WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-07 at 12:49:13 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:09.419 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody Into Terror, the only Doctor Who flash cast that finds itself mysteriously unable to remember the last few hours. 2 00:00:09.480 --> 00:00:11.580 It's probably just the gin. 3 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:12.660 I'm Nathan. 4 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:13.560 I'm James. 5 00:00:13.619 --> 00:00:14.519 I'm Brendan. 6 00:00:14.580 --> 00:00:25.140 And I'm not at all a Stranger Things under garden of, I don't know what looks like a big ad for follicular challenged conditioner. 7 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:28.260 That whole thing just looked like a massive scalp. 8 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:32.399 We did actually talk about that last week. 9 00:00:32.460 --> 00:00:35.039 And disappointingly it wasn't. 10 00:00:35.100 --> 00:00:37.500 Do not use head and shoulders on your liver. 11 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:46.020 So, um, we are sort of just a couple of days after watching Spy Fall part two. 12 00:00:46.259 --> 00:00:49.140 And therefore a bit drunk. and therefore a bit drunk, obviously. 13 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:52.380 And we're all in the same room together, which is kind of nice. 14 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:57.240 It only happened a couple of times last season, if more than once, I don't know. 15 00:00:57.299 --> 00:01:00.359 So let's just talk about what we thought. 16 00:01:00.420 --> 00:01:03.119 I went last last time, so I'm going to go 1st this time. 17 00:01:03.179 --> 00:01:05.700 I thought it was pretty good. 18 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:23.040 I certainly thought it was a step up from series 11, but I do have to confess that I haven't the faintest idea what the master, Mr. Barton, or the Vord were after, like what their plan was. 19 00:01:23.099 --> 00:01:25.379 But I'm prepared to just roll with that. 20 00:01:25.379 --> 00:01:30.780 And certainly, I enjoyed Sasha DeWan's performance enormously. 21 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:37.019 Aren't they all Imelda Staunton covered in my last silver wrap? 22 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:40.500 Because she's got the same hat that she wears in Vera. 23 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:48.959 I know they're all going to end up being backstreet abortionists. dot com. worst boy band ever. 24 00:01:49.019 --> 00:01:51.180 Is that other podcast? 25 00:01:51.180 --> 00:01:52.079 I think it might be. 26 00:01:52.140 --> 00:01:53.760 James, have you started the timer, by the way? 27 00:01:53.819 --> 00:01:54.420 Okay, good. 28 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:55.079 All right. 29 00:01:55.140 --> 00:02:01.019 So James, that's all I'm going to say, James. to completely to rally what I was about to say. 30 00:02:01.859 --> 00:02:03.959 Look, I really enjoyed it. 31 00:02:04.019 --> 00:02:06.239 I actually, you know what it reminded me of. 32 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:23.039 The way that Moffatt used to do his two-parters, where the whole thing would flip on a knife edge and you'd get a completely different plot, even though it was a 2nd part of a two-parter. 33 00:02:23.099 --> 00:02:25.379 And I actually really enjoyed that. 34 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:30.060 I think I found myself enjoying last week's plot more than this week's. 35 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:31.020 Oh, no, no, I did. 36 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:36.599 I found myself enjoying last of the time lords, but wasn't that what it was? 37 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:46.500 But no, I liked the fact that they took the plot and flipped it because it kept things interesting and different and fresh. 38 00:02:46.620 --> 00:02:48.120 I preferred... 39 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:49.680 A gentle listener who's as drunk as I am. 40 00:02:49.740 --> 00:02:51.120 How did they flip the plot? 41 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:58.379 I think rather than doing that sort of spy, pastige, like Bond kind of went away. 42 00:02:58.379 --> 00:03:05.580 And it became this sort of weird, like we split the plot between, I guess, I guess that... 43 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:06.300 Well, no, no. 44 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:08.520 Well, yes, yeah, it was kind of last of the time. 45 00:03:08.580 --> 00:03:10.919 It was also sort of a bond, actually... 46 00:03:10.979 --> 00:03:11.879 Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. 47 00:03:11.939 --> 00:03:12.840 Yeah, it was that as well. 48 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:23.819 Because the fam are all wearing tuxedos and sort of being chased and hiding and not eating chips and doing a sort of slightly less interesting tread of that scene. for the dearth of chips. 49 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:26.039 Immediately over the chips. 50 00:03:26.099 --> 00:03:31.979 I did like how Yaz looked like she'd dressed up to perform on Strictly Come Dancing. 51 00:03:32.099 --> 00:03:37.080 Yes, look, I had a moment where I noticed jazz on screen as well. was lovely, wasn't it? 52 00:03:37.139 --> 00:03:39.719 Why is my favourite person still not freaking on screen? 53 00:03:39.780 --> 00:03:42.419 I thought she got a bit to do this week. 54 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:43.620 Maybe I'm just plaintive. 55 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:44.939 She got more to do in F1. 56 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:49.139 But she wasn't totally pushed into the background this week, even though she doesn't get a gadget. 57 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:50.460 No. 58 00:03:50.460 --> 00:03:52.500 That was disappointing, especially. 59 00:03:52.560 --> 00:04:01.020 The thing is, especially if the other 2 were a bit rubbish with their gadgets, which, you know, even though they managed to steal a car, Graham was a bit rubbish with the laser shoe, which is fine. 60 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:02.879 I love the laser shoe. 61 00:04:02.939 --> 00:04:04.020 A little nod to Don Adams. 62 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:10.680 I think it was a very boy thing, you know, like they were both sort of silly boys. 63 00:04:10.740 --> 00:04:12.000 Sorry to overtalk. 64 00:04:12.060 --> 00:04:12.900 It was Marine Boy. 65 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:17.220 Do you remember the jets in his shoe for the, I know, that's really only for Colin Neal, who's the only other person who's always me? 66 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:18.600 Hello, Colin. 67 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:19.800 Hello, Colin. 68 00:04:19.860 --> 00:04:20.579 No, you really are. 69 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:34.259 But yeah, it wouldn't have been great, Brendan, if they had given her something and she just intuitively known exactly how to use it straight away because she's more intelligent than the other two. 70 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:36.899 I like capable. on the phone call. 71 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:38.639 Yes, that's true. 72 00:04:38.699 --> 00:04:48.779 And actually, come to think of it, that's kind of her gadget that she knows they're going to be listening in and she knows that because Ryan and Graham are almost the only family each other has. 73 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:55.800 They, you know, they're not going to call like Aaron, for instance, despite the fact there's some been some repairing in the relationship. 74 00:04:55.860 --> 00:04:59.699 No, far more believable for her to call, but for that to be part of the trick. 75 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:03.180 If you don't mind me jumping, jumping in. 76 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:03.899 Not at all. 77 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:10.980 And the thing is, I like that they don't then realise, of course, Barton's going to use this to hunt us down because they're not spies. 78 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:16.079 I don't see that this story, these episodes had to have the same title. 79 00:05:16.139 --> 00:05:20.399 I think I would have liked to call this on the doctor's Secret Service. 80 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:25.019 I wanted to call it... 81 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:27.360 I wanted to call it doctor Pussy, but that would have been wrong. 82 00:05:27.420 --> 00:05:28.199 Oh, dear. 83 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:29.579 Bad. 84 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:31.500 Octo Doctois? 85 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:33.420 Stop it at once, shame. 86 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.000 But yeah, I love It's not rude. 87 00:05:36.060 --> 00:05:37.680 I'm not the one who's pussy. 88 00:05:37.740 --> 00:05:39.779 I'd just like to throw out there though. 89 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:41.040 I think the plot. 90 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:42.779 I think the plot. 91 00:05:42.899 --> 00:05:43.560 Of course, I'm here. 92 00:05:43.620 --> 00:05:50.100 I think the plot of these 2 hours holds together better than the plot of the last 3 James Bond films. 93 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:52.560 Ooh, not a high. 94 00:05:52.620 --> 00:05:54.180 Actually, not all controversial. 95 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:58.560 But the thing is, as much as, you know, we ditch the spy trapping trappings for the 1st half. 96 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:01.139 We get them back in the 2nd half. 97 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:01.680 Yes. 98 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:07.500 And I love, I love the doctor picking up Ada and Eniat Khan. 99 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:09.240 No, nor any car. 100 00:06:09.300 --> 00:06:10.379 Sorry, nor Iniak Khan. 101 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:11.040 I beg your pardon. 102 00:06:11.100 --> 00:06:16.680 Um, And yeah, I just, I loved the chemistry between those three. 103 00:06:16.740 --> 00:06:18.240 Some people on Twitter have suggested. 104 00:06:18.300 --> 00:06:22.860 Actually, there's kind of more chemistry between these 3 than the regular 4 and it's like... 105 00:06:24.060 --> 00:06:25.980 Did you see that thing that someone did on Twitter when they read it? 106 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:27.360 she was like, are we being replaced? 107 00:06:27.899 --> 00:06:30.360 And just cut out the middle. 108 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:32.819 But this was so much fun. 109 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:43.680 Like, I know I enjoyed last year, but last year was very sedate and I think it was very sedate, whereas this is completely action-packed, but it's not like they've changed everyone's characterisations. 110 00:06:43.740 --> 00:06:50.939 You know, it's not like watching an early episode of Star Trek Next Gen and then watching one from the last series and it's a completely different show. 111 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:52.680 It's still recognisably the same show. 112 00:06:52.740 --> 00:06:54.779 You can see where we've got to this point. 113 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:58.740 But it's just last year was satisfying. 114 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:00.720 This is so much more satisfying for me. 115 00:07:00.779 --> 00:07:02.879 And we're only 2 Eps in. 116 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:16.800 So I noticed the thing I noticed particularly in that scene where they're stealing the car, that one of the things that Chibnell does is unnecessary, unnecessarily narrate the action. 117 00:07:16.860 --> 00:07:19.019 Thank you as if he's Shakespeare. 118 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:27.600 And so, well, actually, as actually, as if he's one of those goz, whatever, yellow bounded school footnotes. 119 00:07:27.660 --> 00:07:30.720 But, but, and he started to laugh. 120 00:07:30.779 --> 00:07:31.560 Because it's a bit obvious. 121 00:07:31.620 --> 00:07:39.779 So last week, there were 2 occasions where someone narrated the action and the other person said, yes, character, I can see that. 122 00:07:39.779 --> 00:07:44.279 Today, I mean, in this episode, it was Graham. 123 00:07:44.339 --> 00:07:45.779 It was it was Ryan. 124 00:07:46.019 --> 00:07:48.240 Don't tell him the plan, right? 125 00:07:48.300 --> 00:07:52.439 And Ryan's only telling them the plan so that we know what the plan is. 126 00:07:52.740 --> 00:07:54.720 It did for... 127 00:07:54.779 --> 00:08:00.779 Yes, it did feel as if the the gloves were off, but the the rubber gloves were properly slicked for the operation. 128 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:04.680 It's less William Shakespeare and more... 129 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:06.660 Billy Wackle dagger. 130 00:08:06.899 --> 00:08:08.879 Okay, stop that at once. 131 00:08:08.939 --> 00:08:10.500 I don't know who that is. 132 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:19.800 What we haven't talked about yet is the other plot. talked a little bit about some Graham Yaz and Ryan being off on their own sort of side plot. 133 00:08:19.860 --> 00:08:21.360 As they ought to be. 134 00:08:21.420 --> 00:08:27.000 Actually, I quite like this pairing and then giving the doctor a sort of temporary sort of fam. 135 00:08:27.060 --> 00:08:32.220 How do we think that that strand of the plot went particularly since that's Australian with Sasha Dewan in it? 136 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:42.720 I quite liked it, but, again, there's that whole narrating the plot thing where the doctor has to explain to her what he is. 137 00:08:42.779 --> 00:08:47.399 Instead of that happening naturally through dialogue. 138 00:08:47.460 --> 00:08:48.000 It's. 139 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:53.820 Oh, you're, you know, a Lovelace. bloody, bloody, bloody blood. 140 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:54.899 Inputum, inputum. 141 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:55.679 And then she does it again. 142 00:08:55.740 --> 00:08:57.779 Well, couldn't we have just found that out? 143 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:04.019 And I would have thought that with previous showrunners, that would have been done, but it's... 144 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:10.559 I mean, I actually really like the fact that he's taken these 2 sort of unsung. 145 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:15.059 I mean, I knew about Ada Lovelace, you know, she has a programming language named after her. 146 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:16.559 She's like a big deal. 147 00:09:16.620 --> 00:09:19.259 I didn't know about Noor Khan at all. 148 00:09:19.740 --> 00:09:22.259 They're minor diz for the plot. 149 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:24.659 I just felt that she was a bolton. 150 00:09:24.779 --> 00:09:31.500 And when we finally do get Babbage and Ada Lovelace in a Doctor Who episode, which I've been longing for. 151 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:37.320 I mean, as you know, the NAs did similar with the 8th doctor. 152 00:09:37.379 --> 00:09:39.299 Yeah, Babb just been in it, hasn't he? 153 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:40.980 Yeah, yeah. and Lovelace as well. 154 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.019 And of course, Alan Turing and the cheering test. 155 00:09:43.139 --> 00:09:44.940 Well, there was a picture of Turing, wasn't there? 156 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:45.600 Yes, there was. 157 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:47.940 And a picture of Steve Wozniak, apparently. 158 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:49.799 I do love that they're... 159 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:50.820 Kathy Griffinson. 160 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:56.820 I do love that they've chosen unsung important women. 161 00:09:56.940 --> 00:10:00.960 Yeah, and a Muslim woman, like a Muslim woman who was a hero of the Second World War. 162 00:10:01.019 --> 00:10:11.039 It was a little bit upsetting to learn afterwards that that a few months later, Khan ended up in Dakau and then dead. 163 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:16.559 Well, I remember when her when her casting was leaked. 164 00:10:16.620 --> 00:10:19.080 I think I think it was on the actress's resume. 165 00:10:19.139 --> 00:10:25.740 And that's how a lot of people find out about casting news because of course actors have to list jobs on their resume in order to get more jobs. 166 00:10:25.740 --> 00:10:40.080 Um, but I remember there was all this handwringing and consternation of, oh, this is going to be the, this is going to be the historical celebrity episode and they're going to have the execution and it's going to be Yaz, you can't rescue your great auntie because she's also a kind. 167 00:10:40.139 --> 00:10:44.700 But I remember someone on gallipery base pointing out, you do realise that Khan is actually quite a common name. 168 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:47.879 You know, it's like the equivalent of Smith or Jones. 169 00:10:47.940 --> 00:10:52.919 Yeah, just put on a pair of comedy rubber breasts and launch yourself into a Star Trek. 170 00:10:52.980 --> 00:10:54.299 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's it. 171 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:58.740 Or just be Bernadette Cumberbatch and you can do calm as well. 172 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:02.039 Really hoping you were going to say Bernadette Peters, because it's almost the same performance. 173 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:14.340 I want to talk, please, if we can about the casting of the major villain, the major anti-doctor, because we haven't talked about that yet. 174 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:16.379 So we talked a little bit about it last week. 175 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:17.639 But you weren't here, of course. 176 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.700 No, what I was doing. waxing, probably. 177 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:22.080 But now I'm waning. 178 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:27.240 I really wasn't happy and it felt, it just didn't feel like a good fit. 179 00:11:27.299 --> 00:11:32.519 There's nothing wrong with the actor, but these things are ensemble pieces, and this is a very tight ensemble piece. 180 00:11:32.580 --> 00:11:35.399 And I just wasn't feeling it. 181 00:11:35.460 --> 00:11:38.519 You're too nice a person to be playing this person. 182 00:11:38.580 --> 00:11:46.259 Whereas Michelle, as an actor, whereas Michelle Gomez convinces me of her worth in everything she ever does because she only ever plays Michelle Gomez. 183 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:47.639 It's like the nicest person ever. 184 00:11:47.700 --> 00:11:50.700 But her shadow is very much... 185 00:11:50.700 --> 00:11:52.200 But her comedy persona is dark. 186 00:11:52.259 --> 00:11:53.940 Well, I've just seen Sabrina. 187 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:54.480 Nah. 188 00:11:54.539 --> 00:11:56.580 But anyway, no, it's the Gomez show. 189 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:00.539 But those last moments when we talk about the burning of gala free. 190 00:12:00.600 --> 00:12:05.820 I thought, no, you are an actor with gravitas and you are holding this point. 191 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:07.379 I'm really disappointed. 192 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:11.879 He wasn't played by a womb man because I really would have liked. 193 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:33.840 I just would have liked a mirror, and we've talked about this before, as Nathan famously says on this spot, and other podcasts, that the master is always the doctor in apotheo in the darker apotheosis, but has to be a little bit a little bit more watchable, a little bit more attractive, a little bit more meretricious, if you like. 194 00:12:33.899 --> 00:12:36.659 And I'm not getting that with this... 195 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:38.279 That's not how I feel about him. 196 00:12:38.340 --> 00:12:40.440 I actually really like him. 197 00:12:40.500 --> 00:12:42.059 But you're dirty man. 198 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:45.059 Well, I Well, I do think he's super attractive. 199 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:47.399 Don't ask Peter. 200 00:12:47.820 --> 00:13:00.840 But I think he and Jody were incredibly strong in those scenes together and I think that that's the best acting that Jody's done because she hasn't had to be angry. 201 00:13:00.899 --> 00:13:02.879 She hasn't actually hadn't... 202 00:13:02.940 --> 00:13:03.539 No. 203 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:05.399 And the expression is my family again. 204 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:08.100 Is that what she calls it? 205 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:17.220 Her expression of contempt and her refusal to let the master win, even when she knelt before him and called him master. 206 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:18.899 I thought it was fantastic. 207 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:24.419 And then the scene on top of the Eiffel Tower was amazingly good. 208 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:27.000 And so I like the 2 of them together. 209 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:35.820 Ada, can I just say, I completely disapprove of Ada, you know, shooting the master with a machine. 210 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:36.600 Oh, she got him. 211 00:13:36.659 --> 00:13:38.700 She got him. you know, well, yeah, exactly. 212 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:40.259 And then threw a grenade at him. 213 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:42.600 But I quite liked with that whole Neil thing. 214 00:13:42.659 --> 00:13:47.580 The doctor sounds less angry and enraged than she does bored. 215 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:49.559 It's like, are we doing this again? 216 00:13:49.620 --> 00:13:51.120 No, yeah, she won't give him a win. 217 00:13:51.179 --> 00:13:52.740 She just won't give him a win. 218 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:54.120 I like that. like that a lot. 219 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:56.879 You know what, though? 220 00:13:56.940 --> 00:14:07.440 Something Richard said that hadn't occurred to me before is something the master always tries to be, and you've mentioned this before, Nathan, is more fun than the doctor. 221 00:14:07.500 --> 00:14:25.500 And Sasha's master is not, he's fun in a couple of places, but he was giving me real Heath Ledger as the Joker kind of energy in that every joke is actually just, I want to skin you alive right now, Lenny Henry, but I, oh, I need you. 222 00:14:25.620 --> 00:14:26.879 You know how it is. 223 00:14:26.940 --> 00:14:30.480 Which makes him really scary. appealing to what? 224 00:14:30.539 --> 00:14:40.379 I mean, scary and in a believable way that, you know, when even when John Sim was playing the insane master, that's 15 minutes, everybody. 225 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:40.860 Okay. 226 00:14:40.860 --> 00:14:47.279 Even when we had that master who was supposed to be completely unhinged. 227 00:14:47.399 --> 00:14:53.100 I believe this master, would, you know, would kill anybody and he does. 228 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:55.019 He just zaps people left, right, and centre. 229 00:14:55.080 --> 00:15:00.600 That one where the woman's sort of relieved that she's, you know, she said, no, I didn't move and then he kills her anyway. 230 00:15:00.659 --> 00:15:09.600 Look, we are going to get back to discussing the master again in 2025 when we do this episode, this on flight through entirety. 231 00:15:09.659 --> 00:15:19.620 But I do want to just very quickly end by doing a little quick chat around about poor old Lenny Henry this episode. 232 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:20.700 Yes. 233 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:24.120 Or as we call it, the dearth of Dawn Fringe. 234 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:27.179 Fantastic. 235 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:29.759 Yeah, he just didn't win it for me. 236 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.720 I think he did very well last week. was great last week. 237 00:15:33.779 --> 00:15:41.700 I think that line, did I mention it last week where Jody says, I'm very difficult to get rid of and he just smiles and goes, are you? 238 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:44.580 Yeah, and I think he wins that confrontation. 239 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:49.080 Also, the darkness of he just kills his mother. 240 00:15:49.139 --> 00:15:50.519 Yeah, but what? 241 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:50.759 Okay. 242 00:15:50.820 --> 00:15:52.379 Like, what for? 243 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:59.039 Because then the fam turn up and it's like they're being set up for her to be like the empty child or whatever. 244 00:15:59.100 --> 00:16:07.799 I think I think something not necessarily was filmed and cut, but I think something was cut in scripts there to show us what these human hard drives would look like. 245 00:16:07.860 --> 00:16:14.279 He was going to, he was using her to store his bootleg MP3 collection. 246 00:16:14.340 --> 00:16:17.220 Like in that scene, the dialogue was cut. 247 00:16:17.220 --> 00:16:17.940 Oh, nebulous. 248 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:19.919 No, no, it was like expectations. 249 00:16:19.980 --> 00:16:23.460 It was fish, live show. an ugly expectations. 250 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:25.799 When are we doing the bleak expectations of doing it now? 251 00:16:26.220 --> 00:16:31.139 I keep saying we can only do a podcast with big Harry can be funny at that, frankly. 252 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:34.740 Just didn't invite some Tom Allen onto the podcast. 253 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:35.820 I don't see a problem with that. 254 00:16:35.940 --> 00:16:37.679 Tom Allen in bleak expectations. 255 00:16:37.740 --> 00:16:38.460 I'm right here. 256 00:16:39.419 --> 00:16:44.460 Because he does a really bitchy thing on radio 4, which is not for this, but go on. 257 00:16:44.460 --> 00:16:44.820 Keep going. 258 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:45.960 He's he's pip. 259 00:16:46.019 --> 00:16:46.860 He's pip bim. 260 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:47.460 I have no idea. 261 00:16:47.519 --> 00:16:48.659 Yeah, marvellous. 262 00:16:48.899 --> 00:16:50.460 Tom Allen is not actually very nice. 263 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:51.360 Have you heard that one? 264 00:16:51.419 --> 00:16:58.139 I've seen, no, haven't, but I've seen I've seen bleak expectations recorded live and slightly flirted with Tom Allen in the foyer. 265 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:01.860 Also, you were looking in the 2nd row, and so you were like bashing around. 266 00:17:01.860 --> 00:17:04.259 I just... while we're bashing eyelids. 267 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:13.019 I'm trying to remember Yaz's family, but I just had this thing that I wanted one of Yaz's family members to have been also been playing the master. 268 00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:15.180 And it's not the same. 269 00:17:15.299 --> 00:17:16.019 Sonya was the master. 270 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:18.059 I just want the facelift thing. 271 00:17:18.180 --> 00:17:20.819 I just wanted that to be written. 272 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:28.859 I didn't, they don't have to be the same character and it probably wouldn't have worked, but I just don't feel, um, Jody is being, or the doctor is being equalled. 273 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:35.099 But I did like the awful business of her kneeling, I was going to refer to, and having to call a man master. 274 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:36.119 That was interesting. 275 00:17:36.180 --> 00:17:37.019 Yeah, yeah. 276 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:39.539 And I think the script is conscious of that. 277 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:45.960 And that is an expression of his evil, that he, that he would do, that he would demand this of a woman. 278 00:17:46.019 --> 00:17:48.180 You know, that, that's, I think. 279 00:17:48.299 --> 00:17:50.339 He even calls her love in that really dismissive way. 280 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:51.000 Yeah, yeah. 281 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:51.960 Can't hear you, love. 282 00:17:52.019 --> 00:17:52.380 Yeah. 283 00:17:53.099 --> 00:18:07.859 So, I guess the final thing to talk about is how do we feel about Gallifre, have we entered a new era of the show where each alternate showrunner will destroy Gallifre and then resurrect Gallifre? 284 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:11.400 In a couple of years time, will Pete McTie bring Galiframe? 285 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:22.380 We've entered the Nathan era, where Gallifrey is tidally dead. and cannot be referred to other than its ashen waste and form. 286 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:24.240 I'm actually quite glad to see it go. 287 00:18:24.299 --> 00:18:25.259 Yeah, I hate it. 288 00:18:25.380 --> 00:18:27.660 Well, they didn't do anything with it when they brought it back. 289 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:29.039 This is the thing, right? 290 00:18:29.099 --> 00:18:31.799 And I was saying this to a friend of mine. 291 00:18:31.859 --> 00:18:34.380 It's just like, he was really annoyed. 292 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:37.140 Oh, you know, he's blown it up again and what for? 293 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:42.000 I'm like, because Gallifrey has not been interesting since the deadly assassin. 294 00:18:42.059 --> 00:18:46.319 And every showrunner diminishes Gallifrey Burger? 295 00:18:46.380 --> 00:18:47.579 How very dare you? 296 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:49.500 I really liked those beige surfers. 297 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:51.599 Invasion of time. 298 00:18:51.660 --> 00:18:54.539 Look, I'm not saying I don't enjoy invasion. 299 00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:56.819 John Tyrant tripping over pool furniture. 300 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:04.079 I'm not saying I don't enjoy invasion of time and the trial of a time lord and the 5 doctors and the 3 doctors cough. 301 00:19:04.140 --> 00:19:06.119 Arc of Infinity got made. 302 00:19:06.180 --> 00:19:09.180 But I'm just saying... 303 00:19:09.180 --> 00:19:11.160 Gallifrey is more interesting when it's been fridged. 304 00:19:11.220 --> 00:19:12.059 Yeah. 305 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:24.539 I, I mean, I think probably Moffat, when, like at the end, when he brings it back, it looks like we're refocusing the show to be the quest for Gallifrey. 306 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:27.720 There was even a board game called... 307 00:19:27.779 --> 00:19:34.079 But it looked like rather than the doctor being a sort of, you know, lonely wanderer, he had a goal that at some point he'd find his home. 308 00:19:34.140 --> 00:19:36.299 And then we never followed that up, really. 309 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:41.279 It gets a sort of brief mention the following episode and then then, oh, it turns out it was here all along. 310 00:19:41.339 --> 00:19:43.200 And so it doesn't actually matter. 311 00:19:43.259 --> 00:19:50.880 What I worry about is giving Chris Chibnall the keys to rewriting history of the timelords, to be honest. 312 00:19:50.940 --> 00:20:02.759 Because I think Moffatt got accused a lot of wanting to kind of rewrite the doctor's background, but he always did it in a way that basically left the show intact and it didn't actually matter. 313 00:20:02.819 --> 00:20:10.440 I wonder whether this revelation is going to be everything that we might hope it would be. 314 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:16.980 I would like to think is the cart more master plan, coming to fruition favourite. 315 00:20:17.579 --> 00:20:20.339 Yaz is going to become a time lord? 316 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:21.900 No, looms are real. 317 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:22.920 That's the line. 318 00:20:22.980 --> 00:20:24.420 And the doctor's the other. 319 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:26.759 There have always been looms. 320 00:20:26.819 --> 00:20:27.720 All right. 321 00:20:27.779 --> 00:20:29.759 This is getting far, far too silly for words. 322 00:20:29.819 --> 00:20:37.259 Unless anyone has an absolute, you know, urgent, what do we call it? 323 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:39.059 sort of closing statement. 324 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:41.940 We might wind up. 325 00:20:42.539 --> 00:20:45.180 So we will be back next week. 326 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:52.559 Obviously, you can hear us at flight through entirety and we have all of our sort of coverage of series 3 in the can. 327 00:20:52.619 --> 00:21:04.680 And we will be back, obviously, this time next week for, I'm not going to say the title of the episode, but I'm going to spoil things by saying it's written by Ed Heim. 328 00:21:04.740 --> 00:21:06.839 So I'm quite excited by that. 329 00:21:06.900 --> 00:21:08.579 It's a remake of the leisure height. 330 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:09.299 It is. 331 00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:10.859 At least from the trailer. 332 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:13.319 I'll try to make it properly this time. 333 00:21:15.420 --> 00:21:24.299 So until next time, let's have a moment of silence for all the plastic sofas that perished in the master's destruction of gala frame. 334 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:28.440 So hoping for Andrew to take one last stand. we're done. 335 00:21:28.500 --> 00:21:30.720 Thank you very much for listening and good night. 336 00:21:30.779 --> 00:21:34.619 Go look up a walk to work with Whittaker on YouTube. 337 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:35.759 Oh yes, absolutely. 338 00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:41.039 We don't need to hear that, Richard.