up, but does anyone have any urgent 441 00:21:42.059 --> 00:21:42.779 closing statements? 442 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:46.019 Look, all I've got to say is that I was super excited by the whole 443 00:21:46.019 --> 00:21:49.019 thing and it's, it was one of, and like James, it was one of the 444 00:21:49.019 --> 00:21:51.420 most exciting episodes that I've seen in years. 445 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:55.740 And, you know, I loved so much of the Moffat stuff, but this was 446 00:21:55.740 --> 00:21:59.339 just, I just found it thrilling and my jaw just kept hitting the 447 00:21:59.339 --> 00:21:59.579 floor. 448 00:21:59.579 --> 00:22:02.279 And I thought, well, bring it on, bring it on. 449 00:22:02.339 --> 00:22:03.900 Yep, yep. 450 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:04.740 With you. 451 00:22:04.859 --> 00:22:09.839 Do you think, um, do you think that um, Susan would get a job at 452 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:11.819 bathrooms for you, Richard. 453 00:22:13.140 --> 00:22:15.299 Plunges, aren't there? 454 00:22:16.500 --> 00:22:18.720 They would be very triggering. 455 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:22.140 I can just I can just imagine her. 456 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:27.599 Of course, we have to work out who all is Alan is, because he 457 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:30.839 knows things that others don't know, although he disappeared very 458 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:31.200 very quickly. 459 00:22:31.259 --> 00:22:32.579 I'm hoping he wasn't Susan. 460 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:36.240 No, I think, I think we've, we've, we've probably, there'll be a 461 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:38.940 spinoff at big finish anyway, so we'll all find out very quickly. 462 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:40.140 Yeah, sure. 463 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:40.859 All right. 464 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:41.700 Just say it 3 times. 465 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:42.779 All right. 466 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:44.339 So we might wind that up there. 467 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:49.980 So we'll be back next week, obviously, with the episode that was 468 00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:53.039 sort of very heavily kind of teased at the end of this episode 469 00:22:53.099 --> 00:22:55.019 which is called cracks, yes. 470 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.000 I don't know how to pronounce it, but that's what it's called. 471 00:22:57.059 --> 00:23:00.359 And so we will be back the same time next week. 472 00:23:00.420 --> 00:23:04.200 Nathan, I do pitch any writer who has to follow this episode. 473 00:23:04.259 --> 00:23:06.660 Oh, it's Peter, though, here. 474 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:07.680 Yeah. 475 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:12.480 I just realised who Alan is with his big ears and his acidically 476 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:15.599 iced cakes, his Yartec leader of the alien pool. 477 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:18.720 He'll be back. 478 00:23:18.779 --> 00:23:21.299 Hell be back when we find out who the Kassavanar anyway. 479 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:22.559 All right. 480 00:23:22.619 --> 00:23:27.660 So until next time, when you meet the parallel future mind-wiped 481 00:23:27.660 --> 00:23:31.200 alien clone alternative hyperspace quantum reality, Jackson Lake 482 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:35.039 version of yourself, may they have a real appreciation for the way 483 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:35.700 you dress. 484 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:38.339 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 485 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:39.240 Good night. 486 00:23:39.299 --> 00:23:41.279 See you of soon. 487 00:23:42.299 --> 00:23:44.160 Good vending.