WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-10 at 18:58:16 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.740 Hello, dear listener, and welcome back to Jody Interterterra, the 2 00:00:04.740 --> 00:00:08.580 only Doctor Who flash cast that just wishes people would stop 3 00:00:08.580 --> 00:00:11.580 sticking these things on our faces. 4 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:13.140 We're here. 5 00:00:13.199 --> 00:00:18.480 Uh, we have just watched the final episode uh, of series 11 of 6 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:21.660 Doctor Who, the Battle of Raxacorrico Falapatorius. 7 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:25.140 And, oh, really? 8 00:00:25.140 --> 00:00:29.399 So I'm on Twitter, call it the Battle of Rascal of Megloss. 9 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:30.600 What did you call it the other day? 10 00:00:30.660 --> 00:00:33.359 The Battle of the Cat walked across my keyboard. 11 00:00:33.420 --> 00:00:35.039 But I did steal that, I think, from someone. 12 00:00:35.340 --> 00:00:38.880 So how do we feel about this? 13 00:00:38.939 --> 00:00:40.439 We've got Peter here with us? 14 00:00:40.500 --> 00:00:46.439 Um, uh, Peter, do you want to just give us a little quick uh, quick 15 00:00:46.439 --> 00:00:47.219 praise? 16 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:48.359 No, you're pulling a face. 17 00:00:48.420 --> 00:00:52.259 Well, it wasn't the worst chipmol script of the season. 18 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:54.539 But, you know, these things are relative. 19 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:58.200 It's like saying that it's not the worst piece of broccoli that 20 00:00:58.200 --> 00:00:59.399 you're eating. still broccoli. 21 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:01.560 I like broccoli. 22 00:01:01.619 --> 00:01:02.939 Yeah, broccoli's good. 23 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:03.240 Shut up. 24 00:01:03.299 --> 00:01:07.079 Oh, you know, some people like some people like Christian Bull's 25 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:07.319 writing. 26 00:01:07.379 --> 00:01:09.719 You need more fibre, Peter. 27 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:12.000 Yes, I've been told. 28 00:01:12.659 --> 00:01:16.620 Yeah, it felt very A to B to C. 29 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:20.099 I didn't really get a lot from and it didn't feel particularly 30 00:01:20.099 --> 00:01:20.879 climactic. 31 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:25.680 I would have settled for Dennis Spooner's dramatic W at this 32 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:25.859 point. 33 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:30.239 That's frank but fair. 34 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:32.640 What did you think, Brendan? 35 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:36.359 Um, I thought it was brilliant. 36 00:01:36.420 --> 00:01:37.200 Oh, really? 37 00:01:37.260 --> 00:01:37.500 Okay. 38 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:40.859 I really, really enjoyed it. 39 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:47.400 Um, I've, you know, I've, I've said a few times, um, during Jody 40 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:50.760 and Terror, overall, I quite like the simplicity of this season 41 00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:51.959 and the cleanness. 42 00:01:52.019 --> 00:01:57.659 Um, it has left some stuff to be desired for me, but um, I thought 43 00:01:57.659 --> 00:02:00.420 it was a strong episode. 44 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:01.799 It's certainly not. 45 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:05.400 The same kind of finale we've had for the last 10 years. 46 00:02:06.420 --> 00:02:10.919 But I think it, I think it's stronger for it because it does bring 47 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:16.080 a lot of character threads to a head in a really satisfying way. 48 00:02:16.379 --> 00:02:22.560 And um, something I was, uh, something I was thinking about, Nathan 49 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:25.860 something you criticise Eric Saywood for way, way back in 50 00:02:25.860 --> 00:02:30.060 Resurrection of Daleks, is, you know, if your script hinges it on 51 00:02:30.060 --> 00:02:33.060 the fact of, will the doctor use this gum to shoot this person in 52 00:02:33.060 --> 00:02:35.460 the head, you've written the wrong script. 53 00:02:36.300 --> 00:02:41.039 And we're almost given that choice at the end of this story, like 54 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:44.340 will the doctor sacrifice the 2 ups to save planet Earth? 55 00:02:44.340 --> 00:02:47.159 and the doctor actually says, well, no, that's not an acceptable 56 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:49.139 option, so I need to come up with something else. 57 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:49.919 Yeah. 58 00:02:49.979 --> 00:02:52.379 I mean, that's the doctor's standard approach to the trolly 59 00:02:52.379 --> 00:02:53.219 problem, isn't it? 60 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:54.840 There has to be another way to get out of this. 61 00:02:55.199 --> 00:03:00.240 Yeah, but, you know, I've been saying I want the doctor to face an 62 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:03.719 impossible choice and then, you know, have to deal with that. 63 00:03:03.780 --> 00:03:06.300 Christian will pull the rug out from under me and I realised in 64 00:03:06.300 --> 00:03:07.740 that moment, no way, I don't want that. 65 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:12.240 I do want the doctor to come up with a piece for as possible 66 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:16.740 solution and, you know, way back with David Tennant when Davro 67 00:03:16.740 --> 00:03:19.319 says, oh, you know, doctor, you've created this situation, how 68 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:20.460 many people have died for you. 69 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:23.819 You know, we get 20 minutes of David Tennant's hair quivering with 70 00:03:23.819 --> 00:03:27.900 emotion, well, Murray Gold, you know, has a torrent affair with 71 00:03:27.900 --> 00:03:29.039 the with the string section. 72 00:03:29.099 --> 00:03:34.620 But here, instead, when, when um, Tim Shaw says, Doctor, you know 73 00:03:34.620 --> 00:03:35.639 this is your fault. 74 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:38.039 She just turns around and goes, yeah, well, I'm going to stop you 75 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:38.280 then. 76 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:41.520 Like, I'm not going to accept that it's my fault, but it's still 77 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:42.300 my job to stop you. 78 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:42.960 So bye. 79 00:03:43.379 --> 00:03:47.280 I really liked those 2 undercuttings of my expectations. 80 00:03:47.699 --> 00:03:50.879 I have to say that I was disappointed by the 2nd one. 81 00:03:50.939 --> 00:03:55.860 I thought that, you know, the problem for me this season is the 82 00:03:55.860 --> 00:04:03.900 morality is just so simplistic, you know, um, and, you know 83 00:04:03.900 --> 00:04:06.599 there's no sort of, like, I don't know. 84 00:04:06.659 --> 00:04:12.000 Um, the arcs annoyed me particularly, that these were religious 85 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:17.699 maniacs that had destroyed 5 planets and, you know... 86 00:04:17.819 --> 00:04:20.579 Yeah, because they felt slightly bad about it towards the end. 87 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:23.339 There's no consequences it's not even addressed. 88 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:27.240 And, you know, she gets out of the trolly problem by pulling the 89 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:29.819 magical plot solving things off her forehead. 90 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.699 And, you know, that could have been exciting as well, but what 91 00:04:32.699 --> 00:04:35.160 happens here and Yaz get a bit of a headache and then we're kind 92 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:36.959 of, you know, back on our way. 93 00:04:37.259 --> 00:04:42.600 I have to say that I was I was a bit disappointed with this one. 94 00:04:42.660 --> 00:04:45.420 I thought it was very anticlimactic and I thought the character 95 00:04:45.420 --> 00:04:47.040 work was really by the numbers. 96 00:04:47.100 --> 00:04:51.120 So I think we'd all been predicting the fist bump in episode 10 97 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:55.740 since about episode 2 and the air it came right on schedule. 98 00:04:55.800 --> 00:05:00.480 And I just didn't believe for a 2nd that that, you know, there 99 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:03.300 wasn't any tension about whether Graham was going to kill Tim. 100 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:06.300 Just as there was never any tension about whether Pete was going 101 00:05:06.300 --> 00:05:07.800 to shoot Davros in the face. 102 00:05:07.860 --> 00:05:09.060 It just wasn't ever going to happen. 103 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:11.100 Todd. 104 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:12.360 Sorry. 105 00:05:12.420 --> 00:05:18.420 Well, Nathan, I think you've taken said a lot of what I was going 106 00:05:18.420 --> 00:05:20.879 to say, especially about the headache thing. 107 00:05:20.939 --> 00:05:23.879 Like it was tell, don't show, which is what James has been saying 108 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:25.800 for so many of these episodes. 109 00:05:25.860 --> 00:05:27.420 We need show, don't tell. 110 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:32.339 Look, I thought Tim Shaw, as a villain, was actually much better 111 00:05:32.339 --> 00:05:33.420 than the 1st episode. 112 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.720 I think that's something that I did enjoy. 113 00:05:36.779 --> 00:05:39.720 I thought the music was lovely and it was beautifully shot. 114 00:05:39.779 --> 00:05:42.779 Bradley Walsh is my father best thing in the show by a mile. 115 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:46.980 That scene where he pulls up the doctor and says what he's going 116 00:05:46.980 --> 00:05:47.339 to do. 117 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:51.480 He was fantastic and Jodie was fine, but she didn't blow me away 118 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:52.079 in that moment. 119 00:05:52.139 --> 00:05:55.139 I felt that she likes substance and was superficial and I just 120 00:05:55.139 --> 00:05:56.220 kind of went, really? 121 00:05:56.339 --> 00:05:59.759 But then, but then a few moments later, she's talking about 122 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:03.180 Wellington's in the water and all those, that was hilarious and 123 00:06:03.180 --> 00:06:04.259 all her little side things. 124 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:05.459 I think are great. 125 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:11.699 Um, uh, so, uh, um, you know, the title, I think it's possibly the 126 00:06:11.699 --> 00:06:12.300 worst ever. 127 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:15.120 A right mouthful that's totally unmemorable. 128 00:06:15.180 --> 00:06:17.939 The other describes wasn't even something we even witnessed on 129 00:06:17.939 --> 00:06:18.300 screen. 130 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:21.000 It feels like a placeholder title that never got changed. 131 00:06:21.060 --> 00:06:23.339 So, I don't know. 132 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:25.920 It was it was all a bit average. 133 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:29.160 And that's nothing wrong with that some of the time, but that 134 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:31.500 seems to what we get from Chris all of the time. 135 00:06:31.500 --> 00:06:33.000 And to me, I think that's a problem. 136 00:06:33.060 --> 00:06:34.199 Look, 6 out of 10. 137 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:35.579 I like parts. 138 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:37.079 And where was Yaz? 139 00:06:37.139 --> 00:06:38.759 Yeah, yeah. 140 00:06:38.819 --> 00:06:41.879 Yeah, she didn't get she never gets to solve anything. 141 00:06:41.939 --> 00:06:45.060 You know, she's smart, but she just sort of sits back while the 142 00:06:45.060 --> 00:06:47.879 doctor explains what the solution's going to be, and it really was 143 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:52.079 a flick the switch and dispel Sutex solution, wasn't it? 144 00:06:52.139 --> 00:06:55.620 We'll wire a whole bunch of people up and then sort of press a 145 00:06:55.620 --> 00:06:56.939 button and it'll be fixed. 146 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:02.939 And it stole, you know, completely from the pirate planet. 147 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:06.540 The word peril, the earth word peril. 148 00:07:06.660 --> 00:07:10.740 I did like the fact that the shrunken planets were inside the key 149 00:07:10.740 --> 00:07:11.699 to time. 150 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:14.459 I loved how they how they seem to be whirling around. 151 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:17.100 I thought that they were great props, you know, that they were 152 00:07:17.100 --> 00:07:19.860 like whirling and whirling because I thought they might have been 153 00:07:19.860 --> 00:07:24.420 flesh moths that had found their way in from last week's, bro. 154 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:26.399 Maybe they are. 155 00:07:26.459 --> 00:07:28.680 They probably just got them and repainted them black. 156 00:07:29.100 --> 00:07:33.420 I mean, Nathan had told what you were saying about the simplistic 157 00:07:33.420 --> 00:07:35.220 morality is true. 158 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:39.720 And I think that the fact that those things work is entirely down 159 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:40.860 to Bradley Walsh. 160 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:45.540 He just sort of underplays Graham's melancholy and his kind of 161 00:07:45.540 --> 00:07:46.860 futility without grace. 162 00:07:46.980 --> 00:07:49.920 And so even though you're left disappointed that he really takes 163 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:52.860 the action that everyone expected him to take, and anything would 164 00:07:52.860 --> 00:07:55.259 have been preferable, it would have been preferable if he'd killed 165 00:07:55.259 --> 00:07:59.399 Tim Shaw and then hidden it, or Ryan had killed Tim Shaw and he 166 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:02.279 decided to keep it from the doctor, I think the fact that those 167 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:04.019 scenes work are entirely down to him. 168 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:05.040 Yeah. 169 00:08:05.100 --> 00:08:11.100 It was, I thought, you know, like it was the only plot that anyone 170 00:08:11.100 --> 00:08:12.000 had this year. 171 00:08:14.579 --> 00:08:18.240 Well, you know, I would have liked to have seen more about how 172 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:23.699 Ryan felt, you know, like how Ryan had felt about Grace. 173 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:28.980 There wasn't that much about that, you know, this episode. 174 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:30.480 I thought Ryan was wonderful. 175 00:08:30.540 --> 00:08:33.120 Like everything that Ryan did, this episode was really, really 176 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:34.620 good. 177 00:08:34.740 --> 00:08:36.419 Yes, he was. 178 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:37.320 I will agree with you. 179 00:08:37.379 --> 00:08:39.120 Really nice performance by him. 180 00:08:39.179 --> 00:08:41.940 Yeah, I think he's like really underappreciated. 181 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:45.360 I keep hearing how great Bradley is and clearly he's great, but I 182 00:08:45.360 --> 00:08:46.679 love Ryan's performance. 183 00:08:46.740 --> 00:08:48.360 But it's a one-two combo. 184 00:08:48.419 --> 00:08:49.080 They are fantastic. 185 00:08:49.139 --> 00:08:50.580 They really are a great team. 186 00:08:51.659 --> 00:08:56.759 All in all, like the main cast is all very strong. 187 00:08:56.820 --> 00:09:00.000 Even if they're not given much to do or much character 188 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:00.840 development. 189 00:09:00.899 --> 00:09:01.980 I mean you're right. 190 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:04.200 Like the only person that's really got any character development 191 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:07.139 or story arc this season is Graham. 192 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:07.799 Yeah. 193 00:09:07.860 --> 00:09:09.240 But I mean, it's Doctor Who, right? 194 00:09:09.299 --> 00:09:12.360 You know, like we went for years and years with no character arcs 195 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:14.460 and no sort of character development and stuff. 196 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:19.379 And I'd be struggling to say, you know, you couldn't, you know, you 197 00:09:19.379 --> 00:09:22.200 would have to torture me to get me to say that, you know, Rose had 198 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:23.940 a real character development. 199 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.779 Like she appeared, you know, she had relationships with other 200 00:09:27.779 --> 00:09:30.480 characters and stuff and then she left, you know, and that's been 201 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:31.200 the new series. 202 00:09:31.259 --> 00:09:34.500 But I had kind of thought with the reduced episode count and with 203 00:09:34.500 --> 00:09:38.279 Chibnall, who'd written Broadchurch, you know, who seemed to be 204 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:41.159 setting up a really, you know, interesting character arc in the 205 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:45.720 1st episode, that we get the occasional mention of it, but I don't 206 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:45.899 know. 207 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:51.539 What about the timeless child thing from episode 2 with those 208 00:09:51.539 --> 00:09:52.320 ribbon creatures? 209 00:09:52.379 --> 00:09:55.259 I mean, that wasn't even addressed like, I thought that was going 210 00:09:55.259 --> 00:09:55.919 to be something. 211 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:56.759 Maybe that's season two. 212 00:09:56.940 --> 00:10:00.720 In episode two, you know, different creatures, didn't they say 213 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:01.440 something about the doctor? 214 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:02.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 215 00:10:02.340 --> 00:10:04.259 You know, what I'm saying is maybe that's maybe that's next 216 00:10:04.259 --> 00:10:04.500 season. 217 00:10:05.220 --> 00:10:09.480 I mean, or maybe it's just, you know. 218 00:10:09.539 --> 00:10:11.039 Well, it's okay. 219 00:10:11.100 --> 00:10:11.700 Do you know what I mean? 220 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:13.019 It doesn't have to all be paid off. 221 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:14.940 Yeah, nothing it doesn't all have, yeah. 222 00:10:15.299 --> 00:10:18.600 Yeah, the timeless child is awesome pink. 223 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:27.059 Now, I mean, the thing is, like, Yaz is terribly underused at the 224 00:10:27.059 --> 00:10:30.720 end of the story, but I love how she was used in the 1st half in 225 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:35.100 that she is the person who is sent with the amnesiac to sort of 226 00:10:35.100 --> 00:10:39.360 soothe his troubled brow and keep an eye on him. 227 00:10:39.419 --> 00:10:43.200 Because I said back in the Saranga conundrum, oh, they gave Yaz a 228 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:43.440 gun. 229 00:10:43.500 --> 00:10:45.600 Of course they gave Yaz a gun, she's a police officer. 230 00:10:45.659 --> 00:10:49.559 But if Yaz's only characteristic, as a police officer, is she can 231 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:49.980 use guns. 232 00:10:50.100 --> 00:10:54.419 Then, That's not as interesting as, okay, yeah, this is a police 233 00:10:54.419 --> 00:10:54.899 officer. 234 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:57.480 That means she's going to be good with someone facing trauma. 235 00:10:57.539 --> 00:11:01.019 And that is why Yaz is paired up with that character. 236 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.100 It, it, but certainly in the conclusion, it's kind of like, you 237 00:11:05.100 --> 00:11:09.480 know, Ryan and Graham are facing off against Tim Shaw, the doctor 238 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:13.559 is doing Technobabbley things, and Grace is staring at, um, not 239 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:13.980 Grace. 240 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:16.980 Yaz is staring at Cal Yfrax in the key to join. 241 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:18.960 Yeah. 242 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.980 It felt, it felt really badly uneven, but I thought in the 1st 243 00:11:22.980 --> 00:11:26.820 half, um, I thought in the 1st half, she'd been very well used, and 244 00:11:26.820 --> 00:11:30.539 yeah, I've seen people online saying, oh, yeah, the Graham thing 245 00:11:30.539 --> 00:11:32.340 he was never going to, He was never going to shoot. 246 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:35.460 It's like, well, no, but I know what chocolate taste like, but I'm 247 00:11:35.460 --> 00:11:36.779 still going to enjoy it when I get it. 248 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:41.100 You know, it's still a payoff and as you say, Peter, it works 249 00:11:41.100 --> 00:11:42.600 because of Bradley Walsh. 250 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:47.100 And Rod and I both cracked up laughing with, I only show him the 251 00:11:47.100 --> 00:11:47.940 foot to shut him up. 252 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:48.659 Don't tell doctor. 253 00:11:49.500 --> 00:11:54.600 It was a little bit, you know, like our giant killer villain who's 254 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.679 there in 2 episodes and gets mentioned in a, in, you know, a 255 00:11:58.679 --> 00:11:59.340 third. 256 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:02.460 That's how he dispose of him. you know. 257 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:07.620 Yeah, because the thing is, he's he's not actually that powerful. 258 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:09.659 He's only powerful because he's a bully. 259 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:10.200 Yeah. 260 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:13.259 And as and as for the whole idea that, oh, well, doctor, you 261 00:12:13.259 --> 00:12:14.100 created the situation. 262 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:18.120 I do wish we'd had a line there from Jody saying, okay, so you 263 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:19.080 turned up on this planet. 264 00:12:19.139 --> 00:12:21.179 You decided to make a weapon. 265 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:23.519 Not, you didn't decide to make a ship to get you home. 266 00:12:23.580 --> 00:12:24.240 You didn't decide. 267 00:12:24.299 --> 00:12:25.799 I'm going to go off to a pleasure planet. 268 00:12:25.860 --> 00:12:27.299 You decided to make a weapon. 269 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:28.500 I gave you a choice. 270 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:31.559 I think that line should have been in there because really that's 271 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:31.860 what it is. 272 00:12:31.980 --> 00:12:38.460 I think also, it's kind of, in keeping with, with the fact that he 273 00:12:38.460 --> 00:12:41.940 is a bit of a rubbish villain, he, they, they made fun of him from 274 00:12:41.940 --> 00:12:44.519 the very beginning that, like, he was rubbish. 275 00:12:44.580 --> 00:12:46.440 Yeah, calling from Tim Shaw. 276 00:12:46.500 --> 00:12:50.159 But I mean, lampshading a rubbish villain is not quite as good as 277 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:52.200 not having a rubbish villain. 278 00:12:52.259 --> 00:12:52.919 Yes, true. 279 00:12:53.700 --> 00:12:57.419 But he was the least rubbish of all the rubbish villains this 280 00:12:57.419 --> 00:12:57.840 season. 281 00:12:57.899 --> 00:12:58.259 Yeah. 282 00:12:58.259 --> 00:13:00.299 I thought I agree with Todd. 283 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:02.759 I thought he was more impressive this time, and there's one moment 284 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:09.059 where, you know, Graham's got his big gun, and he says, you know 285 00:13:09.059 --> 00:13:12.480 my wife died because of you and he just says, good, which I 286 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:13.200 thought was great. 287 00:13:13.259 --> 00:13:15.600 You know, that was that was a nice moment. 288 00:13:15.659 --> 00:13:16.379 Yeah, yeah. 289 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.179 And he looked amazing. 290 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:19.259 I thought he looked really good. 291 00:13:19.320 --> 00:13:23.039 I did love the heart and reference at the very end of the... 292 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:24.000 What heart or effort? 293 00:13:24.059 --> 00:13:25.500 Go forward in all your beliefs. 294 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:28.620 No, like, you have to travel with hope. 295 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:29.639 Yeah. 296 00:13:29.700 --> 00:13:30.960 Stay warm. 297 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:34.980 What's the question? 298 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:38.220 You have to travel with understanding as well as hope. 299 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:39.240 Yeah. 300 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:43.019 I mean, there was a, there was a lot of deliberate, sort of, bit 301 00:13:43.019 --> 00:13:43.919 subtle. 302 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:47.879 Well, I mean, I think that this is an attempt to sort of bring the 303 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:49.980 show back to that era. 304 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:51.600 You know, I think we've said this before. 305 00:13:51.659 --> 00:13:58.320 But I think that in the context of 2018 that there are problems 306 00:13:58.320 --> 00:13:59.039 with doing that. 307 00:13:59.100 --> 00:14:01.139 It needs to be more complex. 308 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:02.039 Yeah, yeah. 309 00:14:02.100 --> 00:14:07.620 It's very a lot of this season has been ethical, ethical parable 310 00:14:07.620 --> 00:14:08.039 hasn't it? 311 00:14:08.100 --> 00:14:12.120 Well, and problematic ethical parables, though, you know, like the 312 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:17.340 doctor's thing about not shooting people, like her argument to 313 00:14:17.340 --> 00:14:20.759 Graham was because I won't be your friend anymore, you know, like 314 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:24.480 and what's her reaction to the 5 planets? 315 00:14:24.539 --> 00:14:27.779 Remember Tom like spitting and barely remembering his lines in the 316 00:14:27.779 --> 00:14:30.600 pirate planet about an analogous situation. 317 00:14:30.659 --> 00:14:33.299 She doesn't get given anything like that. 318 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:38.159 She never gets, you know, and I understand that, you know, the 319 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:43.379 previous doctors were all kind of arrogant priaks to one, sort of 320 00:14:43.379 --> 00:14:47.700 to one degree or another, and they've moved away from it, Doctor 321 00:14:47.700 --> 00:14:50.399 Who is so certain of herself. 322 00:14:50.460 --> 00:14:53.460 And, you know, there's good things to be said for that. 323 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:58.320 But I just feel like the show's kind of a little bit unmoored 324 00:14:58.320 --> 00:14:58.980 ethically. 325 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:04.440 What's that? 326 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:05.340 What's that? 327 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:07.860 That's that's the Megara. 328 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:09.240 It's the white guardian. 329 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:12.179 It's trying to get through trying to get through the 330 00:15:12.179 --> 00:15:12.840 interference. 331 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:18.840 That's who's in the New Year's special. 332 00:15:18.899 --> 00:15:20.100 It's White Guardian. 333 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:23.879 Have we all been in my wicker chair now, Mr. Lashifra? 334 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:27.779 Have we all seen the have we all seen the trailer? 335 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:29.519 We're not going to talk. 336 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:29.879 Yeah. 337 00:15:29.940 --> 00:15:34.019 I don't think we'll talk about the trailer, but I do want a meme 338 00:15:34.019 --> 00:15:37.980 to start happening where we see Graham say, does it have a name 339 00:15:37.980 --> 00:15:42.720 and then people show various like band draws and Oscar botchabee 340 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:43.019 and things. 341 00:15:44.100 --> 00:15:46.019 Teresa May. 342 00:15:46.019 --> 00:15:47.039 Teresa May. 343 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:50.039 Or a monoid, as we've learned from Todd. 344 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:55.620 Weren't you the source of the idea that Teresa May is a monoid? 345 00:15:55.679 --> 00:15:57.539 Oh, I don't know. 346 00:15:57.539 --> 00:15:59.700 I thought she was a gastropod. 347 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:00.360 What's his name? 348 00:16:00.419 --> 00:16:02.100 Or anti-circus in a wig. 349 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:08.580 Oh, dear. 350 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:13.200 So is there anything else anyone's sort of busting to say, I 351 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:13.440 guess? 352 00:16:13.500 --> 00:16:18.179 Well, let me just say that I didn't particularly like this episode 353 00:16:18.179 --> 00:16:22.620 but I understand the need for a more straightforward story. 354 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:27.240 I think that the show did get too complex over the over the 355 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:28.139 Stephen Moffatt era. 356 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:29.820 The expression is too up its own arms. 357 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:30.659 Yeah, yeah. 358 00:16:30.659 --> 00:16:33.299 And I think, you know, we did need to straighten it out a little 359 00:16:33.299 --> 00:16:36.299 bit, but I think you need you need more plot. 360 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:40.080 You need traditional reverses and reveals and I just I don't 361 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:42.240 really feel that we're getting them in a lot of Christmas scripts 362 00:16:42.299 --> 00:16:43.799 gone too far in the other direction. 363 00:16:43.860 --> 00:16:46.559 I think I think too, there's too much exposition. 364 00:16:46.620 --> 00:16:48.419 Like just too much. 365 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:50.879 And for a little while, I thought, we're going back to a situation 366 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:53.580 where the doctor doesn't know everything, but we don't seem to be 367 00:16:53.580 --> 00:16:54.059 doing that. 368 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:57.179 We had the giant info dump about the solar track last week. 369 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:00.899 And then we had, you know, this terrible info dump about the arcs 370 00:17:00.899 --> 00:17:04.019 and then her talking her way out of the entire situation. 371 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:09.599 You know, it's, I think if that works against the simplicity. 372 00:17:09.660 --> 00:17:13.500 That makes it a little bit too like that French and Saunders 373 00:17:13.500 --> 00:17:18.839 sketch on the, you know, the, all talking about, you know, the 374 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:22.140 ninth the Congress of a ninth planet and all of that sort of 375 00:17:22.140 --> 00:17:22.380 thing. 376 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:25.200 It's all just sort of, I think that's tiresome. 377 00:17:25.259 --> 00:17:30.660 I think we can do things that are simple, but could be surprising 378 00:17:30.660 --> 00:17:32.039 from time to time. 379 00:17:32.220 --> 00:17:34.619 I would love to be surprised, I think. 380 00:17:38.220 --> 00:17:40.200 I have nothing more to add. 381 00:17:40.259 --> 00:17:41.819 That was a rather sombre. 382 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:42.299 Yeah. 383 00:17:42.299 --> 00:17:42.960 Yeah. 384 00:17:43.019 --> 00:17:49.200 I think, I think, you know, if we, I, if we went back and gave her 385 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:52.019 I'm hoping that we're going to see her against something that's 386 00:17:52.019 --> 00:17:56.519 just unambiguously evil, where she gets to be a little bit more 387 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:01.200 kind of, have a little bit more of a weighty interaction, you 388 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:02.519 know. 389 00:18:02.579 --> 00:18:03.180 Yeah. 390 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:03.900 Yeah. 391 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:10.079 Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm thinking that behind the scenes, um, Chipnell 392 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:14.460 and Jody have been signed on for 3 to 4 theory, so Chipnell has 393 00:18:14.460 --> 00:18:16.440 said, right, I'm I'm giving it. 394 00:18:16.500 --> 00:18:20.940 I'm giving it a 3 year story arc. and I think, I think next year 395 00:18:20.940 --> 00:18:26.400 we'll, I, I, I do want more complexity, but, I've watched this 396 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:29.279 season and kind of dodged it for what it is, just like I've tried 397 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:33.839 not to judge the Moffatt era by RTD standards. and for what it is 398 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:35.220 I have loved it. 399 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:43.619 Um, my average score across the 10 episodes is um 8.2 It's um up 400 00:18:43.619 --> 00:18:49.440 there for me with uh Eccleston's 1st series, series 4 um series 5 401 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:50.160 and series 8. 402 00:18:50.220 --> 00:18:52.200 I'm I'm a bit more. 403 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:56.099 I'm a bit more reticent about the series than you, Brendan, but I 404 00:18:56.099 --> 00:19:00.180 tend, I've been trying to go into it with a similar sort of open 405 00:19:00.180 --> 00:19:05.579 mind and trying to let go of that baggage and I think that 406 00:19:05.579 --> 00:19:09.599 actually has been that I've enjoyed it a lot more than I possibly 407 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:13.619 would have if I'd been expecting... 408 00:19:13.619 --> 00:19:13.859 Yeah. 409 00:19:13.859 --> 00:19:17.039 I... all RTDs sort of style of writing. 410 00:19:17.099 --> 00:19:20.519 I think I've said before, but maybe not on the podcast that I'm 411 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:25.740 really wary of being a Hinchcliffe fan who is angry once RTD comes 412 00:19:25.740 --> 00:19:30.480 along, you know, like, and I certainly recognise that these things 413 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:34.920 that I don't much care for are the results of deliberate aesthetic 414 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:40.680 choices rather than, you know, being clueless about what to do. 415 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:45.720 And, you know, like you look at the polls on the Doctor Who fan 416 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:49.319 club page, the Australian Doctor Who fan club of Australia page 417 00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:51.420 lots of people are really positive. 418 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:53.160 Lots of people have got a lot out of it. 419 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.759 People are watching the hell out of it in Britain. you know, it's 420 00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:58.140 and in America. 421 00:19:58.200 --> 00:19:59.640 Like it is going very well. 422 00:19:59.700 --> 00:20:06.000 And I think the straightforwardness of it is, you know, yeah, well 423 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:06.660 I think that's very much. 424 00:20:06.660 --> 00:20:08.220 And stop being made for us. 425 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:10.019 It's been being made for us for too long. 426 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:10.859 Yeah. 427 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:13.799 I mean, but I think RTD easier. wasn't made for us. 428 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:16.500 No, and it was cleverer than this. 429 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:21.119 But Moffat, certainly after series 5 is making. 430 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:21.779 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 431 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:22.440 Yeah, yeah. 432 00:20:23.819 --> 00:20:28.920 I've tried to keep an open mind and I can see all the changes and 433 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:31.799 see why they've made them and some things they're pulled off very 434 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:32.700 well. 435 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:36.000 But I can't, you know, there's episodes that I've enjoyed. 436 00:20:36.059 --> 00:20:39.240 But I've just been disappointed in so many of Chib North 437 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:39.660 episodes. 438 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:45.599 So for me, the season, the half the season has been a 439 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:46.140 disappointment. 440 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:49.559 Jody has not lived up to my expectations. 441 00:20:49.619 --> 00:20:52.019 Perhaps I set a benchmark far too high. 442 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:54.059 Bradley Walsh has been a highlight. 443 00:20:54.539 --> 00:20:59.339 I'm questioning whether I'm only watching the show out of long 444 00:20:58.500 --> 00:21:00.599 term loyalty for the show. 445 00:21:00.660 --> 00:21:04.140 I'm not necessarily wanting to come back next week and watch it. 446 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:09.839 So, um, I don't want to I don't want to alarm you, but it's not on 447 00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:10.200 next week. 448 00:21:11.819 --> 00:21:14.460 Next week we can watch the Pirate Planet. 449 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:16.319 We watched it this week. 450 00:21:17.579 --> 00:21:19.259 Oh, dear. 451 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:19.740 All right. 452 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:23.160 Well, dear. 453 00:21:23.220 --> 00:21:23.759 All right. 454 00:21:23.819 --> 00:21:26.460 Well, look, that's all we have time for. 455 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:30.299 But thank you to everyone for joining us. 456 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:34.680 Tonight, Richard tried to be here, but the Skype gods weren't 457 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:35.940 smiling on him, I'm afraid. 458 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:42.000 But we will, well, in fact, you will hear him, this Sunday, where 459 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:50.640 we'll be releasing our enlightenment commentary, which... 460 00:21:50.700 --> 00:21:51.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 461 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:54.359 Our enlightenment commentary with special guest star Colin Neal 462 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:57.839 who you will remember from last week's Jodie Intaterra. 463 00:21:57.900 --> 00:21:59.279 So keep an eye out on that. 464 00:21:59.339 --> 00:22:02.819 That's Flightthrough Entirety.com, Flight through Entirety on 465 00:22:02.819 --> 00:22:08.279 Facebook and Apple Podcasts and at FTE podcast on Twitter. 466 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:12.720 And unless anyone has anything very urgent to say, I'm going to 467 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:15.599 say, thank you very much for listening and good night. 468 00:22:15.660 --> 00:22:16.619 Good night. 469 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:17.099 Good night. 470 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