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Hello, dear listener, and welcome to Jody Interterterra, the only

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Doctor Who podcast that couldn't wait till late 2023 to discuss

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series 11 of Doctor Who.

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So we've all watched it on the weekend, and we're here to just

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give our 1st impressions.

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Obviously, as we said in the last episode of FTE, you'll get to

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hear our definitive FTE take in about what?

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right.

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But in the meantime, we didn't want to hold back.

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So I'm really keen to hear what Brendan had to say.

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Hello, dear listeners.

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It is Brendan here.

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We've been out in back on the podcast.

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And back on the podcast.

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I've been let out of my box.

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Um, yes, so on um, on Monday morning, got up really early and

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watched it uh, with Rod on IView.

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And uh, then at the cinema, um, went along with uh, James, Nathan

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uh, Richard and uh, various other people.

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Todd couldn't make it because he had a prior commitment.

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And so, yeah, I watched it twice in 24 hours, which is the 1st

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time I've done that for an episode, I think, since day of the

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doctor.

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Um, and I have to say, I thought it was a steady, if not

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spectacular start in the same vein as, say, robot.

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And I think they've done that because there are better episodes to

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come, but in this episode they had to set up 4 main characters, a

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supporting character who we thought might have been a main

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character, as well as have a plot, as well as a lay concerns that

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a woman could not play the doctor.

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And I think it succeeds well.

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It does give us a compelling villain.

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And I found myself thinking there's some imagery in this episode

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that makes me think of very good classic episodes.

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So, for instance, when Tim Shaw, who, of course, got a big laugh

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in Australia.

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And I've decided, it's some, it's Pete McTyre's, uh, influence in

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the script group that has been a bit of led to that.

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But I found his method of killing people very similar to the

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emissary of Soutec, bringing Soutec's gift of death to all

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humankind.

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And of course, climbing the crane at the end, I thought, at first

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oh, my 1st viewing, I thought, oh, this is a crib to logopolis, but

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this time she's not gonna, you know, the doctor's not going to die

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from this.

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But it's also a little bit terror of the autons, but without the

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whole, but don't you realise these aliens are going to kill you as

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well?

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Oh, you're right.

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How silly of me.

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Um, so yeah, I just thought it was a really compelling episode all

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around.

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Really likeable, um, characters in Ryan Yaz and Graham, and of

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course the doctor.

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And what I liked is a lot of the smugness that has been part of

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some of the more recent companions.

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None of these characters seem smug.

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They're all really sort of likeable, but also a bit prickly with

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each other is not too nice.

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Yeah, so when I say 7 out of 10, it's not so much that there was

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anything missing from the episode, it's just the episode had to

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understandably be light on some parts.

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And I think we're well on the way to getting some 10 out of 10s

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this season.

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Todd, you gave it 7 out of 10 as well, didn't you?

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Yes, but I was rounding up.

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From a fire.

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Like I always do, like, from a 6.5 , to a 7 and that's where I

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think it does sit.

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I too got up and watched it early and then I watched it on the ABC

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later on, was really interesting, I thought, to see a newly

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regenerated blonde headed 5th doctor in the series.

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Try and work out if she was actually was looking for the doctor

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like for the whole episode.

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And then one of her companions tried to ride a bike but really

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couldn't and then pushed buttons that he shouldn't have pushed to

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set off a chain of events.

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So, I mean, I mean, sorry, Ryan, who I thought was really likeable

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and lovely, set off this chain of events so that then Nissa could

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start.

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I mean, Yaz could start to investigate, like she always does, but

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then, of course, she gets pushed into the background once her

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investigations, you know, sort of a finish, so she sort of just

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becomes, well, where is she?

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She's just there, one of the team.

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Meanwhile, of course.

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Tegan, I mean, Graham, is like the, is the ones like the voice of

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reason saying, no, don't go in there.

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Don't do that.

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Things are going to go bad, um, but still chimes in with very good

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advice and you can't help but really, really like her sort of, you

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know, um, ying to their yang, really.

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And then, of course, my favourite character who's near, gun her

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loving it all, Auntie Vanessa meets and, you know, she was

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doomed.

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I mean, great.

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So, yeah, so that was some of my thoughts about some of the

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characters in this.

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That's amazing. great take on it.

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But look, I say this.

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I liked all of the characters and I thought they all had a lot of

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wonderful potential and I liked all the different beats that they

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had.

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Um, In terms of some of the stuff that Brendan was talking about

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you know, the whole crane thing, I thought that was beautifully

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shot, sort of reminded me a bit of, um, the end of, uh, Buffy the

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Vampires, I guess, season time, really.

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Oh, yeah. the whole crane thing.

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And then we had, of course, I like the fact that you sort of were

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let out the garden path with the villains thinking that it was

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going to be like a war, but it wasn't.

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I thought that was quite a clever little, you know, take.

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And also too, when the doctor had removed those bombs, um, out of

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everybody, um, which was another little little twist.

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The one thing I didn't really like was that was the fact that that

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poor doomed guy who was looking for his sister.

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How the hell did he get that big Hershey's bathing out of the

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forest?

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Oh, he had his mate.

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He had his bond mate.

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He offered him a beer.

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Yeah, that was that was probably the one plot point that I kind of

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went, you know what I'm like with these sort of things?

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They had a mini crane in the back.

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You know, um, the villain looked like a cross between, um, uh, the

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Gem Hadar from Deep Space 9 and Skip from Angel.

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So I wasn't necessarily that impressed with that aspect of it, but

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it was very accessible for people.

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Like, I've been speaking to some some friends who no longer

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watched the show and they actually tuned in and they actually said

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they liked the fact that it wasn't complicated and they liked

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her.

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She was really likeable and so they're going to tune in again.

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So I thought that was really interesting.

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Um, Jody was okay.

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I think she got better as the episode went along.

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I thought she had some great moments.

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You know, the thing with the mobile phone and, um, and also when

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she was talking to him about being a cheating double cheater or

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whatever it was, there were some nice little quips in there and, um

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but she also got some clunky dialogue, I thought as well off Chris

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and I thought it was a bit laboured at times, especially after she

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said, I am the doctor.

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There was a line about, I mean, to fair, what was it, fair play?

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across the universe.

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The way that was, it wasn't necessarily the way it was delivered

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but it was just I just found, I just cringed.

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And I guess that's my biggest concern is that part, for me as a

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fan.

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I just felt that, and I've always thought that, that Russell T

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Davies writing and, um, Stephen Moffatt's writing, in terms of the

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actual dialogue has a flair to it, whereas I find have found in

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the past with Chris Chibnall, not so much, and here, there are

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some really nice things, and there are other things that I kind of

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just went, oh, that's sort of like a children's television

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presenter summing up what's going on.

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So, You know, it sounds like I'm bagging things out, but I'm not

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like, I mean, I enjoyed it, but, There were little things like

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that.

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And the other thing that I struggled with was the, um, Incidental

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music, which I thought was really haunting and beautiful at times

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but it was such a different take.

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I thought it was much more old school Doctor Who.

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I'm used to Murray Gold telling us how to feel every 5 seconds and

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crescendos of, you know, emotion and that really wasn't there at

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certain big speeches from the doctor and I struggled with that.

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I don't know.

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But I'll get used to that, you know, it's a different, you know

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it's a different field.

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Cinematically, it looked wonderful.

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So look, I was pleased with it.

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I just wasn't emotionally that invested in it, you know, until

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perhaps Grace's death and, and that was really well played by um

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Graham. sitting there the entire time.

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For the moment, she is introduced.

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I'm like, oh, she's fantastic.

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And then in the train and she's the 1st person to walk towards the

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danger and and she does the big Daniel Craig run.

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She's fantastic.

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Yeah, and she, and she's, she's, just so, I think you said the

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other day, Nathan Gung-ho, about, you know, running into the

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adventure.

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She is the companion that you want, really.

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And then from that moment, I went, oh.

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Oh, sorry, I thought you were talking about the doctor before, you

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mean Grace.

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Grace is spectacularly brave and just absolutely marvellous.

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I think, just incredible.

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You know, I think the internet's been full all week of people just

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lamenting the fact that she was killed.

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But, you know, that death had to land.

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We had to care about it. he did a really good job of drawing that

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character.

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Yeah, very quickly.

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I think.

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Look, I didn't have the same reaction, Todd, as you to the

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writing.

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I thought, you know, it was it was straightforward.

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It was it was clean.

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It wasn't sort of florid in the way a lot of, you know, the

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dialogue could be, um, when the doctor was making big speeches in

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previous seasons.

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But the acting was amazing.

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They're brilliant actors.

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I thought I was just sitting there entranced by all of them.

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I couldn't really fault.

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And the weakest of them was probably, um, was probably, uh

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Toyson.

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Yeah, I don't, I, that's, yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, I actually have to defend Chidmull's writing because

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I thought it was really spectacularly good.

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And the reason that I thought it was good was that the heart of

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the story was Grace and Ryan dealing with his disability.

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And I remember leaving the cinema after watching it for the 2nd

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time.

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And I had assumed that he learned to ride that bike, that there

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was a scene where he successfully rode the bike at some point that

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I'd just forgotten all my attention or wanted or something, but he

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doesn't or he doesn't magically overcome his disability.

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He just learns to persevere.

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And I thought that that sort of characterisation, if that could be

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foregrounded for the rest of the series.

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I am going to be really happy.

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The, the, um, there was a kind of level of groundedness, not just

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to the way it looked, but to the way it was written, whereas we

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used to a sort of hyper reality in Doctor Who with lots of

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saturated colours and lots of orchestral music and stuff.

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And here I thought, um, the music was incredibly good.

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It was, I think other people have said it's a sort of Dudley

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Simpson approach to just scoring the atmosphere and not the

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emotion.

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Well, I was thinking I was thinking it was kind of Dudley Simpson

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meets Fangelis.

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It has those sedans.

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And jealous annoys the hell out of me.

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Look, look, look, Nathan, I agree with you, and I think on that, oh

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it's buzzing a lot.

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On that, on that level, it was really good.

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But I just felt the actual. you hear me?

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Yep, yep, yep.

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Keep going.

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We're not editing.

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I thought the, I just thought the dialogue itself, like the intent

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was all there, but I just thought some of the words used were

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clumsy at times.

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That's what I was saying.

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No, and then the other thing that I really want to celebrate is

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the end of the era of man pain, where, you know, the doctor is

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constantly agonising over who he is and his place in the world and

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whether he's evil and all of that sort of thing, and it all became

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very, very heavy, and I think it became particular.

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you know, questioning, you know, his like role as a straight wide

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heterosexual man.

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Like he's acutely conscious of that and, and, you know, he writes

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about men and women partly because of that.

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And Russell had burdened the doctor with what we thought.

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had burdened the doctor with, you know, a terrible backstory.

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And all of that's gone.

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She's just someone who travels, she's someone who helps out.

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She's not a weirdo like Matt Smith or a kind of bastard like Peter

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Like she cares about other people.

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I really, really like this conception of the doctor.

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empathetic that she was.

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And I liked all those things too.

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Yeah, those positives.

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Do you remember the moment where Ryan's waiting for his father to

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turn up to the funeral?

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And she goes to say, oh, I'm sure he'll turn up or something like

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that.

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And he says no, and then she just shuts up, you know, like she

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doesn't try to reassure him or anything like that.

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Like she, she can read the room.

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I think, you know, I think this is a great, you know, she's going

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to be really, really good, I think.

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had no opening titles and the ending was just spectacular.

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I've got I mean, again, it got people back watching with those

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massive viewing figures, and at the end of the episode, it said

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you are really going to want to watch this next week to see what

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happens, and that was exactly the right decision to make.

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Before we go, as Richard can't be with us tonight, I'd just like

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to bring up something, he said to me, as soon as the credits were

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over in the cinema, he just leaned over to me, and he said, this

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has so much heart that's been missing in the last few years, you

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know, because we have this investment in the family and a family

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of characters, which we mostly didn't have in the Moffat era, you

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know, immediately we have this connection, and with, and with the

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death of Grace, and having to have that for death, for Grace' not

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just to have meaning in narrative terms, but meaning to the

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characters.

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And then Richard and I started discussing the music and we both

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kind of said it's radiophonic.

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It's Tristram Carey, you know, it's textural.

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And it comes back to what I think you were saying earlier about

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you know, Murray Gold's music, which was fantastic.

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Sometimes it's telling us how to feel.

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Whereas I can't think of a particular moment in this episode where

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the music was a particular emotion.

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It was more about, it made me physically feel things within my

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body, like tension or relief rather than happiness and sadness.

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Yes, yes, very different from where it's been in the last 10

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years.

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So for me, that's a massive readjustment and I guess I struggled

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with that the 1st time I watched it.

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I had, look, I had a similar reaction to that.

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I looked at it and...

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Sorry, listened to it and...

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Throughout the episode watching it in the cinema, I did not get up

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in the morning and watch it like everybody else.

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I was sitting there and I should just feel this tightness in my

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chest as the tension built and built and built and it's not...

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I mean, I've enjoyed most of Doctor Who for the last years.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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But I have not felt that tension.

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And so drawn into the actual story for a long time.

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And the fact that, you know, like, although maybe some of the

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dialogue was a bit clunky in places, I felt like those characters

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were real, and that's, I think, one of Jimmal's strengths, is he

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writes real, believable, emotionally, believable characters in a

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way, which we probably haven't had for a long time, and that, What

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was the refreshing cinema?

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Oh, there were laugh lines and things like that.

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It did get a laugh.

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It seemed funnier in the cinema than it did on my solo viewing.

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Yeah, I think that's it.

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Look, actually, that's actually all we have time for today.

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We are going to keep these short.

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We'll try and get this up as soon as we can, and we'll publicise

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it, but you'll know that because you'll be listening to it if you

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hear this, and we'll try and get it up at a regular time every

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week during the series.

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So thank you very much for joining us, or as I really should say.

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Thank you very much for listening and good night.

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Good night.

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See you soon.

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The last time someone got something up and then publicised it, they

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got a radio show on 2GB, good night.