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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody Interterterra, the

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only Doctor Who flash cast with an SI unit of measurement named

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after it.

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It's used by scientists to quantify tiresomeness.

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I'm Nathan.

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I'm James.

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And I'm Peter.

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Well, we are here mere days after having seen the latest episode

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of Doctor Who series 12, the superbly named Nicola Tesla's Night

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of Terror.

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How about Nicola Bryant's night of Jaffa?

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Nicolette Bryant's 18 months of constant torment.

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Um, and we're here to tell you what we thought of it.

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So let's do the traditional thing and go round the table.

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Peter, what did you think?

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Well, Nicola Terra's Knight of Tesla.

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I thought it was a fairly entertaining episode.

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Lots of colour. simply beautiful to look at.

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In fact, it reminded me a bit of Pete Harness's recent War of the

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Worlds, that same kind of aesthetic and the colour palette.

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Yeah, it was, it was...

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It was nice.

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Yaz had more to do than usual.

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It was nice to see Robert Glenister, old Salatine back then. wanted

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him to throw back his head and give that mad laugh.

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You know, like, ga, ga, ga.

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I missed the fringe.

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The fringe.

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And I don't know, the teeth seemed less overwhelming this time.

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I don't know.

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But space has grown to match.

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Yeah, that's true.

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And yet, and yet, I found, as with a lot of recent episodes, that

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the whole was somehow less than some of its parts.

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Um, all the elements were there for a strong episode, and, you

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know, it's kind of, um, to use that old phrase pseudo-historical

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story that I'm genetically disposed to enjoy from all those ABC

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repeats of the horrifying rock and stuff like that.

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But it never quite took off for me.

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Um, Yeah, the piece was frenetic, um, but I think the storytelling

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was glacial.

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Um, It sort of set out to educate, I think, and that's great.

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That's a positive goal, but I'm not sure there was a great deal to

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learn.

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I think you need a Robert Holmes or an RTD or, you know, dare I

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say, to Pip and Jane to add a bit of romp to these romps.

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You know, I actually thought that it did a really, really good job

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of the education thing, you know, that there's, well, we'll get

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back to it, but there's a lot to know about Tesla and Edison and

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their relationship that isn't sort of or hasn't really been widely

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known except in the last few decades.

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And so I kind of appreciated that.

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What did you think of it, James?

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Um, look, I would, I would probably say, I, I think I had a more

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positive reaction to it than Peter.

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I, I enjoyed it.

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I agreed the pace was Glacial?

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Um, It, though it did seem to be a bit more balanced, the pace was

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slow, but at least the pace, I guess, was better than last week.

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Um, of which I was not a huge fan.

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I...

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I don't know, like I also, I mean, having done a bit of background

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research about Tesla.

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I kind of wish that maybe made him a bit more rounded and truthful

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to who he was as a person.

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He was not the nicest of people.

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Um, he was a terrible misogynist and uh, a eugenicist.

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Yeah, I think maybe...

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Yeah, I don't know.

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Yeah, where do you draw the line for historical accuracy on his

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dog character?

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But, you know, they've done this person is a misogynist before.

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Um, they could have done this, this person is a comedy

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misogynist.

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At least that would maybe been a bit more truthful.

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I don't know how you shoehorn the eugenics into it.

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Um, But he had some pretty terrible, almost fascist views on, on

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uh, on humanity.

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So, hmm, yes.

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Did those kick in later or was that always a thing?

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Or is that what you just expect from a sort of weird ass white guy

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in 1900s America?

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Well, I mean, he, I guess he did come to the misogyny a bit later

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in life, but it came from the, it came from a, oh, those women

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coming over here stealing our jobs kind of mentality, which is

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delightful.

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Um, because some...

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Miss Garrett.

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Dorothy Skerritt was a real person.

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And like he never had any relationships, but he did like women.

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And, you know, like on a personal level.

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Anyway, look.

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I think I think, though, there was...

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Yeah, there was a lot to learn though. from that.

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And I thought, you know, for me, it was an episode that really

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relied on just one central guest star performance and he was

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really good, you know, Goran Business.

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Definitely he was.

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Yeah, you know, like and so the whole thing kind of wrote on that

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watching it for the 2nd time today, it actually takes quite a

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while before the doctor even turns up and he holds that, you know

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that those 1st few minutes of the episode really well.

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And I was kind of the lesson that you take Nathan from something

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like the Shakespeare code, when you have a celebrity historical

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you've got to have a celebrity at the heart of it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, you know, the reason that the Unquiet Dead works. as well as

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it does, is that you've got some, you know, lovely old Simon

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Callow there, you know, absolutely.

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And tooth and claw as well.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I agree with you, Peter though.

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I thought it looked incredibly good.

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Like, it looked really quite amazing.

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And the 2nd time, like I did the sort of quick, you know, look

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through Wikipedia and stuff like that.

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And there was actually a real effort to make things look the way

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that they did in a way that I don't really think is necessary for

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historical, but it's kind of a nice to have.

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Yeah, and we sort of got used to it, you know, in the modern era

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that the show just default looks brilliant, but it's rarely looked

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this good.

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And I mean, one of the problems with maybe last week's episode is

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that it was a bit patchy in its delivery.

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So it was nice to have a return to form.

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There were some weird design decisions, which I think were quite

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deliberate, like, but they were still weird last week.

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But, you know, one thing, like last year we had that very sort of

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prestige TV look to the show, which I thought went a bit too far

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and ended up looking a bit washed out and a little bit worthy and

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dull.

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They sort of leaned into their Sunday nightness.

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But they've really course corrected here.

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It still looks spectacular.

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It looks much more expensive than it did last year and it I think

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it looks great, you know.

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Oh, look, also, I mean, on that, um, you know, really good

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script.

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Uh, great to have another female writer.

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In fact, this is a Doctor Who first.

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It's not the 1st story to be directed and written by a woman.

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Enlightenment.

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Yes, Enlightenment is the 1st one.

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It is the 1st Doctor Who story where both the director and the

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writer were called Nina.

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Ha.

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So there you go.

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And I was listening to another podcast with Liz Miles on it, friend

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of the podcast, Liz Miles, and that podcast pointed out that it's

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the 1st episode where we see Canada.

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Oh yeah.

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I'm not sure you're right on that, Nathan.

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I think the horns of Nimon was written and directed by people

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called Nina, wasn't it?

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No, okay.

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That's Proctor Nieman.

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I think both of you.

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That's right, you make good points about this episode.

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And by no means did I dislike it.

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I thought it was pretty well done and pretty to look at.

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And by most sane measures, it was a bit of a step up from last

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It just kind of washed over me.

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Um, and like anything that washed so view was a bit wet.

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But I don't know if that was the episode's fault or maybe it was

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my reaction was at fault.

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I don't know.

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It was pretty solid.

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Yeah, I think there's a sort of simplicity to the show now, uh, and

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a sort of earnestness in its desire to kind of educate and and

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maybe to kind of set the historical record a bit straight.

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And I think those 2 things are very good.

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I can see that they're a reaction in a way to the Moffat era.

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There are no celebrity historicals, as Sandifer points out, in the

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Capoldi era, I think, at all.

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So, you know, it's sort of a new thing.

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It's a little bit less wacky than I normally like my Doctor Who.

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It's a little bit serious.

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And, you know, I still thought it was great, but it's not sort of

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up there among my absolute favourites, I think.

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Solid.

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Solid.

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Yeah, there's kind of a subdued tone, I think, to the Chris

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Chibnol era, and I think that's entirely by design.

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And I applaud it sometimes.

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I think something like demons of the Punjab works well because it

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pulls back rather than going over the top.

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And this story, I think, does work well.

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I'm struggling a little bit to explain my own reaction to it.

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Well, let me just segue.

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I mean, while we're talking about pulling back rather than going

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over the top.

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How did we think Angeli Indra went today?

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She's amazing.

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I mean she's so good.

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Apparently, Bradley Walsh did not recognise her.

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Yes, I heard that as well.

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Well, of course they guessed that.

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He guest star, didn't he?

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Yeah, her 1st episode.

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To be fair, she was under a lot of makeup.

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That's true And also a little known fact was that she only played

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the head and actually it was Tommy Knight playing the body.

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Okay, fake news.

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People said that she wasn't recognisable, but I thought that she

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was absolutely fabulously recognisable.

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Oh, yeah. as well.

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Well, and the other thing was her sort of South London accent as

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well.

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She was, you know, the Derek Deadman kind of school of alien

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accents and I was absolutely on board for it.

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It was just wonderful. absolutely.

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And I thought she was a worthy follow-up to the Empress of the

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Ragnar.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Todd thinks that she's a sort of, you know, bargain basement

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version, you know, for the Empress of the Rachnos, you know, her

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non-union Mexican equivalent. or something.

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But, but, but it's Sarah Parish, isn't it, that plays, is that

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right?

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Yes, Empress, yes.

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And she is doing a big, giant, ridiculous panto thing for people

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who are drunk and and, you know, falling asleep after sort of

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Christmas turkey.

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This wasn't quite that.

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But it was, it was big and it was, it was really fun.

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And I loved the scorpions.

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Yeah, me too.

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And also, um, what Todd was saying there, if there's an argument

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to be made for bargain basement, I think the emperor spent more

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time hanging around basements.

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Well, the Queen's got this great outfit.

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Like, if you look at it, like, there's a car tire on her shoulder

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and spikes and stuff like that, she's like properly humanoid and

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stuff and her, her, her outfit is made of bits and pieces of

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things much like her technology.

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I should think that...

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Maybe she wasn't scorpion like enough.

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Yeah, maybe you're right.

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Um, if they could have easily sort of handwaved that away as, you

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know, like her way of cloaking device or that she's the queen

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exactly.

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Um, But maybe at least have sort of, you know, maybe her a bit, a

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bit more like her.

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Her um, her subjects. is like that's the only criticism I have of

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that I thought she was brilliant.

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She's such a great actress and.

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Um, it was so lovely to see her back.

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It's so nice to see her really sort of, you know, having fun with

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a role because did you watch the bodyguard?

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She plays a pivotal role in the 1st and last episodes of that and

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it's a deadly serious role and she's superb at it.

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So just to see her kind of, you know, we know her from the Sarah

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Jane Adventures, where she was amazing, but it's fair to say there

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wasn't a huge range required, but it's so nice to see her as an

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actress now able to totally span that range.

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Well, so that was a decade ago.

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I guess it was, wasn't it?

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Yeah, she was better than she was a child.

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Well, she wasn't quite a child, but yeah, but she was a young up

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and coming actress.

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I think, you know, like she's she's come a long way.

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If you were a completely opposite, sort of, thing that she's been

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in recently.

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She was in the, the, not the current, but the most recent season

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of DC's legends of tomorrow as a, as a shape shifting punk.

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Oh wow.

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And she was just fantastic.

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She gives a devastating speech in one of the last few episodes of

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cucumber as well, where she kind of is really kind of horrible

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fantastic in that.

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So incredibly good.

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No, I'm, I think she's, like, I'm not surprised that Russell asked

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her back and I'm not surprised that she's really taken off because

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she's really something.

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She's just fantastic.

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Yeah, we would do the cucumber banana and tofu podcast.

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Oh, yeah.

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And I guess so the last thing that we have to talk about is how do

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we feel that regulars did this week?

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James.

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Somebody pointed out on Twitter to to one of us.

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I think it might have been you, uh, Nathan, uh, that.

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If you, uh, they edited out all of, you know, all of the

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companions lines and it didn't distract anything from the

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episode.

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Um because they, you know, all they really did was go, what's

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that?

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Oh, what's going on here, doctor?

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Like they didn't really have much to do.

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I didn't think that's true.

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I mean, I think that they were kind of interchangeable in a way

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but I think that I think that's what they were getting at.

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But I love that scene where Dorothy and Ryan talk about what it's

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like to be with Tesla and the doctor respectively.

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I thought that was really, really good.

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Oh, one of the best things.

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That is great, yes.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And, you know, both of them were great in it.

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I thought they gave Yaz a stack to do.

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And in fact, it was Graham this week.

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He was sort of reduced to dad jokes and stuff like that.

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And he got a few, like, you know, this era doesn't do humour, all

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that. well, I think.

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But he did get some really funny, some properly funny lines or

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silly lines in that.

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And there were just a one off few little comic touches that I saw

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him do that I just thought, yep, you're really a pro.

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You kind of know what you're doing.

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Well, that's that's the thing, like even...

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And it's one of the good things about having him on the show is

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that even when you don't give him much to do, he still shines

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because he's a bloody good actor and has great comic timing.

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It feels to me, like the writers know that Graham Bradley Walsh is

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you know, the biggest bonus they have in the companions, and

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they've realised that Ryan and Yaz are a little bit underwritten.

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And so they're taking pains to boost Ryan and Yaz a little bit

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more, and that means Graham's got to go into the background, but

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it's fine because even not doing much, the actor has so much

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charisma that you still feel his presence.

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He can carry it. absolutely.

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Yeah, yeah.

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How do we feel?

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How do we feel Jody went?

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I thought it was good performance.

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Um, Do you know, I still, I still have a problem.

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I'm just going to say it.

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I still have a problem with her costume.

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Um, it actually, especially in historical setting.

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I have a little bit of trouble taking her seriously in that

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slightly weird made for cosplay ensemble that no one would choose

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to wear.

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I think that, and Brendan said this as well, that it would have

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been nice to see her.

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I just want to see her in a frock, frankly, but at least sort of

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for something more period would have been kind of nice.

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I think that they probably are avoiding putting her in a dress

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given the way that she dressed in Spy Fall, part one, but I am

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absolutely on board for the 1st time that she wears a fabulous

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frock.

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Oh, well, dresser is a suffragette.

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That would be awesome.

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That would piss off, but not my doctor people.

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Yeah, have Jody in a period costume, but flavoured by her normal

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costume. like the stripes or similar colours or something like

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that.

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But there's something, I think, about the cut of that costume, um

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that doesn't work in an historical. like Colin Baker's coat.

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You think, why aren't these people back in history looking at it

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and saying, what are you wearing?

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But no, Jody, Jody is, I think she's found defeat this year.

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Yeah, I love you too.

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Definitely.

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All right.

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Well, I think we might wind that up unless anyone has anything

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that they're desperately itching to say.

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I have an itch, but I'm not desperate to say anything.

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Okay, just keep it playing the cream.

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Sorry.

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All right.

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Well, we might wind it up, but next week we have an episode whose

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use of a particular preposition is already irritating me.

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But we will talk about that then.

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But that looks really good.

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There is a kind of sort of end of season promo thing floating

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around, which I think looks really exciting and perhaps we'll see

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things sort of kick up a notch in the back half of the season.

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But we will be here next week to talk about that then.

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Fabulous.

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Fantastic.

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So until next time, in series 18, celebrity historical, based on

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your life and work, may the part of you be played by Goran

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Visnich.

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Thank you very much for listening and good night.

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Good night.

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Good night everyone.