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Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody Inter Terror, the

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only Doctor Who Flashcast, terrified at the prospect of having to

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sit down and have a conversation with each other.

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We've just watched nearly a day ago, the very, very 1st Doctor Who

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New Year's special, I guess, unless you count uh, Darling Master

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Plan 8. 10 to 5 times two.

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Actually, scratch that.

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Forget I said that.

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I don't know anything about Doctor Who.

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And so we're here to give you our scalding hot takes on the

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episode.

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So let's start with Todd, Todd, what did you think?

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I was relieved.

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I was relieved that I actually enjoyed it and it was actually

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quite good.

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I mean, there's a few niggly things, but I was happy that, you

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know, Jodie got confrontation with the Dalek and she got

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confrontation with Ryan's dad.

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There was a bit of an edge to her performance and she wasn't just

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info dump, grimace face doctor, which she was becoming.

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And so I, it made me sort of relax into the episode.

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Like, you know, I wasn't just looking at her performance the whole

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time.

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I really like the fact, I like the way in which the dalek was used

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to get back into its casing, and I thought the performance of that

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actress who was possessed for most of the time was absolutely

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outstanding.

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I really loved it.

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And you know, the Dalek just went psychotic.

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I mean, don't get me started on the number of deaths.

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I mean, we'll talk about that in a moment, but even I was

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mortified by that.

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The other thing, going to the other story, which, of course, was

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Ryan's dad, again, really hard for an actor, I think, to come in

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and give a likeable performance.

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Like, I thought he did a really great job and Ryan and Graham in

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that whole, you know, that whole subplot.

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Really, I mean, I had tears at various times and, you know, big

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bonus points to Ryan for liking the Sydney 2000 fireworks.

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That was great.

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And you know, I loved, um, I loved seeing the Tatas materialise

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and dematerialise in front of people and go through the inside of

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the, um, the bobby thing from, um, the 3 doctors, the gel guards, I

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love, I just love.

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I just love that.

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So they were all things that I absolutely, you know, really loved

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about the episode.

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Um, you know, there were a few things that, um, I guess, I don't

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know, we can talk about the setup or, um, there was something else

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I was going to say, but I, oh, uh, of course, Paul Yaz was, was

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Niss or nobody again, and I think it would have been much better

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had she been actually taken over by the Dalek at some point since

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they were in Sheffield.

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But besides that, you know, I'm sure you guys have got other

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things to say, but I give it 7.5 to 8 out of 10. just enjoyed it.

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What did you think, Brendan?

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Um, look, I have to, I have to agree with Todd.

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I really quite enjoyed it and but I am going to take exception.

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Yaz got to do 2 things this episode.

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Thank you very much.

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Admittedly.

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It was the same thing both times.

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It was taken in out of the building, but she got to do 2 things.

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So.

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There was almost a hint of her policeness, sort of, wasn't there?

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Yeah, you know, she says, I've got I've got go to details.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, why did you ask for our numbers, by the way?

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Oh, I'm a police woman.

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There's been all we want to do.

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Say, I'm a police officer.

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And she, it's just, it's just weird.

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It's just very weird.

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Just flash your badge.

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Yeah, that's it.

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Like, the easiest way of getting in there.

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I can't save that.

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We've got the clean look.

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Oh, bad.

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I beg your pop.

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Sorry, it's my list.

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No, I look, I really did enjoy this one.

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I was talking to a friend of the podcast, Alex Gibbs about this

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episode, and something I really loved about Aaron, Ryan's dad is

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that he is not painted as a horrible person.

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He's just someone who suffered, you know, suffered a loss and

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handled it poorly.

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And then it took suffering another loss of the same magnitude and

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handling that poorly for him to realise I need to do something.

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And, um, one thing I kind of took exception was with was at the

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end, when he gets possessed, he gives a, he gives, he kind of

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gives a classic Doctor Who, I'm possessed.

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I'm kind of going to stumble around performance.

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It's really good, but in a different way to Lynn's performance.

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But I really thought that Ryan should have had a bit of a go at

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the doctor for risking his dad's life without saying what she was

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going to do.

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And that's an, that's been an ongoing problem for me, this series

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that really only happens in the last episode, you know, when

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Graham says, I'm going to kill Tim Shaw.

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We know he's not, but Occasionally, I'd like the companions to

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kind of say, oh, actually, hold on.

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You know, we're risking people's lives here, et cetera, et

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cetera.

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Yeah, but it's a minor thing.

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I give it 8 out of 10 as well.

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And I would like to point out that gay cop is probably still

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alive.

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Because most fingerprint and hand scanners need a living body.

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He's probably just unconscious, so he'll be fine.

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Yeah, I thought we were going to, you know, have 2 dead lesbians

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and one dead gay guy for this season, which, you know, was very

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kind of bury your gays, and I was a little bit irritated by it.

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But I'm prepared to accept that.

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Is criminal reacting against the gay agenda?

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No, no, no, no.

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He's absolutely.

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And he is trying to do representation like Moffatt tried to do in

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series six, you know, and at least he comes out of the gate

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attempting it.

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But, you know, it's...

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The body count was horrific.

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I actually think, like compare it to Dalek, right?

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where that dalek kills like 200 people with just like 2 shots or 3

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shots, you know, um, and it needs to be there so many years later

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now to show how the doctor's not exaggerating when she says that

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this dalek could take over the world or destroy the world or

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whatever.

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But plot wise, that had absolutely, there was no need for that to

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be there, that entire scene, could have been excise, and the, you

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know, it had an important role, but not an important role in the

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plot, I think.

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It looked great.

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Yeah, I agree. great I want a toilet now.

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It looks like it's an Aldoir.

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It looks like it actually looks like a Louis Marx style a cause

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because of the sort of squashed middle section.

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I thought it looked great.

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And I thought it was a bookend, the 1st episode where the doctor

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makes her new Sonic screwdriver in a warehouse. workshop, brother.

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I was thinking that watching that.

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It was like, ah, parallels.

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I mean, that was very, thought that was very well done.

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I think the whole episode was the bookend to the season because it

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also didn't have the opening credits and at 1st I thought, oh, that

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should only be safe for special times, but then I realised that

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this resolution was not only to doctor's New Year's resolution.

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It was a resolution for Graham and Ryan in their whole ongoing

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plot throughout the series.

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And I also realised that, you know, we've had, like, you know, in

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past series, like, you know, the big bads, the master running

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through or, you know, all this foreshadowing, but this time it's

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been their relationship getting to where it is and their growth.

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That's been, that's been the ongoing, you know, miss, miss, miss.

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Is that?

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Um, and so that really did, that really did affect me.

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I guess the one thing that I found, and I still struggle with, is

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the fact that you have these big action sequences and things are

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sort of building, and then you go back to that character stuff, and

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I feel the pace, like just slow down.

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There's like 5 minutes in the cafe where Ryan and Aaron are

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talking while there's a dialect on the loose.

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And I have to say that I found the Rhine and, you know, I've

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complained about the dialogue in this series before.

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I think it lacks subtext, but I do think that, you know, it Ryan

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got to take control of that and tell, you know, just tell his

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father what he needed and what he'd done wrong.

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And I thought it was done so well and it was done, you know, he

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doesn't let Aaron off the hook, but he doesn't rub his nose in it

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either.

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You know, it seemed sort of fair and and like properly grown up

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you know, that he was able to confront things in a way that Aaron

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hadn't been.

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I thought it was, I thought it was good.

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I did hear people complain about it, though.

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No, I thought it was good.

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It just, as you said, it was 5 minutes in the middle of that, which

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sort of I'm going, okay.

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And I thought Graham handled it, you know, after the initial, like

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closing the door, which is, which, you know, is...

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That was funny.

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Yeah, yeah, it was funny, but I thought he handled it very well

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because he could have gone off his rocker, but his advice and

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everything was just beautiful.

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I mean, he's still my MVP for the whole season and and I just, I

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just, and I just love the way that this resolution, you know, it

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is a bookend of the season.

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It is part of the season, is really the season finale, really.

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Well, I'm prepared to almost forgive Rand score out of Colos for

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being such a crappy season finale given that we got quite a good

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one.

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James, we went round the horn and as usual, we just completely

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failed to ask you what you thought.

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In the great journey.

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That's fine.

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I'm keeping score.

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I will have my revenge.

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Um, I, no, no, I, look, I think, I think the point that you made

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about the bookends was really, was, I mean, like that. yeah, I saw

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that too.

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I thought, Also, the, The parallel with the, the Dalek

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reconstructing itself.

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It's almost as, you know, it's metatextual.

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It's like the doctor reconstructs her selling screwdriver and in

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effect, the show, you know, episode one.

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Um, and then the Dalek does the same thing.

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It's the same kind of going.

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Yeah, like this is us rebuilding this from the ground up.

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So I really enjoyed that.

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Um, and it was, it was kind of the, the, the steampunk dalek was

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quite cool.

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And I couldn't fault any of the acting, though there were moments

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when I was in tears, especially with the stuff between Ryan and

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his father and Ryan Graham.

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Um, I thought it was, I thought it was really well done.

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I was really pleasantly surprised.

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And I thought it was, you know, it was probably drama wise, one of

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the more strong specials that we've had in years.

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In terms of, it felt like it was doing something not just a fairy

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tale or...

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You know, like the, there have been some, there have been some

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quite good specials which have dealt with some quite deep

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emotional stuff, um, in recent years, but I, I thought this was

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one was a, was really solid story.

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Look, I'm still not on board with all of the aesthetic decisions

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that are made this season and I certainly understand why they're

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made.

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And certainly, like, you know, the cast were interviewed saying it

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was going to be epic and it's kind of like, well, I'm sitting

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there for 50 minutes, 60 minutes going, well, if this is so epic

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where's the reality bomb then?

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You know?

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Oh, I did like the, I did like the Brexit related joke about

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unit.

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Brexit and Trump, I think, probably as well.

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You're sitting there going, oh, yes, universe coming back.

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He's like, damn.

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Oh, this is a really dark sort of.

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Um, this is the, the darkest, um, the darkest timeline, isn't it?

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Really?

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I think, you know, he trying to do more jokes.

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Uh, he's been a bit humourless tubinal throughout the year.

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What did people think of the family who?

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Can I just say that gumface family?

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Nobody's ever going to have one conversation with them ever.

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No wonder they they always spend the time in their rooms.

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I actually really like the mother's delivery of that line, but it

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was a bit of a pseudo joke in the sense that it wasn't actually

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that clever and the point had already been made, I think.

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And it, for me, it was just played a little too broadly and a

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little too archly.

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For the same reason, that means I kind of love it because I love

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that kind of thing.

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But I really wanted the, the punchline not to be quite so on the

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nose.

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Like, I was expecting her to say, Scrabble?

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Yeah, yeah, no, I liked I liked that take on Brennan.

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I think, you know, also, Cuban all doesn't actually understand how

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video games work because most of them you can play offline, like

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literally 95% of video games you can play offline.

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The kids are fine.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They have an Xbox.

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Yeah, I do think that Chidwill does have a tendency to go for the

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very obvious line.

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He is not in any way captain subtext. at all.

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Do the kids have a microwave oven?

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And again, I thought that was great.

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Strap a microwave oven to the tarlic and destroy it.

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I did something very similar on the planet, spiral on, I think.

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I did think her little advent horizon thing sucking out the Dalek

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or whatever, that was a bit, um, oh, quick, we've got 3 minutes

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left.

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This is what we're going to.

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It's a bit DSX masher.

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Yeah, but let's just open the doors and suck it off.

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As it were.

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But I mean, we did that to the what's his face, to the pating as

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well, only without killing him, obviously.

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We gave him a lovely, a well-prepared meal and then pushed him

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into space.

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I've no memory of that.

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The actual premise of it, like, you know, with these 3 different

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groups letting up the Dalek and all of that.

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I don't know, that, I mean, I just kind of thought, really, this

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can leave the body there with that part, like, can somebody

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explain to me this?

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Like, you know, when the dalek got the UV lamp or whatever it was

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does that mean it could then transport the rest of its body back?

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Yeah, into the plastic bag. interstitial vortex.

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Yeah, the wizard did it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, pretty much.

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Something I...

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Sorry.

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It's Mary Gold is back.

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Oh, no.

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Before we parade, I just say something I really loved.

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Yes.

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And that is, you know, I've been saying for 12 episodes.

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I want the doctor to be put in a situation where she actually

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acknowledges, I don't want to have to be cruel, but I'm going to

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have to be, and this episode gave me that.

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I like too, that she threw back to everyone else and said, look

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I'm trying to be nice.

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And like, I'm rewatching the tenant ear.

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And what you kind of forget, and you get it with Eccleston as

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well.

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In fact, you get it with all of the previous male doctors in the

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new series, is that they're all kind of a bit dickish and

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arrogant.

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And, you know, tenant in particular with the snarly teeth thing.

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I'm watching New Earth for no particular reason.

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And, um, and, you know, the snarly tea thing where he's yelling at

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the nuns and stuff.

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And it's like it's a bit of obnoxious and she very definitely

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doesn't want to do that.

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But she still it...

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And so I think that we, I, you know, the downside of that is that

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we're not going to get much from Jody in the way of acting because

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I just don't think she's going to give us the opportunity to see

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her being properly angry.

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Um, But I do, I kind of am on board with this reconception of the

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character.

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Yeah, because isn't, isn't sort of over the top anger, what we all

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like, we as a group, just privately, spoiler alert, there was no

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always criticise tenant for.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's the one, like, it's the one thing.

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A lot of us, it might not.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I mean, all of the doctors do it.

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Yes, yes.

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But just that little bit. puts the comment of calling it the Dalek

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a refugee, which initially rubs me up the wrong way into context.

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It's not, as some people have suggested, it's not an anti-refugee

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sentiment.

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It's the fact that the doctor can have compassion even for a

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Dalek.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, no, I think I like that.

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But I do, you know, I do...

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You worry about the drama.

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Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I guess that's it.

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Yeah I understand.

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Look, I think the episode gave me hope that if Typno can write

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like this more consistently, I'll be personally a lot happy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I, you know, like, I don't think that the, the episodes have

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necessarily been bad, but I do think I miss, you know, I was

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hoping that as the police car was driving down the highway that

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you know, the doctor would bounce along behind it in the TARDIS or

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something.

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You know, it's a bit, there's, it's a bit less crazy and a bit

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less cartoony than it used to be, and it is sort of trying to be

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more serious drama.

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And I don't know.

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I don't know if I'm totally on.

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I'm going to say, it travels through time.

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Oh, the joy on his face when he says that as well.

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It's like London, 1965.

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That's his name.

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Whatever happened.

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All right.

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Well, um, uh, the uh, Matt Smith's theme has obviously sounded and

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told us that we need to wind up.

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Any last thoughts, gentlemen?

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Good stuff.

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Okay, good.

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Excellent.

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Enjoyable.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I really enjoyed it.

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Yeah, good.

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Excellent.

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All right.

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Well, this is the only Doctor Who episode that we're getting this

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year in 2019.

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Uh, which means that we will be back early uh, in 2020 for more

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Jody into Terra, I imagine.

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I'm actually holding out hope that there will be a New Year's

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special for 2020, but obviously no announcement's been made, and

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we've got no way of knowing, but that would be kind of cool.

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In any case, we will see you in 2020.

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We will also be back later in the year.

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Plans are furiously underway to do our coverage of series two

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David Tennant's 1st series over on our parent podcast, flight

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through entirety.

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And in the meantime, you can catch up everything we've done all

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the way since the pilot episode 0 to our recent commentary on the

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Christmas invasion.

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You can find that on flight through entirety.com.

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Uh, I guess that's it.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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So we'll see you then and thank you very much for listening and

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good night.

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Good night.

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See you in 2020.

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Hindsight always is.