WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-10 at 18:59:26 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.679 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody and to Terra, the 2 00:00:04.679 --> 00:00:08.460 only Doctor Who flash cast that remembers to call its loved ones 3 00:00:08.460 --> 00:00:09.539 from time to time. 4 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:12.960 Just so they don't turn up at our workplace with a whole bunch of 5 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:13.800 explosives. 6 00:00:13.859 --> 00:00:15.359 I'm Nathan. 7 00:00:15.419 --> 00:00:17.640 I'm James I'm Brendan. 8 00:00:17.699 --> 00:00:26.940 I'm Todd, and we are, we've just finished watching mere days ago 9 00:00:26.940 --> 00:00:32.039 Orphan 55, and so we are here to give you our hot take on that. 10 00:00:32.100 --> 00:00:35.100 And I thought we would start because this seems to have been an 11 00:00:35.100 --> 00:00:39.179 episode that has landed in quite different ways with different 12 00:00:39.179 --> 00:00:41.280 people over the last few days. 13 00:00:41.340 --> 00:00:44.640 So why don't we just sort of go around the table and talk about 14 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:47.280 what each of us thought, Todd? 15 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:53.280 I thought when it was good, it was spectacular, and when it was 16 00:00:53.280 --> 00:00:56.219 utterly crap, it was also spectacular. 17 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:01.920 That's going on the DVD set. 18 00:01:03.060 --> 00:01:05.700 Who are you and what have you done with Todd? 19 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:09.060 I was on this roller coaster ride. 20 00:01:09.180 --> 00:01:12.719 It was just, it was just fabulous, fun moment I was going, oh, yes 21 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:13.680 the next moment I was going. 22 00:01:13.739 --> 00:01:16.739 Yes, that's great. 23 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:20.579 I want to steal that. 24 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:23.459 I'm going to record myself saying it and edit it back into the 25 00:01:23.459 --> 00:01:24.000 conversation. 26 00:01:24.420 --> 00:01:26.519 That's exactly it. 27 00:01:26.579 --> 00:01:27.480 Brilliant. 28 00:01:27.540 --> 00:01:28.859 What about you, Brandon? 29 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:34.500 Um, look, it's kind of weird because from any critical 30 00:01:34.500 --> 00:01:35.280 standpoint. 31 00:01:35.340 --> 00:01:37.560 I'm like, what the hell have I just watched? 32 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:40.980 But I found it incredibly enjoyable. 33 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:45.060 I thought this is a tribute to zombie movies. 34 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:47.340 I said in my walk to work with Whittaker. 35 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:50.040 There are a couple of shots, which I felt were directly cribbed 36 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:51.540 from the original dawn of the dead. 37 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:53.519 Look, I... 38 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:55.140 Objectively speaking. 39 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:59.640 I think it was pretty awful, but I can't help but enjoy myself. 40 00:01:59.700 --> 00:02:05.099 So if you imagine like a thumbs up being 90 degrees and a thumbs 41 00:02:05.099 --> 00:02:07.019 down being -90 degrees. 42 00:02:07.500 --> 00:02:10.319 It's a 10% thumbs up from me. 43 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:15.960 As I said to Fred, as I said to a friend of the podcast, Anson, who 44 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:19.199 kind of agree with me, I said, it's not as good as Rosa, but it's 45 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:22.319 not as bad as the Battle of Ranscor Avcolos. 46 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:24.719 That's most things, actually. 47 00:02:25.500 --> 00:02:30.840 All right, you're here to we in our breakfast cereal, James. 48 00:02:33.780 --> 00:02:36.300 Orphan 55 horse. 49 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:37.860 I've always did it, ravelocks. 50 00:02:40.020 --> 00:02:45.000 I, I, I said this to Nathan earlier today. 51 00:02:45.060 --> 00:02:48.419 I really wasn't sure about coming on the podcast today because I 52 00:02:48.419 --> 00:02:51.000 was underwhelmed when I watched it and I was even more 53 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:53.099 underwhelmed when I watched it again yesterday. 54 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:55.919 I don't know. 55 00:02:55.979 --> 00:02:58.199 It was oh, it was a mess. 56 00:02:58.259 --> 00:03:00.060 It was an enjoyable mess. 57 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:01.620 It was just a mess. 58 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:05.460 I, I, I kind of, yeah. 59 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:08.699 Take a breath, James, because I think you're about to go into 60 00:03:08.699 --> 00:03:10.139 notes only dogs can hear. 61 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:11.819 That was something... 62 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:14.280 Yes, I'm I'm sitting sitting here. 63 00:03:14.340 --> 00:03:18.120 I'm sitting here with the cat next to me and she was wincing. 64 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:22.680 So, look, I... 65 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:24.780 Yeah, I just, I don't know. 66 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:25.680 I don't know. 67 00:03:25.740 --> 00:03:27.479 And there were bits that I loved. 68 00:03:27.539 --> 00:03:28.860 There were bits that I hated. 69 00:03:28.919 --> 00:03:30.180 Yeah. 70 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:35.879 I, I'm almost on the verge of a, of a Todd Rant. 71 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:41.039 I think you all expected to meet me to do a De Sango conundrum 72 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:41.520 right? 73 00:03:41.580 --> 00:03:42.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 74 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:43.560 But I'm not going to. 75 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.159 I can do that for you. 76 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:52.020 Well, let's let's leave it until we let's talk about the 77 00:03:52.020 --> 00:03:54.419 individual bits of the episode that annoyed you. 78 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:55.740 But just let me say. 79 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:56.699 Yeah. 80 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:57.539 Oh, yeah, sorry. 81 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:01.199 You go 1st because I've got Richard's comments here as well, which 82 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:01.680 okay, all right. 83 00:04:01.740 --> 00:04:05.340 So I'm doing the full Tod, as I said, before we started 84 00:04:05.340 --> 00:04:06.120 recording. 85 00:04:06.780 --> 00:04:10.680 Todd normally hates an episode when it 1st comes out and then 12 86 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:12.240 years later, it's wonderful. 87 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:15.780 And I went through that process in a matter of 2 days. 88 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:18.420 So I didn't like it the 1st time I saw it. 89 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:22.259 The floors in the script were like hugely apparent and I wasn't 90 00:04:22.259 --> 00:04:25.259 sort of massively keen on the sort of monster movie thing. 91 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:27.060 But I watched it again today. 92 00:04:27.060 --> 00:04:29.339 And I mean, that's kind of a ridiculous thing. 93 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:30.899 It was a Doctor Who monster movie. 94 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:34.139 That's exactly what Doctor Who should be doing. 95 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:38.339 And I thought it was like terrifically enjoyable. 96 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:42.420 And all of the things that, like, are frankly, are frankly 97 00:04:42.420 --> 00:04:48.120 ridiculous in the script, um, are just terribly funny and and 98 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:50.399 weird and fabulous. 99 00:04:50.459 --> 00:04:51.839 So I'm totally on board. 100 00:04:51.899 --> 00:04:53.759 What did what did Richard have to say? 101 00:04:53.819 --> 00:04:59.939 So Richard had to say, and I might do this as Julian Andor Sandy 102 00:04:59.939 --> 00:05:00.660 in honour of Richard. 103 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:06.180 My only thoughts are that a 3 act light operetta from 1977 104 00:05:06.180 --> 00:05:09.839 probably shouldn't have received Brandy's Soutec time spasm and 105 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:11.339 been shunted to 2020. 106 00:05:11.459 --> 00:05:16.079 It's a nice manually driven piece with shunting Robert Hyndein 107 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:16.620 gears. 108 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:22.620 But we all saw this before Lyka let out her last bark. 109 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:26.759 Even the dregs are from our Ariausen sketch from the 70s, but it 110 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:29.639 was nice enough desert emoji. 111 00:05:30.300 --> 00:05:33.180 Yeah, so that's Richard's thoughts. 112 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:33.779 Okay. 113 00:05:34.740 --> 00:05:38.459 We'll get back to them again in 2025, I think. 114 00:05:38.819 --> 00:05:41.819 So let's talk regulars. 115 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:45.240 How do we feel the regulars were served this time? 116 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:51.060 I was I was deeply concerned coming into this because last week 117 00:05:51.060 --> 00:05:57.420 was such a tour tour for Sasha and Jody lifted her game and and 118 00:05:57.420 --> 00:06:01.379 last week was the 1st time Jody Whittaker did not annoy me. in an 119 00:06:01.379 --> 00:06:06.180 episode of Doctor Who, and so I at all, at all. 120 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:15.180 So in her 13th episode as the 13th doctor, she finally arrived and 121 00:06:15.180 --> 00:06:19.620 so coming into this, I thought, don't let her do anything silly or 122 00:06:19.620 --> 00:06:22.740 stupid, and I thought she was, she held the whole thing together. 123 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:28.199 She had some awful dialogue and an horrible, overexplanation 124 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:32.160 things to deal with and I thought she just did spectacularly. 125 00:06:32.220 --> 00:06:36.180 And all the silly humour stuff went to Ryan and to Graham and they 126 00:06:36.180 --> 00:06:37.019 do that so well. 127 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:39.180 And I thought, yes, yes, yes. 128 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:42.480 And then, well, Paul Yaz is one Lamington away from losing it 129 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:43.019 completely. 130 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:46.019 I mean, she's either going to, you know, I can't see her getting 131 00:06:46.019 --> 00:06:48.839 to the end of the season without exploding at the doctor or 132 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:49.860 joining team master. 133 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:51.120 There you go. 134 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:56.459 Yeah, that's a popular theory at the moment that Yaz is getting 135 00:06:56.459 --> 00:06:58.680 disillusioned with the doctor and you know what? 136 00:06:58.740 --> 00:07:00.600 I can kind of see this here because. 137 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:04.740 Oh, okay, we'll talk about the guest cars later, but there's a 138 00:07:04.740 --> 00:07:05.759 certain emotional reaction. 139 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:12.000 Yaz has to a certain death in this story and look, the emotional 140 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.060 reaction for the audience entirely comes from Mandip's reaction 141 00:07:15.060 --> 00:07:16.379 and mine. 142 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:19.139 We may as well say it's when Vilma gets killed, isn't it? 143 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:20.220 It's when Vilma gets killed. 144 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:22.379 Or it's the death of the planet Earth. 145 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:27.540 Um, The fact that the fact that she has such a huge problem. 146 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:29.639 And actually, I, that was one of the things I liked about this 147 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:36.899 episode was the, was the horror from her was really believable 148 00:07:36.899 --> 00:07:40.379 when, when, and then, then the, how long have you known? 149 00:07:40.620 --> 00:07:43.379 She's the one who works it out too. 150 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:46.560 She doesn't work out that they're on earth, but she does work out 151 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:47.579 who the dregs are. 152 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:49.199 Like that's her shit. 153 00:07:49.259 --> 00:07:52.680 And I think the script throws that away a little bit too much, but 154 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:54.180 it is definitely her doing it. 155 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:56.819 I thought all of them were great. 156 00:07:56.879 --> 00:08:01.560 Maybe Graham gets a little bit less to do this time, but you know 157 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:05.879 I did like the scene of the doctor sort of sitting between Ryan 158 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:11.279 and Bella and kind of putting a stop to, you know, the flirting 159 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:14.100 that was going on in a sort of lovely, oblivious way. 160 00:08:14.220 --> 00:08:15.540 I thought there was six. 161 00:08:15.540 --> 00:08:16.500 Yes, please, we're British. 162 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:19.319 No hanky-panky in the space bus. 163 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:22.620 The armoured space bus. 164 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:25.439 Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, tinfoil. 165 00:08:25.500 --> 00:08:26.519 Tin foil armour. 166 00:08:26.579 --> 00:08:27.000 Yeah, sure. 167 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:33.659 Do we have anything more on that or should we move on to the 168 00:08:33.659 --> 00:08:34.080 guests? 169 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:36.899 Oh, please, let's move on to the guest. 170 00:08:36.960 --> 00:08:38.759 Yeah, all right, please. 171 00:08:38.820 --> 00:08:41.340 I think this is where the script falls down a little bit. 172 00:08:41.460 --> 00:08:43.500 What do you think, Todd? 173 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:49.019 Well, well, yes, I'm just going to talk about, I just need to talk 174 00:08:49.019 --> 00:08:52.860 about Benny, Benny, my, Benny, what have you done with Benny? 175 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:57.179 She was so crap and the crap air, she got the more I was there in 176 00:08:57.179 --> 00:08:59.100 anticipation going, when is she going to die? 177 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:00.240 How was she going to die? 178 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:04.019 And then when she died, I just couldn't stop laughing and laughing 179 00:09:04.019 --> 00:09:04.919 and laughed. 180 00:09:04.980 --> 00:09:07.139 It was just spectacular. 181 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.759 And I just couldn't believe that like in the classic series, we 182 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:16.860 had to wait. for one story before the season 12 opener to get the 183 00:09:16.860 --> 00:09:18.059 Jenny Laird Award. 184 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:22.139 And now in the new series, one story after the series 12 opener. 185 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:27.899 We've now got our new queen of, of awards for, for, for knew who. 186 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:29.639 Oh my god, she was... 187 00:09:29.700 --> 00:09:32.159 It was wonderful. 188 00:09:32.220 --> 00:09:33.419 And that's the character. 189 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:33.840 Sorry. 190 00:09:33.899 --> 00:09:36.539 She did hammer films and all sorts of things. 191 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:38.399 She's had a sort of massive career. 192 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:42.779 And I just wonder whether she was sort of pitching it just 193 00:09:42.779 --> 00:09:43.860 completely wrong. 194 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:45.059 It was super weird. 195 00:09:46.019 --> 00:09:51.600 Think about the way Foon reacts to Morvin dying in Voyager the 196 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:55.379 Damned, which is absolutely, you know, an analogous situation. 197 00:09:55.740 --> 00:10:01.379 She doesn't change kind of approach to acting at all before he's 198 00:10:01.379 --> 00:10:02.279 dead after he's dead. 199 00:10:02.340 --> 00:10:04.139 It's all sort of more or less roughly the same. 200 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:06.179 It is an odd performance. 201 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:13.139 Oh, and what the hell with the whole Benny not dying just for the 202 00:10:13.139 --> 00:10:16.740 sake of the plot for a good half an hour after he's been taken by 203 00:10:16.740 --> 00:10:19.679 these these creatures who have killed every single other person. 204 00:10:19.740 --> 00:10:20.580 Why? 205 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:22.679 It seems like there's something missing there. 206 00:10:22.740 --> 00:10:23.700 Yeah. 207 00:10:23.700 --> 00:10:24.539 Yeah. 208 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:27.600 Like, I couldn't even work out what was going on, and it's not 209 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:29.039 entirely clear what Kane says. 210 00:10:29.100 --> 00:10:31.379 Like Kane says, you know, I killed him. 211 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:36.179 He was having too much, he asked me to, and it was like he was 212 00:10:36.179 --> 00:10:36.899 having too much fun. 213 00:10:36.899 --> 00:10:42.600 And it's not clear whether the he there is a, is Benny or the, or 214 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:43.200 a drag. 215 00:10:43.259 --> 00:10:47.100 And some people have said, oh, is he mutating into a drag? 216 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:48.659 Yeah, that's what I was thinking. 217 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.840 Well, I mean, maybe that's how evolution works in Doctor Who. 218 00:10:51.899 --> 00:10:52.379 I don't know. 219 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:55.679 But like he just didn't seem to be sort of particularly like if 220 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:58.860 the if the drag was chewing his limbs off or something, do you 221 00:10:58.860 --> 00:10:59.340 know what I mean? 222 00:10:59.340 --> 00:11:00.840 He needed to be put out of his misery. 223 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:04.980 He certainly isn't showing that in his vocal performance, speaking 224 00:11:04.980 --> 00:11:05.639 over the theme. 225 00:11:05.700 --> 00:11:06.960 Yeah, exactly. 226 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:12.539 Yeah, I think that maybe there's, and you know what, my biggest 227 00:11:12.539 --> 00:11:18.480 problem with, I, I, like, I, I generally have a positive response 228 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:21.779 to the last season and a half. 229 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:27.120 But it still feels like there may be most of these episodes are 230 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:29.580 maybe a couple of drafts off a final. 231 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:35.519 Yeah, they just need a bit more work and and that is something 232 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:39.059 that's like really struck me with this episode. 233 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:42.779 It was like, either Benny should have been mutating and there 234 00:11:42.779 --> 00:11:45.240 should have been a plot point that are going, well, you know, the 235 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:49.440 earth has changed so much that these people are mutating because 236 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:51.000 of something in the atmosphere. 237 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:58.500 Um, or, or he should have been an immense horrific trauma and 238 00:11:58.500 --> 00:11:58.860 pain. 239 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:00.659 Yeah, certainly. 240 00:12:00.659 --> 00:12:01.379 Yeah. 241 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:04.139 They don't do it so that that joke, will you marry me kind of 242 00:12:04.139 --> 00:12:07.259 they're supposed to be, you know, a written, not a joke. 243 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:10.080 It's supposed to be a sort of huge plot beat, you know, will you 244 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:10.559 marry me? 245 00:12:10.620 --> 00:12:11.940 Now will someone come out and kill me? 246 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:13.559 But that doesn't land anyway. 247 00:12:13.620 --> 00:12:15.240 We could have done without it. 248 00:12:15.299 --> 00:12:19.320 See, to be honest with you, I love that line. 249 00:12:19.379 --> 00:12:23.639 I found it so darkly comic and I think it's more... 250 00:12:23.700 --> 00:12:27.179 I think it's one of the few jokes that is, that lands exactly as 251 00:12:27.179 --> 00:12:27.960 it's meant to. 252 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:32.279 But I agree that, yeah, we don't know what is happening to Benny 253 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:35.039 Kane does have a line of they're playing with him. 254 00:12:35.100 --> 00:12:35.879 Yeah. 255 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:39.059 You know, but it's, it's still kind of like, as you say, either 256 00:12:39.059 --> 00:12:44.820 have him in immense pain or see, or see him outside the van, the 257 00:12:44.820 --> 00:12:48.539 as a, yeah, space space van, and, you know, see that half his 258 00:12:48.539 --> 00:12:49.500 body's changed already. 259 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:51.000 Even when they get out of the van. 260 00:12:51.059 --> 00:12:55.379 It's like hyphen with the 3 is very unceremoniously dispatched. 261 00:12:55.379 --> 00:12:56.580 And I love hyphen with a 3. 262 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:58.320 She's a crap furry from the future. 263 00:12:58.379 --> 00:13:01.259 I really loved her in spaceballs. 264 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:09.059 My theory is, my theory is that furries are now just, they're 265 00:13:09.059 --> 00:13:09.539 fine. 266 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:11.039 They're all widely accepted. 267 00:13:11.100 --> 00:13:13.320 You know, they're not down the bottom of the nerd pecking order or 268 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:15.299 whatever that thing is. 269 00:13:15.299 --> 00:13:16.500 And they do it via body mods? 270 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:20.220 Well, no, I think she's just got a hat and, you know, like her 271 00:13:20.220 --> 00:13:21.240 tail sticking out. 272 00:13:21.299 --> 00:13:25.019 You know, how about Kane and Bella? 273 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:28.500 Bella, yes, Kane, no. 274 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:34.559 See, I, I, Kane, Kane is actually, um, but David Tennant's love 275 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:38.399 interest in Casanova, she was actually the kind of female lead, and 276 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:40.919 I was wondering where I'd seen her before, and she's sort of very 277 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:44.159 striking looking and stuff, and she sort of does the sort of 278 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:45.659 standard Ripley thing. 279 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:49.080 But it's just another plot where I thought that people were just 280 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:50.580 behaving massively weirdly. 281 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:54.419 Like, you know, why doesn't she send the kid a birthday card every 282 00:13:54.419 --> 00:13:54.779 year? 283 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:56.279 Why does the kid? 284 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:59.340 Like, like, Bella literally says she didn't come to any of my 285 00:13:59.340 --> 00:13:59.879 birthdays. 286 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:04.559 So I've brought a whole heap of films around. blow up her 287 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:05.159 workplace. 288 00:14:05.220 --> 00:14:06.779 I don't know. 289 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:08.940 It doesn't seem like a proportionate reaction to me. 290 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:12.360 Does she create that whole place anyway? 291 00:14:12.419 --> 00:14:17.820 and then with all those things, you know, and and and and then she 292 00:14:17.820 --> 00:14:20.940 knows there's a nest and they're just hibernating like when they 293 00:14:20.940 --> 00:14:21.360 walk through. 294 00:14:21.419 --> 00:14:22.620 Oh, I don't know all that stuff. 295 00:14:22.620 --> 00:14:24.720 I was just they're going, well, you know. 296 00:14:24.779 --> 00:14:27.240 Yeah, whatever the plot on the page. 297 00:14:27.299 --> 00:14:28.919 Yeah, it's service a plot. 298 00:14:28.980 --> 00:14:30.179 It doesn't make any sense. 299 00:14:30.299 --> 00:14:34.019 It's just in service of getting from part, from point A to point B 300 00:14:34.019 --> 00:14:34.679 to point C. 301 00:14:34.740 --> 00:14:37.679 Yeah, that's what I found frustrating, I think. 302 00:14:37.740 --> 00:14:38.759 It's so linear. 303 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:42.419 I mean, it's from the moment you meet uh, Velma. 304 00:14:42.539 --> 00:14:49.379 Um, and Benny and Yaz interrupts him trying to propose, like he's 305 00:14:49.379 --> 00:14:49.740 going to die. 306 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:52.259 Yeah, yeah, yeah, so obvious. 307 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:55.019 There was no twist. 308 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:59.639 Like, even the whole, you know, what are these creatures thing? 309 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:06.779 Like, the only twist in the entire story, really, is that it's 310 00:15:06.779 --> 00:15:11.100 planet Earth and that really, it's kind of obvious. 311 00:15:11.460 --> 00:15:15.240 The other twist was when Kane suddenly came back from the dead at 312 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:18.240 the end, when she seemed to herself sacrificed herself. 313 00:15:18.299 --> 00:15:21.179 And where did her, where did her offsider go, all the way through 314 00:15:21.179 --> 00:15:23.759 seemed to be there and then he wasn't there and then, you know, he 315 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:24.600 was... 316 00:15:24.659 --> 00:15:26.519 He gets killed on the 1st attack on the. 317 00:15:27.059 --> 00:15:27.539 Yeah, yeah. 318 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:29.340 He's very beautiful. 319 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:34.139 I posted a picture of him in a t-shirt on Twitter with which got 320 00:15:34.139 --> 00:15:34.860 some attention. 321 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:41.220 Then I found him semi-naked and... 322 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:45.179 Yeah, no, he gets killed very, very quickly. 323 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:52.379 Um, and I guess there's there's Silas and Nevy. 324 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:53.460 Is that what he's called? 325 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:54.600 Yeah. 326 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:56.820 Superfluous. 327 00:15:56.879 --> 00:15:57.840 Arterly superfluous. 328 00:15:57.899 --> 00:15:58.500 Do you think? 329 00:15:58.559 --> 00:15:59.399 I think, yeah. 330 00:15:59.460 --> 00:16:04.320 Yeah, I mean, the thing that annoyed me was just the thing where 331 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:06.600 he goes out into the corridor. 332 00:16:06.659 --> 00:16:09.960 He has that the kid has a little tantrum and sort of runs off into 333 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:16.259 the corridor where he knows there are, you know, drags, but within 334 00:16:16.259 --> 00:16:19.860 like 2 or 3 minutes he's reunited with his father anyway. 335 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:25.259 And it just seemed to be like a really kind of thin arc, you know 336 00:16:25.259 --> 00:16:30.419 like it's, it's Silas is finally recognised for the great, you 337 00:16:30.419 --> 00:16:33.299 know, mechanic he is, blah, blah, blah. and it's actually just not 338 00:16:33.299 --> 00:16:34.139 very interesting. 339 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:38.039 No, I was, I was sitting there going, could we just... 340 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:43.740 I had to endure that chipmunk based child back, tweaks during his 341 00:16:43.740 --> 00:16:44.580 dark materials. 342 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:46.019 He had a few weeks off. 343 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:51.059 Well, it felt like every single week he was there and I just 344 00:16:51.059 --> 00:16:52.440 wanted him to die so much. 345 00:16:52.500 --> 00:16:55.799 I just wanted, I just wanted Tim Shaw to turn off and do a truth 346 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:57.120 extraction one by one. 347 00:16:57.179 --> 00:16:59.639 I would have just been, oh, that have been fantastic. 348 00:16:59.700 --> 00:17:02.759 He's actually quite a good actor, but the whole thing with all of 349 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:03.059 them. 350 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:06.839 And the guy from in between us, I just thought he was wasted a bit 351 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:07.019 really. 352 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:07.980 Yeah. 353 00:17:07.980 --> 00:17:08.400 Yeah. 354 00:17:08.460 --> 00:17:11.039 I, you know, sorry, go on. 355 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:15.839 I was just, I was just going to say, it seems to me the director 356 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.900 Lee Haven Jones. who I thought did a good job with Spifle part 2 357 00:17:18.900 --> 00:17:23.099 has not told anyone how they're meant to act. 358 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:27.539 So everyone, except, I think, for Bella and hyphen, give a middle 359 00:17:27.539 --> 00:17:29.640 of the road performance because they're waiting for some 360 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:30.059 direction. 361 00:17:30.059 --> 00:17:33.359 And we've, I, we've seen that style of acting in the Star Wars 362 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:33.960 prequels. 363 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.079 And that really seems to be what it is. 364 00:17:37.140 --> 00:17:40.980 You know, it's kind of, oh, generic old person acting, generic 365 00:17:40.980 --> 00:17:46.619 base commander acting, generic, slightly useless dad acting, you 366 00:17:46.619 --> 00:17:50.519 know, and it's just like, it's, it's, no one feels like they've 367 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:51.359 been told what to do. 368 00:17:51.420 --> 00:17:54.059 It was true, Doctor Who. 369 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:58.799 For me, I think, for me, I think the problem is that there's he's 370 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:01.859 trying to do too much in 47 minutes or whatever. 371 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:05.400 And so you've got these 3 family groups, all of which has have an 372 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:09.000 arc, none of which really work and some of which are sort of 373 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:10.500 spectacularly dumb. 374 00:18:10.619 --> 00:18:15.299 And you just think this was so much better done in midnight or in 375 00:18:15.299 --> 00:18:19.140 Horror of Fang Rock, or even in Voyage of the Damned, you know 376 00:18:19.140 --> 00:18:22.680 where everyone has a character moment, we know who everyone is. 377 00:18:22.740 --> 00:18:24.660 We care a bit about people. 378 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:27.480 Like, you don't have to have this sort of thing. 379 00:18:27.539 --> 00:18:32.640 And I just thought that the, the, the, Bella Kane thing was like 380 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:33.720 super weird. 381 00:18:33.779 --> 00:18:35.400 And those are the things. 382 00:18:35.460 --> 00:18:37.859 I think those are the things that are kind of silliest in the 383 00:18:37.859 --> 00:18:38.279 script. 384 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:41.400 But watching it again. 385 00:18:41.460 --> 00:18:42.480 They do. 386 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:43.799 Oh, here we go. 387 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:46.140 It's our timer. 388 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:47.279 Watching them again. 389 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:51.660 It all seemed a bit less important to me than the actual kind of 390 00:18:51.660 --> 00:18:53.579 main monster thing. 391 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:56.759 Can we talk about the monsters and maybe the message. 392 00:18:56.819 --> 00:18:58.500 How did we think the dregs worked? 393 00:18:58.740 --> 00:19:00.900 I think they looked good. 394 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:05.220 Yeah, brilliant design and, you know, practical design. 395 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:08.640 It would have been really tempting to do that with CG, but no 396 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:10.799 that's a, you know, that's a few suits. 397 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:12.539 And they look quite a few. 398 00:19:12.660 --> 00:19:15.059 You know what that reminds me of? 399 00:19:15.059 --> 00:19:16.079 primeval. 400 00:19:16.140 --> 00:19:17.519 Yes, yeah. 401 00:19:17.579 --> 00:19:19.859 Like the future predator. 402 00:19:19.859 --> 00:19:20.819 With the future predator. 403 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:21.119 Yeah. 404 00:19:21.180 --> 00:19:23.220 Not that that's a bad thing. 405 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:24.180 They were great. 406 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:25.019 They were great. 407 00:19:25.019 --> 00:19:27.720 Monsters. 408 00:19:27.779 --> 00:19:29.759 And they were done with CG, weren't they, for the most part? 409 00:19:29.819 --> 00:19:30.180 Yeah, yeah. 410 00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:33.539 I believe so what to do with practical effects, which have it be 411 00:19:33.539 --> 00:19:35.339 so successful. 412 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:37.380 No complaints there. 413 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:43.980 Should we move on to the the parable? 414 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:47.819 Well, yeah, I mean, does anyone have anything more to say about 415 00:19:47.819 --> 00:19:50.880 those particular monsters though, and then we'll move on and do 416 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:51.059 that? 417 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:54.779 I still don't quite get how the doctor managed to talk that lead 418 00:19:54.779 --> 00:19:58.259 one to go into the cage and small places with her. 419 00:19:58.319 --> 00:19:59.039 It was stupid. 420 00:19:59.099 --> 00:20:00.539 I mean, like it was stupid. 421 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:05.400 And like, like, why did it, like, like, it agrees not to kill them 422 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:10.680 because, um, you know, they're an ecosystem and the 2 of them 423 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:13.259 depend, you know, the 2 groups depend on one another for 424 00:20:13.259 --> 00:20:14.160 atmosphere. 425 00:20:14.220 --> 00:20:17.160 And so it goes and locks itself in the cage and lets them walk out 426 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:17.640 the door. 427 00:20:17.700 --> 00:20:19.380 I mean, it just seems extraordinary. 428 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:20.579 It doesn't make any sense at all. 429 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:25.500 I think what the doctor says, though, is that she can increase the 430 00:20:25.500 --> 00:20:29.339 oxygen content in the room, which would weaken the creature, but 431 00:20:29.339 --> 00:20:31.859 it's basically just if you go in here and give us a head start. 432 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:32.880 I won't do that to you. 433 00:20:32.940 --> 00:20:36.359 I know you the impression I got was, I know you're going to chase 434 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:39.420 me anyway, but we're both intelligent creatures. 435 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:40.680 Give me a head start. 436 00:20:40.740 --> 00:20:41.339 Yeah. 437 00:20:41.339 --> 00:20:44.819 And it's one of those things where it's intelligent when the plot 438 00:20:44.819 --> 00:20:48.359 needs it to be and it's their big shambling monsters otherwise. 439 00:20:48.539 --> 00:20:49.920 Yeah. 440 00:20:49.980 --> 00:20:52.740 Yeah, I don't, I'm not quite sure that landed. 441 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:56.400 It was obviously meant to be the doctor, you know, has a clever 442 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:59.700 thing, but it just, I don't think it quite worked. 443 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:00.480 Yeah. 444 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.420 How do we feel about the message? 445 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:07.079 You're clearly very, very angry about it, James, and you want to 446 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:09.900 have a big rant about some spots, perhaps, for a while? 447 00:21:09.900 --> 00:21:14.160 Yes, so why, why is Doctor Who so political now? 448 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:24.539 I love the, you know, wake up, you know, sort yourself out 449 00:21:24.539 --> 00:21:25.619 message. 450 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:27.539 Like, I love it when Doctor Who does that. 451 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:32.519 Um, One of my favourite Doctor Who stories of all time is Invasion 452 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:33.299 of the Dinosaurs. 453 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:36.359 Um, I do, I like that. 454 00:21:36.420 --> 00:21:40.079 I think that whenever it does that, it's a good thing. 455 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:43.740 Sometimes it's a bit hand fisted. 456 00:21:44.460 --> 00:21:48.240 But most of the time, it works well. 457 00:21:48.299 --> 00:21:51.900 I think this kind of fell a bit flat, but I liked the fact that it 458 00:21:51.900 --> 00:21:56.339 was there and I can even forgive them ripping off. 459 00:21:56.339 --> 00:21:58.500 Mysterious planet. 460 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:01.380 Wow, rip off from the best, I think. 461 00:22:02.339 --> 00:22:03.960 And the worst. 462 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.319 But no, I really, I really enjoyed that. 463 00:22:07.380 --> 00:22:14.039 I did think the editing that last shot, though, is a bit, that's a 464 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:15.000 bit hand fisted. 465 00:22:15.059 --> 00:22:19.980 The, you know, be the best of humanity, otherwise, you'll be 466 00:22:19.980 --> 00:22:20.940 attacked by dregs. 467 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:26.640 That's right We'll have a monster screaming at you. that's it. 468 00:22:26.700 --> 00:22:30.359 If we don't meet our Paris accord levels, we'll be all attacked by 469 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:30.839 dregs. 470 00:22:31.619 --> 00:22:33.960 What did you think about it, Tom? 471 00:22:34.380 --> 00:22:37.980 I think it hits home, especially with everything that's happened 472 00:22:37.980 --> 00:22:42.299 here in this country over the last month with the horrible prize 473 00:22:42.299 --> 00:22:48.839 and destruction of habitat habitats and so many animals, native 474 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:50.940 animals, and of course, loss of life. 475 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.400 I mean, it really does touch you. 476 00:22:53.460 --> 00:22:56.640 But at the same time, I kind of thought, well, do I need to be hit 477 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:59.519 in the face with it, like, like so bluntly. 478 00:22:59.579 --> 00:23:04.799 I mean, it's, I don't know, I like that it's there, but I think it 479 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:05.339 could have been. 480 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:10.500 For me, perhaps not shoved in your face quite so bluntly, but I 481 00:23:10.500 --> 00:23:13.380 guess it's Jody's moment to talk to the audience like, you know 482 00:23:13.380 --> 00:23:14.819 Merry Christmas to all of you at home. 483 00:23:14.819 --> 00:23:19.380 And it's obviously like Rosa, that this sequence right at the end 484 00:23:19.380 --> 00:23:20.579 is written by Chris. 485 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:23.700 It seems to be what he likes to do to have his little bit of, you 486 00:23:23.700 --> 00:23:29.220 know, um, you know, telling us what we need to, what we need to 487 00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:29.880 take away from this. 488 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:36.660 So I'm okay with it, but I just thought, like, James, it just... hand 489 00:23:36.660 --> 00:23:40.859 fisted or I just kind of went, really, do I really need that? 490 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:42.180 I don't know. 491 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:42.960 I don't know. 492 00:23:43.019 --> 00:23:46.380 I have to watch it again when I have my drinking game, you know 493 00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:48.660 with Sammy Benny. 494 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:50.099 You'll be unconscious by then. 495 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:53.880 I'll probably go, cheers, yes, Merry Christmas to you too. 496 00:23:54.059 --> 00:23:56.460 What did what did you think, Brandon? 497 00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:03.960 Um, look, I actually wanted her to get really angry in that speech 498 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:06.480 and I've watched it again since, and there's a bit more nuance 499 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:11.220 there than I thought on the 1st time round, but pretty much when 500 00:24:11.220 --> 00:24:13.380 the companions asked her, how did it happen? 501 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:14.579 I wanted her to explode. 502 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:16.200 What do you mean, how did that happen? 503 00:24:16.259 --> 00:24:17.759 Have you seen your planet? 504 00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:20.880 You know, I wanted her to have her stupid apes moment. 505 00:24:20.940 --> 00:24:26.640 And particularly if we are going down the path, this series of the 506 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.059 team becoming a bit fragmented and losing a bit of trust in the 507 00:24:30.059 --> 00:24:30.779 doctor. 508 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:36.420 Um, And it ties in, then with, oh, you're in a bit of a mardy 509 00:24:36.420 --> 00:24:36.660 mood. 510 00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:39.539 Yeah, no, you know, earlier on. 511 00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:43.559 Like when I said this to, um, my, uh, my friend answered, he said 512 00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:45.000 yeah, and it ties in with that 1st scene. 513 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:46.019 I was like, yes, it does. 514 00:24:46.380 --> 00:24:50.640 Well, but one thing I did actually really like that a lot of 515 00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:54.180 people seem not to is I liked cutting to that shot of the drag at 516 00:24:54.180 --> 00:24:55.559 the end because the speech. 517 00:24:55.619 --> 00:24:59.940 The next natural line of the speech is be the best of humanity or 518 00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:00.960 be the dregs. 519 00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:05.640 And I was waiting for those words and they didn't come and I was 520 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:06.839 left with the image instead. 521 00:25:06.900 --> 00:25:11.339 And as the credits kick in, I suddenly go, ah, that's where the 522 00:25:11.339 --> 00:25:13.019 name dregs comes from. 523 00:25:13.019 --> 00:25:14.640 They're the leg of humanity. 524 00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:18.539 It took me until I was watching it the 2nd time to realise that 525 00:25:18.539 --> 00:25:19.799 Fred, didn't say he did better than me. 526 00:25:19.859 --> 00:25:23.940 Well, you see, for me, the fact that they were called drags meant 527 00:25:23.940 --> 00:25:28.619 the moment that she mentioned the elite and that was a really good 528 00:25:28.619 --> 00:25:28.920 thing. 529 00:25:28.980 --> 00:25:32.339 The fact that climate change doesn't happen because you don't 530 00:25:32.339 --> 00:25:34.980 unplug the microwave from the wall after you use it. 531 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:38.640 It happens because a very small number of rich people and 532 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:42.420 corporations are just prepared to, you know, let the rest of us 533 00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:46.440 suffer rather than actually, you know, do anything about this 534 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:48.000 problem or accept that it exists. 535 00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:52.380 So the moment that, and I'm really happy the episode framed it 536 00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:52.680 that way. 537 00:25:52.740 --> 00:25:57.180 The moment that she talked about elites, the dregs clearly had to 538 00:25:57.180 --> 00:25:59.339 be the people who were left behind. 539 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:02.880 I think, you know, I thought that was how it worked. 540 00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:04.740 Look, I thought I thought it was really good. 541 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:10.740 And I love the way that we just kind of put to one side the kind 542 00:26:10.740 --> 00:26:14.160 of established way that time travellers meant to work in Doctor 543 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:17.039 Who, which I think has become a problem for the show. 544 00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:19.319 But I won't go on about that here. 545 00:26:19.380 --> 00:26:22.619 I'm really pleased that we just put that to one side and said, this 546 00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:25.859 isn't the planet Zog that suffered an environmental catastrophe. 547 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:29.220 This isn't Fenrick has gone back in time and poisoned the oceans. 548 00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:33.240 What we're seeing here is the result of what you are doing now, the 549 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:36.359 the entire, you know, the climate catastrophe that we're currently 550 00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:37.259 suffering. 551 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.799 And, you know, like I thought it was, you know, it came out just a 552 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.759 day before the Prime Minister of Australia said, we're not going 553 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:46.140 to reduce emissions. 554 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:50.579 We're just going to do resilience and adaptation in order to cope 555 00:26:50.579 --> 00:26:51.480 with this crisis. 556 00:26:51.539 --> 00:26:55.079 And so I thought it was a really super timely message. 557 00:26:55.140 --> 00:26:59.819 So that's my speech to camera at the end of the episode. 558 00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:04.680 We should have cut to Wilma going, Benny, where's my? 559 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:06.539 She's still out there. 560 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:08.940 Like, Katie, she survived. 561 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:10.740 No, she is that Drake. 562 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:17.160 There is a Twitter account called DW Poop, who do funny, short 563 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:21.660 Doctor Who videos, and Todd, they've re-edited the ending where 564 00:27:21.660 --> 00:27:24.359 it's Wilma screaming Benny instead of the drink. 565 00:27:24.660 --> 00:27:26.339 That's fantastic. 566 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.680 So check out at DW Poop. 567 00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:31.859 I also saw them do I'm bringing Benny back. 568 00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:34.619 Oh yes. that was pretty good. 569 00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:39.119 All right, I think we're going to wind up there because we've gone 570 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:43.500 well over time, but I think this was an episode that certainly, you 571 00:27:43.500 --> 00:27:49.079 know, even a couple of days after it 1st aired, there's certainly 572 00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:53.099 a lot to talk about, is there anything that anyone would like to 573 00:27:53.099 --> 00:27:54.480 say, any closing statements? 574 00:27:54.539 --> 00:27:58.680 I think for me, this is going to be like a warriors of the deep or 575 00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:00.059 the or water doomsday. 576 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.779 I know that it's utterly rubbish in so many aspects, but I think I 577 00:28:03.779 --> 00:28:07.680 can probably sit down and just enjoy it and and revel in the great 578 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.980 aspects and and just laugh at when it's really awful. 579 00:28:11.099 --> 00:28:12.660 Brilliant. 580 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:13.559 Anyone else? 581 00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:16.980 Um, I do, I do have one thing, and it occurred to me last night 582 00:28:16.980 --> 00:28:18.000 when I was doing the washing up. 583 00:28:18.059 --> 00:28:25.440 Um, I think the... the families, right? 584 00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:31.559 The families are the people who are ignoring climate change. 585 00:28:31.619 --> 00:28:35.700 They're ignoring the disaster around them and it's like, I think 586 00:28:35.700 --> 00:28:38.759 it doesn't quite translate to screen because of the performances. 587 00:28:38.819 --> 00:28:42.240 I think it was trying to be satirical, but not quite getting 588 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:42.660 there. 589 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:47.400 So it makes the episode kind of a postmodern masterpiece in that 590 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:53.039 it's an episode with a point and a message that the cast appear 591 00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:53.759 not to understand. 592 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:55.500 Brilliant. 593 00:28:55.619 --> 00:28:56.400 All right. 594 00:28:56.460 --> 00:28:59.700 And so we're all sitting around here arguing about the episode 595 00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:01.380 while the house is burning down. 596 00:29:03.539 --> 00:29:05.099 All right. 597 00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:06.660 Okay, so let's wind up. 598 00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:10.559 Until next time, remember that there's no better way to reduce 599 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:14.940 your carbon footprint than pushing a billionaire into the sea. 600 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.039 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 601 00:29:17.099 --> 00:29:18.539 Good night. 602 00:29:18.660 --> 00:29:20.160 See you soon, Benny. 603 00:29:20.220 --> 00:29:21.720 Good night, Benny.